r/whowouldwin • u/WhatIsCooler • Apr 27 '25
Battle Simon The Digger vs White Lantern Kyle Rayner | (Gurren Lagann vs DC) Upcoming Death Battle
Just revealed in the latest Death Battle.
Who wins?
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER
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u/Elnino38 Apr 27 '25
Hoping for simon. Expecting Kyle as dc is the most wanked medium in battle boarding today and they almost never lose death battles to characters that aren't also from dc or occasionally marvel
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u/realsomalipirate Apr 27 '25
Marvel is just as bad as DC. Though jt might actually be worse because of the absurd amount of broken telepaths and magic users in the Marvel universe.
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u/King-of-fans Apr 28 '25
I wouldn’t say that.
They had booster gold, satana and Raven win their Marvel vs DC fights
When it comes to the mid and low tears it’s better to bet on Marvel. However, if it’s the high tiers, it’s better to bet on DC. However, fights like Nightwing vs daredevil, and martian Manhunter vs silver surfer are the exceptions to the rules.
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u/realsomalipirate Apr 28 '25
There are ridiculously broken characters in both universes (the X-Men alone have some of the most broken characters in all of comics) and it gets silly when you get past street tier characters for both. Honestly both high tier DC and Marvel characters are just dumb, at least when it comes to the battle community, and have so many stupid feats over the decades of comics.
Though for some reason people think DC has all of the worst/most broken characters and Marvel is more grounded in how they treat their characters above street tier.
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u/King-of-fans Apr 29 '25
I think it’s consistency vs outliers situation when it comes to marvel vs DC debates.
The marvel high tears are more consistent with their feats and the DC characters thanks to their few extra decades of publication were able to obtain a lot more notable outliers.
Plus, this is not even adding in the fact, Marvel characters have a lot more super geniuses on the heroes team then DC, so Marvel can perform more technological or strategic solutions to the big bads. Meanwhile, DC heroes have to perform more physical feats to overcome their big bads.
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u/Matt4669 Apr 28 '25
Marvel has a negative record against non-DC characters on Death Battle though, whereas they have a positive win-loss record against DC
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u/Practical-Ad-5007 Apr 27 '25
Man… Its always those damn lanterns. One thing to take away from this fight is that this will very likely be a sprite fight.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25 edited Apr 27 '25
I really thought this was going to be a season finale or something, considering how popular this match-up is. Damn, this is the most conflicted feeling I had for a Death Battle. On the 1 hand, Kyle Rayner is 1 of the very few DC characters I genuinely like. On the other hand, I really, really want DC to lose & I really, really hate the idea of 1 of the most beloved & powerful anime characters losing.
I think I'm gonna side with Simon on this one, really hate to do that to my Kyle, but it's way past time Death Battle humble a DC character. Man, why is it the only time I want a comic book character to win, it always has them against a beloved character? This keeps happening to me with Hulk & Ghost Rider VS Spawn.
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u/Lulcielid Apr 27 '25
but it's way past time Death Battle humble a DC character.
DB has humbled the BatGod three times though.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
NGL, even if the calcs were off (as far as I'm concerned they weren't), 1 of the earliest appeals of DB was seeing a fanbase getting humbled. That being said, I do kinda feel bad for Batman since they tend to lose whenever there's a VS matchup.
Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that they still need to regain a lot of credibility. Even though there's a bunch of bangers episode, they really need to make up for what they did with Omni-Man V Bardock & Kratos V Asura. They did the opposite of humbling & added way too much fuel about what's wrong with power scaling & vs battle discussion in general. And it doesn't change the fact that how OP the DC cosmic characters are in general so I would like to see one lose to a non-comic & non-Marvel character for once.
