r/50501 • u/Remarkable-Bag-683 • 2d ago
GA I know many are posting about Trump possibly being dead, but…..
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u/Lz_erk 2d ago
the only thing i see in trump's future is decay. if he dies before a reckoning, he gets to take most of it with him. the coup is older than his involvement in politics, to say the least.
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u/Classic-Progress-397 1d ago
A conundrum that Fascism always faces-- to have a "dear leader" figure, you have to eliminate any opposition within your own party. When the leader dies, there are just a bunch of weak sycophants bickering. Its a self-limiting political movement. The only question is, how much harm can they cause before eating themselves?
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u/Single_Principle_972 1d ago
Nobody is going to have the same cult-appeal as he does, fortunately. Things will continue to be fucked up, no doubt, but the hero-worship for our Dear Leader would not continue the same, I wouldn’t think.
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u/Ryboticpsychotic 1d ago
I never thought veterans would suck the balls of a silver spoon draft dodger, but here we are.
I’m not entirely confident republicans won’t get on their knees for donut boy.
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u/Pirateangel113 1d ago
I have a feeling it won't go away. I have a feeling a lot of people are missing something. The Internet ai machine that Peter Thiel and his cohorts will just make Vance more charismatic than he actually is. The entire fake news ecosystem will crown him king and they will do everything in their power to make him seem charismatic.
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u/originalcondition 1d ago
I think you’re correct, and unless it occurs very suddenly (which is entirely possible), they’re going to soft-launch a Vance presidency: Trump steps down (“so responsible of him!! So noble, so dignified, so humble!!”) and hands the reins to Vance so that Vance has Trump’s “blessing” to take over, retaining as many followers as possible.
The only thing I’m really hoping for is that Trump’s fear of prosecution in the Epstein scandal keeps him from ever willingly handing over power. But if he kicks it suddenly, I suspect there will be a ghost-written message of blessing passed on to the Vance presidency. It would be less effective but I’d guess it’d still work on many of those who have stuck with him up to this point.
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u/TreatAffectionate453 1d ago
It's doubtful that Trump would voluntarily hand the reins to Vance. The man's ego is too large for him to relinquish control to anyone else. He also purposefully pits his underlings against one another. I think it's more likely that he follows Alexander the Great's example and intentionally ignites a civil war among his sycophants with his last words.
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u/Old_Manager6555 1d ago
Another possibility is Donald will turn on Vance, sort of the way he turned on Elon. I suspect Elon started getting too big for his boots, knowing Predator Trump is an imbecile and having an idea of how deep the doodoo is around Epstein, he may have started making Donald feel inferior. So bye bye Elon
Vance may start feeling more powerful, being Theil's boy king, making him too big for his boots as he sees Donald disintegrating, but Demented Don will not allow him to take over. I have a horrible feeling that maga might accept Barron as a replacement. (As long as Barron has been brainwashed into it). Maga sees through Don Jr as a wannabe ‘real man’, But Barron is different. And Melania will control him. And the Epstein connection will stay in the vault.
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u/FatherPeace1 1d ago
Baron would still be too young to be president unless we are switched to a monarchy, which I think is a possibility
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u/meliffy18 1d ago
If 47 hand over power to Vance instead of kicking the bucket, we need to rile up MAGA the way they tried to do when Harris was announced as the presidential candidate: “don’t you feel CHEATED out of a vote? You didn’t vote for Vance, you voted for Trump! That’s not democracy, your vote didn’t count.” They’re so dumb they’d eat it up
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u/Revolutionary_Bee588 Indiana 2d ago
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u/Admirable_Tear_1438 1d ago
JD killed the pope. He can never be a Christ figure.
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u/broberds 1d ago
Yeah but rednecks don’t think Catholics are Christians.
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u/SwampyPortaPotty 1d ago
Dated a girl like that. But the things we did together would make God weep.
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u/pirate-private 1d ago
by all means, enioy each other as long as it's mutual.
religion would make god weep, unless he's an idiotic asshole.
