Leftists March in DC Today Against Tyranny 🇺🇸🚩

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[u/Ok_Recipe12]

what is a "leftist" at this point? can someone tell me?

[u/serious_bullet5 → u/Ok_Recipe12]

supporting left-wing political parties and left-wing philosophical ideals

[u/Flossonero14 → u/serious_bullet5]

There’s only two political factions at this point. Fascist and pro democracy. Respectfully , any other nomenclature at this point is divisive and counterproductive.

[u/Old_Manager6555 → u/Flossonero14]

Yup.

Keep it simple and stick together. Not the time to sweat the small stuff of precise definitions.

[u/Flossonero14 → u/[deleted]]

So high up on that horse you can’t see what I wrote? The word party does not feature in my comment. Factions here refer to different members of the electorate, not elected politicians. Try engaging in good faith instead of being snarky and pedantic.

[u/FarLength6980 → u/Flossonero14]

I’m sorry, I thought you were talking about the Democraric and Republican parties.

[u/Flossonero14 → u/FarLength6980]

All good. I get the frustration with “establishment” Dems. You’re right about that. But I am with the people right now who believe you have to allow for wide latitude in policy positions within the 50501 coalition. Enemy of my enemy and all that…

[u/Flossonero14 → u/[deleted]]

Actually classical liberalism holds that individuals possess inherent natural rights that the government cannot infringe upon. It’s the bedrock principle for every single western democracy. Classical liberalism contrasts with modern liberalism, which generally supports more extensive government involvement in economic and social matters to ensure positive rights, such as education, healthcare, and a minimum wage. Liberalism and fascism are fundamentally opposing political philosophies. You’re probably referring to the theory that certain aspects of liberal capitalist societies, such as the use of state power to protect property and the potential for liberal rhetoric to mask exploitative practices, can create conditions that might allow for the rise of fascist movements. The idea that democracies can devolve into authoritarian forms of government is not new, and predates capitalism by thousands of years.

While theoretical communism aims for a stateless, classless society, the practical implementation of communism has historically resulted in one-party rule by a Communist party, which functions as a dictatorship, characterized by state control of the economy, suppressed political opposition, and limitations on freedoms.

Liberalism as a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law, is still the best basis from which to build civil society.

[u/averageuserbob → u/Flossonero14]

Backing an ethnostate is pretty fascistic.

[u/Flossonero14 → u/averageuserbob]

Japan, India, Russia, South Korea and even Poland are widely consider mono ethnic and therefore fit the definition of an ethno state.

[u/averageuserbob → u/Flossonero14]

Yes. As is Israel, all can be bad to varying degrees.

[u/Flossonero14 → u/averageuserbob]

So support of Poland, or South Korea in your opinion is fascistic? That term gets used a lot but it has a specific academic definition. A fascist state is characterized by ultranationalism, a dictatorial leader with a cult of personality, a centralized autocratic government, militarism and paramilitarism, and the forcible suppression of opposition and individual rights. There could conceivably be a totally ethno religious state such as some people claim Israel is, and that still wouldn’t make it fascist necessarily.

**Israel’s current government is getting real faschy right now tho!

[u/averageuserbob → u/Flossonero14]

Denial is not a good look.

[u/Flossonero14 → u/averageuserbob]

Not even sure what that means. Edgy platitudes are a worse look. Have a good night.

[u/Flossonero14 → u/averageuserbob]

Point is friend that it’s important to understand the terms we use. But whats more important right now is that whatever your specific policy positions may be, if you’re against the fascist takeover of our government, then we’re on the same side. We have a lot of work to do before we can return to the salad days of debating “policy”, as it were. Bed time. Peace.

[u/averageuserbob → u/Flossonero14]

If you aren’t willing to call out a fascistic government that has been fascistic since its inception, then you are not my ally. You are just a fascist in a different hat.

[u/Flossonero14 → u/averageuserbob]

I don’t even know whom you’re speaking about at this point because you have done such a poor job articulating your position. I’ll assume you’re talking about the US. You’ll find no argument here that the US has never, not once, lived up to the ideals on which its founded. However that doesn’t mean the ideals are flawed, it means humans are flawed. To call “liberals” fascist with a different hat is provocative indeed, but it’s intellectually disingenuous and plainly untrue.

[u/averageuserbob → u/Flossonero14]

I’m talking about Israel, how it has had an ethnosupremacist ideology since its inception, and has been actively doing an ethnic cleansing since the Nakba. How liberals to this day still support the fascistic ideology that they believe. Zionism is fascism, liberals support fascism actively, are paid by fascists, and work against their voter base at the behest of fascists. They are fascists, just with a different hat than the MAGA cult.