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u/SpiritedTechnician61 Apr 29 '25
Death Battle is not nor has it ever been about humbling fanbases, quite the contrary actually. Ben Singer (and others of the team) have multiple times stated that that is one of the negative consequences of what they do; argue against a certain franchise and as such make it seem like they are trying to belittle or undercut peoples appreciation for said franchise. Something the absolutely are not trying to do
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u/Numbuh24insane Apr 27 '25
Multiple DC characters have lost, a majority of the Batfamily, Black Adam, Deathstroke, Harley Quinn, Green Arrow, Lex Luthor, Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman and Atom have all lost.
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u/Stukapooka Apr 27 '25
Yeah but only one of those was to a non marvel character.
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u/Numbuh24insane Apr 27 '25
Tbf, most DC and Marvel match ups are between themselves, since fans of those media have a bit of a rivalry and it’s really easy to make match ups for that at guaranteed to get views.
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u/Stukapooka Apr 27 '25
Oh yeah I get it as they similar characters, company rivalry, and so on.
The thing is people have wanted a big name non marvel character to win against a big name dc character lately but a lot them get stomped into the dirt, granted most of those results are fair and then you have the really bad and controversial ones.
Simon is viewed as an anime powerhouse so unless he loses for valid reasons it's gonna be Ben vs Hal 2.0 if not worse.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25
The thing is people have wanted a big name non marvel character to win against a big name dc character lately but a lot them get stomped into the dirt, granted most of those results are fair and then you have the really bad and controversial ones.
This is really more or less what I was trying to say.
And again, I can not stop stress this enough, but they still have to a lot of work to do after the absolute debacle that was Omni-Man V Bardock & Kratos V Asura
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u/Stukapooka Apr 27 '25
Yeah these last three episodes have been a massive step up but Kratsura still pisses me off.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25
IDK if I personally would say "massive" but 1 of them was Spawn V Ghost Rider so I have no choice but to agree.
Anyway, I'm still really glad that they didn't make Doom Guy omniversal like Kratos, but with Doom Guy winning, it still gives this vibe that DB is just enabling & adding more fuel to guys like Kratos with high-wanking. That's why I brought up Omni-Man V Bardock, cuz it really felt like they were going the extra mile to humiliate Bardock with BS stats. To make this feeling even worse, I found out how infamous Kirkman has been about these VS Battles. Now I can't shake the feeling that Kirkman bribed Death Battle to make Nolan win.
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u/Shakusmadness Apr 28 '25
What, really? I'm out of the loop, what did Kirkman do?
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u/deprave1 Apr 28 '25
Nothing too serious or even controversial. It's just Kirkman being really really adamant about Invincible winning any match up for bias reasons & that's pretty much it.
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u/Numbuh24insane Apr 27 '25
They wanted that back when DC was on its winning streak and that was years ago.
People don’t care like that anymore because DC is no longer on that winning streak.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25
But you do see the issue here, right?
The implication that only Marvel can go up against DC is pretty annoying & after Death Battle explaining the DC & Marvel's cosmology pretty much assured that any other franchise & series can't even touch them. And I still doubt most of the characters are suddenly multi-universal buster like they keep saying they are.
Not to mention I seriously doubt every universe in Marvel & DC are contains its own multiverse within its own singular universe.
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u/royalneonbird Apr 28 '25
The implication that only Marvel can go up against DC is pretty annoying
I believe the implication isn't because "only Marvel can match DC" I think it's because DC has very few fights against non Marvel that people are glamoring to receive, so the show doesn't focus on them
Hulk is gonna have 3 battles, one against DC 2 against non-DC while also having more fights that people want without a DC opponent, while characters like Batman ( who is arguably 2x more popular than hulk) appeared 4 times all against marvel and if he appears again his most popular fights are also against marvel
That's mostly because Marvel is more popular in the last 15 years
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u/deprave1 Apr 28 '25
I believe the implication isn't because "only Marvel can match DC" I think it's because DC has very few fights against non Marvel that people are glamoring to receive, so the show doesn't focus on them
While this is a great point, if not a solid argument, I don't completely buy it. Not trying to move some conspiracy theory here, but Saint Seiya & He-Man exist. I don't see why they can't be used against either Marvel or DC. The last one was She-Ra vs WW & that was a while ago.