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u/PsykickPriest 1d ago
Fairly recent history of the KKK, they hated Catholics nearly as much as Blacks. They would always say they don’t want to take orders from Rome. They don’t like the idea of a Pope. I think many rednecks who consider themselves Christians are today happy to align with Catholics (esp. if they’re white), to be against Muslims, Hindus, Jews, or whoever’s bothering them on any particular day.
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u/reppuhnw 1d ago
Why is that? I’m an atheist so I genuinely don’t know why that is and I want to understand. For reasons of course. 😏
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u/Cherry_Noble 1d ago
Can confirm, grew up in southern Bible Belt. Catholicism was for immigrants or to perform secret witchcraft.
And the reasoning explained to me by my southern Baptist preacher uncle as a child was that praying to Mary was blasphemy, and many other things the Catholic Church does was akin to "occult ritual." Baptising babies was especially heinous, they must CHOOSE to accept Jesus before they could baptized, a baby has no choice.
Meanwhile, he danced with snakes at undercover retreats to "test his faith in god" so... you know, just pick and choose what's acceptable, as usual.
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u/blareboy 1d ago
I can only speak for the redneck Mormons I grew up with, but Joseph Smith detested Catholicism. The Book of Mormon called the Catholic church “great and abominable” and the “whore of Babylon”. Catholic kids in my high school were ostracized. I wish I’d stood up for them.
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u/reppuhnw 1d ago
So did this person have influence then to literally just state an opinion and other people were just like “yeah that tracks, I’m going to be hateful because of one persons opinion?”
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u/blareboy 1d ago
Short answer: yes. He exploited people’s desire for elitism. The fastest way to make someone feel special is to convince them that others are not. That’s how most cults are built.
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u/hyperRed13 1d ago
For clarification, Joseph Smith was the founder of the Mormon/LDS faith, author of the Book of Mormon, and claimed he spoke with God, Jesus, and an angel, so he's not just "some guy" to Mormons. He's considered a prophet who spoke on behalf of God, so his opinions would be God's opinions.
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u/ButterMyPancakesPlz 1d ago
Fundamentalist Christians have created American Jesus, he looks a lot more like Trump. It messes with their logic to think Jesus was about honesty, empathy and forgiveness because they operate in a world of hypocrisy and punishment. Catholic socialism is a threat to their sanctimonious "god is on our side" grift. There's a lot of preachers and leaders making a lot of money and they aren't gonna let some little blip on the map in Italy keep that grift from growing. Guess it's kinda come full circle because the Vatican didn't get that rich by prayer alone either.
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u/Ok-Albatross1291 1d ago edited 1d ago
They give vague reasons about Revelation talking about the whore of Babylon being the Catholic Church, but the real reason is that Americans are obsessed with individualism and Catholicism is a communal religion as opposed to a DIY religion like Protestantism.
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u/Remarkable-Bag-683 2d ago
But does his administration even need his followers anymore? They’re already in power, they could just say to hell with every underling, maga or not and make America a living hell
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u/Revolutionary_Bee588 Indiana 2d ago
Once the followers turn, the executive won’t control the legislature… which is where Trump’s power is coming from. If JD takes over and doesn’t have a strong hold on the cult, things will fall apart for the Heritage Foundation plan.
The cult followers really do need a cult leader to worship for it to all work. No one in MAGA thinks JD is worthy of worship.
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u/ChiefHippoTwit 1d ago
100%. This IS a cult completely built on a cult of personality - Trump. No one else can run it. Forget Vance, Elon, Desantis, or anyone else. It all collapses like a house of cards if he passes. Although they will try.
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u/timesink2000 1d ago
The trying part will be interesting to watch, though living through it may well suck.
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u/ChiefHippoTwit 1d ago
Absolutely but also entertaining to watch them desperately try to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
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u/TheObstruction 1d ago
The only reason Trump is president again is because MAGA refused to support anyone who wasn't Trump, even before he officially announced his 2024 run. The only support any of them got was from non-MAGA Republicans, and they were far too split. The cult is Trump, it's always been Trump, and it'll always be Trump. The GOP may try to get one of his kids to run, but I don't see even that working.
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u/porqueuno 1d ago edited 1d ago
They know this, and that's why they're going to use GenAI to create an immortal digital avatar of Trump for the unwashed masses to worship forever while Vance, Thiel, and others tied to the Network State make the actual policy decisions and run things in the background. The digital puppet provides bread and circuses to the cultists who would otherwise turn against them.
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u/OrigamiMarie 1d ago
Yup. Trump tells the legislators what to do because he can get them primaried by his cult followers. Vance hopefully won't have such a rabid following, so the electorate will have more effect on their legislators.
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u/StandardRedditor456 1d ago
Vance is a Yes Man, not any kind of leader. He's spineless (his wife has more balls than him), dumb, zero charisma, and brainless. He's the perfect puppet but the masses don't fear and adore him, which is why trump's power held.
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u/pinelandpuppy 1d ago
It's his handlers you have to worry about. He's as much a puppet as Diaper Donny.
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u/lost_horizons 1d ago
Governments rule by the consent of the governed. That’s just how it goes. I’m not saying it’ll be revolution and uprising, but the masses have to go along willingly, (even if coerced). No government survives a loss of the people’s confidence.
And even MAGA, they are the supposed patriots and all for freedom and such. Once their messiah is gone, and that spell is broken, are going to be a lot less willing.
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u/ChicaFrom408 1d ago
But the people on the streets are fighting back. Ice ain't shit without their daddy trump.
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u/Tanya7500 1d ago
He had a 20 ft fence installed around the white house because he is a pussy! His gold white house shit is plastic sold at Home Depot! Gaudy and ugly af just like himself. Some people say some women have no standards if the wallet is big enough!
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u/start_select 2d ago
Everyone said the same thing about Nixon, Reagan, the bush’s.
Everyone said the same thing about 2016, and Jan 6, and election 2024. Everyone is continually shocked that nothing stops the cult. But it’s not Trump. Its heritage foundation.
They just need to gridlock blue regions with ICE checkpoints on Election Day. They don’t need to stop the election or rig it. They just need checkpoints at highways and bridges that make rush hour last until 9pm. Then no one makes the polls and gerrymandering fixes the outcome.
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u/WizeAdz 1d ago
That’s why I vote early.
Well that and the fact that I usually work on Tuesdays.
Early voting is great!
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u/start_select 1d ago
And that’s why they are trying to make absentee and early voting illegal.
Everyone is acting like that’s impossible. Nothing is impossible. Look outside. Revolutionary War, a civil war, and World Wars couldn’t stop the US from having access to international postage.
Republicans just broke the international postage system for the US yesterday. Only private freight is shipping from 20+ major countries. Republicans did it without a single fight. Just tariffs.
The impossible becomes possible every day.
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u/Songbird_Storyteller 1d ago
Well, they can't exactly make it illegal, since the states run their elections, not the federal government. But what they CAN do is make it as difficult, cumbersome, annoying, intimidating or just as generally as much of a pain in the ass to vote as humanly possible. And we're already seeing them trying that.
That's why Newsom's push to gerrymander on the blue side and all these left-leaning local election wins like Mamdani and Seattle's mayor and that judge election that Elon tried and failed to influence are so important. In order to take back our government, we need a strong political foundation to build off of. The Republican party understood that, that's why their political project from Reagan to now has focused so much on local politics and it's why they've been winning and are now feeling bold enough to proclaim it.
The question you've got to ask yourself is, has the American Left and the center-right leaning Democratic Party learned this lesson well enough to, as you put it, "make the impossible become possible?" I still think it's too early to tell, but I'll take the good signs and good news where I can find it, and the local/regional leftist wins and Newsom's aggressive posturing in the gerrymander conflicts both seem to me to be at least a somewhat encouraging sign. There's still a lot of mileage left to go in this marathon however, so I would agree that we can't let ourselves get too complacent.