Hulk is gonna have 3 battles, one against DC 2 against non-DC while also having more fights that people want without a DC opponent, while characters like Batman ( who is arguably 2x more popular than hulk) appeared 4 times all against marvel and if he appears again his most popular fights are also against marvel
Please indulge me here as I go somewhat off-topic. I really really don't like the match up between Godzilla & Hulk. I know what they're going with here, but I'm not exactly too excited about the idea of Hulk pounding against a giant nuclear lizard flesh for at least 5 mins or so. I'd rather have Godzilla go up against Ultra Man & Hulk get his runback with Doomsday. IDK, maybe I'm wrong & it'll turn to be 1 of the best episode of this year.
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u/royalneonbird Apr 28 '25
but Saint Seiya & He-Man exist. I don't see why they can't be used against either Marvel or DC.
I believe that the next master of the universe fight will probably be skeletor vs Zed since this fight had 2 DBCAST
And im pretty sure they just don't know much or don't care much for Saint Seiya judging by how they talked about it in a death battle cast, they have a very USA centric fanbase to please otherwise we probably would have some Kamen rider or saint seiya victory over a DC characters already
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u/Numbuh24insane Apr 27 '25
I don’t really agree with you at all.
You just seem jaded and annoyed honestly, more than anything else. We have seen comic ‘heralds’ lose, such as Ghost Rider and Hulk, and we have seen DC Heralds lose to Marvel characters such as Martian Manhunter and Black Adam.
If you decide to scale them accordingly, then you can easily see characters outside of Marvel and Dc that can defeat them.
But it sounds more to me that you’re not interested in that.
Instead you’re Ahab searching for his whale, you’re looking for something to bring people down instead of something that can uplift other things. Your goal is rooted in negativity rather than positivity.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25
If you decide to scale them accordingly, then you can easily see characters outside of Marvel and Dc that can defeat them.
Something DB is more than guilty of doing, but you seem to be more interested in ridiculing me instead of actually having a conversation. So I already can see where this is going.
I've given plenty of praise to DB before, hell, I've said this was a good episode. It doesn't change the fact that DB has only given more fuel to what they've been ridiculed for over a decade now.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25
IDK if that's all the DC characters lost over the decade, but I'm not saying they've never lost.
And honestly, I'm not entirely sure if Black Adam should've even lost to Apocalypse, but I'm not up to date with X-Men these days. Wond Woman should never have lost to Rogue, but I showed a lot of leniency cuz that was their 3rd episode of the series.
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u/SpiritedTechnician61 Apr 29 '25
This fight is surprisingly simple actually. I realize that is a strange even absurd thing to say but the fact that both characters have the literal power of imagination and both are esentially limitless in what they can do, means that neither of those things are factors in this fight. Sure we could argue about who is stronger until the sun burns up (my money is in Kyle) but anyway you slice it, that is unlikely to be the deciding factor as both can just increase their power to match the other.
The important thing to look at is weaknesses. Kyle has demostrated very few weaknesses and even fewer that can be exploited in a fight where as Simon has shown several flaws that can be taken advantage of in combat. Simons powers are, much like Kyles, tied to his emotions but unlike Kyle, Simon has shown that he is unable to effectively use his powers in a state of emotional stress. Excessive anger, sadness, doubt or fear will make Simons powers unpredictable and in extreme cases will shut his powers down completely. Unfortunatly for Simon, Kyle is uniquely equipped to exploit this as he has complete command over the emotional spectrum and can change others emotions.
Another key things is time limit. Simon cannot use his powers if he is drained of energy (such as being exhausted or hungry). This is important because we know that fighting someone on his level of power will quickly tire him out. At most, if he had to exert himself, Simon could keep fighting for 1 maybe a couple of hours. Kyle on the other hand can use his powers unhindered for 24 hours straight without recharging his ring, giving him an enormous edge over Simon.
Simon is a beast and one of the crispiest characters ever, but if I wanted Simon dead, Kyle Rayner is who I would hire as he seems (to me) to be the absolute perfect counter
Sorry didn't mean to wall of text :/
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u/Zessatsu May 25 '25
Also Kyle as a creator of comics should be able to realize when Simon is going to get a power up
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u/UnknownJ25 Apr 27 '25
They need to be throwing galaxies and crap the scale needs to be absurd. Rooting for my boy Simon even though Heralds will Herald
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u/Tarvish_ Apr 28 '25
Iirc those “galaxies” were supposed to be universes, it’s just that the animators didn’t know how to portray a universe differently from a galaxy so that’s how it ended up looking.
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u/TrueFire398 Apr 28 '25
Simon should win. He basically dealt with all of Kyle's tricks from Anti Spiral and just no sold everything. His whole gimmick is doing the impossible no matter how powerful the opposition. Plus his power is entirely innate while Kyle is reliant on a tool that can run out of juice. The scale of his attacks are also too crazy like punching giant mecha out of reality in one of the lower forms and attacking every point in space and time simultaneously with probability altering cosmic sized missiles far before STTGL level.
Best chance Kyle has is if they give him full Life Equation mastery which doesn't work for multiple reasons
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u/AccomplishedWest9210 Apr 27 '25
Kyle is a DC character so he's going to neg anyway.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25
See, this is what I'm talkin about, right here. Just the fact that Kyle is associated with DC means the battle is in his favor.
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u/MoonSentinel95 Apr 28 '25
Simon should be taking this easily. I know white lanterns are busted none of them ain't unifying themselves across the entire multiverse, creating universe spanning mech with pure energy, throw around universes like frisbee discs, tanking the energy of the big bang, escaping from a multiversal prison.
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u/Matt4669 Apr 28 '25
Funny you mention Big Bang, because Kyle did contain the Big Bang with the White Lantern ring once
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u/MoonSentinel95 Apr 28 '25
He contained it with the ring. Simon took it to the face and yanked the energy of creation itself.
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u/deprave1 Apr 27 '25
Yea, it'll probably be an even bigger outrage than Kratos V Asura.
Hell, I can even see that being an even bigger outburst than Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan
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u/respectthread_bot Apr 27 '25
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u/JohnBrownEnthusiast Apr 27 '25
Simon with his megazord?
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u/MoonSentinel95 Apr 28 '25
I mean he created the final Gurren Lagann with pure spiral energy when they were throwing universes around in the fight against Anti spiral.
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u/No-Swan-1713 Apr 29 '25
I really don't know how but death battle always knows how to piss me off
They Lied about their fight between spawn v Ghost rider, omni man v bardok(i spelled his name wrong), and asura v kratos Considering that they were giving those 3 ""winners"" feats that they didn't even have And inflated the Ego of all the fan boys
Now they want to have Kyle rayner who is now a white lantern fight against someone that was originally a homeless kid that eventually fought basically God in the most unorthodox ever
Simon's Best feet was When he turned into super tengen topa he got the power to toss around Galaxy's and during his clash with the anti spiral, there was so much power behind it that it could be seen from the outside of the observable universe Here's the catch that he didn't do that on his own and he can't do it on his own And even then, how the hell do you classify that shit in the first place? Because when everyone beat anti spiral it was never with logic Or reasoning hell anti spiral was the embodiment of an logic and reasoning (compared to them at least), and yet it still lost But the craziest part is technically anti spiral was nerfed the whole time It was not as strong as it could have been during that entire fight
The only thing you need to know about Kyle is that as a Green Lantern. Originally he was able to stop a big bamf That was coming from the fucking anti monitor That thread the weapon of the multiverse And now he has the power of all of the fucking lanterns combined. Shit like this is why I hate DC because they hate the idea of having the character that they made lose to Marvel Or anime but they can't come up with a decent idea or how to make the character somewhat enjoyable
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u/FatherEnricoPucciOh Apr 27 '25
The Lanterns are singlehandedly going to cause all of the biggest controversy in Death Battle.