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u/roytay 1d ago
I understand the concerns about Vance, but I am so tired of Trump that I'm ready to take the chance.
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u/AppointmentScared132 1d ago
But when he does pass, will they tell us? And how long will the ruse be successful
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u/KnewAllTheWords 1d ago
Vance will never hold MAGA together. It's a cult of personality. But that doesn't mean the people will get their country back without a fight. The regime intends to end democracy no matter which stooge is in charge
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u/Piccolo-Significant 2d ago
JD isn't worse, he has none of Trump's charisma and the same shit policies. He'll be hated even more than he is now.
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u/Top_Rekt 2d ago
Also MAGA will turn on him and claim he killed Trump. He already killed the pope, and he said some shit yesterday. Dude is just red flagging himself.
And also there will definitely be a power vacuum. A lot of them are going to try and take Trump's place but they are all going to fracture and turn against each other.
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u/cindysyrup 2d ago edited 1d ago
THIS. The power vacuum and people shitting themselves and on each other to pull their heads out of his necrotic booty hole.
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u/ApprehensiveStand456 2d ago
Trump’s kids would also try to jump in, maybe even Musk.
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u/MartyMcMort 1d ago
Plus all the other politicians like Cruz, Desantis and Graham (to just name a few). The struggle to be the new MAGA leader is gonna be a bloodbath
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u/Bignholy 1d ago
I noticed that Trump's kids have not been particularly involved like they were first term, where they were prominent parts of the grift machine. I half wonder if they are trying to avoid being part of the current admin specifically so if Daddy dies they can try to step into his shoes. Except they have no charisma either, so good luck, kids.
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u/Overall_Equivalent26 1d ago
Musk can't legally serve as president but when does law stop fascists
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u/porqueuno 1d ago
With the amount of effort they put into Project 2025 and the awareness of Trump's voterbase, what makes you think they haven't already accounted for this eventuality? Just because the Dems are too dense and hardheaded to organize or plan more than two steps ahead doesn't mean the other oligarchs are.
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u/VastPerspective6794 1d ago
Omg— you are sooo right?! How the f was there not a detailed opposition plan to P25?!?!?? I’m an independent because I loathe the two party system but I vote for the party that supports women and democracy and I’m dumbfounded and infuriated by the lackluster Dem response.
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u/sharkbait_oohaha 2d ago
I definitely won't be spreading that idea to every maga that I see if the thing actually happened. No siree.
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u/Nodivingallowed 2d ago
What if Vance were to do something like release all the Trump-related Epstein files?
He hates Trump anyway, and I wonder if doing that wouldn't deal a death blow to the cult while gaining sufficient support under his new brand.
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u/Cyaral 1d ago
Yeah thats the good part. Over the course of history often an enigmatic figurehead/leader dying caused a power vacuum or at least a scramble for power - which splits their supporter base and weakens them in infighting. It wont magically fix everything, but it does provide an opening to try to improve things/fix at least parts.
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u/Lucibeanlollipop 1d ago
Yeah, but there was what, 30 years between Stalin and Gorbachev? And in less than 20, they were right back where they started from with the current Stalinist dictator
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u/Accomplished_Vast574 2d ago
Totally agree! It'd be like a reality show, but instead of drama, we just get chaos and infighting. Can't wait to see it.
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u/CosmoKramerRiley 2d ago
I hope you're right. I've thought the same thing, but I also thought there was no way Trump woud be elected again so my track record isn't great.
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u/FilibusterFerret 1d ago
That's where I am. I have no hope that America magically becomes the only country ever to pull it's head out of its fascist a$$. I would love to believe that Trump dies and JD becomes an embattled lame duck. But Fox News will tell the cult that JD is their new God and I believe they will pivot in lock step.
I also think that the support of Peter Thiel will help JD hold the cabinet together and prevent infighting. Thiel is a scary dude and I think he has more power than we give him credit. I think he's got dirt on all of them and Palantir is embedded everywhere.
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u/NoHalf9 1d ago
Some further information on Peter "I want to publicly tell you that I'm not a vampire" Thiel which does not like being exposed as a vampire. He does not however shy away from exposing himself as a hard authoritarian:
"Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." - Peter Thiel, 2009
although also cosplaying as a libertarian when it suits him and likely would orgasm if ending up with a society as described in the Libertarian Police Department story.
He has also in true libertarian spirit attempted to fund development of some free floating offshore project called Seasteading that should be some libertarian utopia without any kind of governance with building or safety regulations or any such pesky "freedom stealing" things that a normal society needs to function.
The podcast Behind the bastards had two episodes about it:
- Part one: The not-at-all-sad history of libertarian sea nations
- Part two: The not-at-all-sad history of libertarian sea nations
This project is possibly the least harmful thing Peter has done, since it has has drained him for a lot of money that he cannot use for other evil things, and the people scammed are other libertarian fools.
But do not think that libertarians are not able to harm! I guess the closest thing to a successful attempt to creating a libertarian utopia is when a bunch of libertarians decided to move and try to take over some smaller town Grafton in New Hampshire as a "Free Town Project" (later changed to "Free State Project"), and ruined it with their reckless governance.
Like for instance getting rid of public garbage collection. And with no mandatory garbage collection, of course they got problems with wild bears walking around peoples' houses (in addition to some idiots deliberately feeding wild bears, but hey in a libertarian society nobody should be able to force people to stop doing what they want...).
There is a book about it with title "A libertarian walks into a bear".
J.D. Vance is one of Peter's ultra-right Thielists. There is a video Who is Peter Thiel? (in German but with English subtitles available) from two years ago that goes into who Peter is and what he have done, and J.D. Vance is covered as part of that.
Another noteworthy mention is that Some more news also included J.D. Vance in their video Peter Thiel and his dorky little goons from one year ago. Some more news is truly amazing in both the depth and the volume they produce. Hats off for them.
Additional BtB episodes on Peter Thiel:
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u/captainthanatos 1d ago
I don’t think things will be fixed or be better overnight, but they will be significantly easier to fix. Trump and his cult are literally the only thing in the way. Once he’s gone even some of his base will turn on Republicans for not fixing things fast enough.
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u/Lzy_nerd 2d ago
He is worse in terms of politics, dude is fully bought by the techno-feudalist wack jobs in silicon valley. Still he does have the charisma of a couch, fucker, so it’s better in the end.
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u/halfpint51 1d ago
Worse imo because he's intelligent as well as diabolical. In so many ways Trump is a buffoon. JD is a deeply angry, misogynistic, self-dealing, twisted dictator. Fascist to the core. That said, I think he'll be easier to bring down.
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u/BigHeadDeadass 1d ago
I think people vastly overestimate the intelligence of people like Vance. He's scary but he's not like some mastermind, nor are his techno-fascist backers. They're short sighted opportunists
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u/lonnie123 1d ago
Vance is not “diabolical”
He is a smooth talking, question avoiding politician like the million before him. He doesn’t have the instincts trump has, the love of cruelty, the thirst for revenge, and the love from the people that allows him to get away with it all
Zero percent chance Vance instituted the tariffs like Trump did for example. And if he did the right would revolt because it’s such an obvious tax on American people… but Trump can get away with it because he’s trump.
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u/DaetheFancy 2d ago edited 2d ago
This one. I follow a cult expert, basically Trump stole the heritage foundation cult, and turned it into a cult of personality. When Trump goes, the cult likely falls apart because there is no leader (even if he was only the mouthpiece for HF).
She talks about this kind of thing regularly, between military subtle protests we saw at the “birthday parade” to other resistance in Congress and the courts.
Edit: the creator is Daniella Mestynanek Young. She has a book (uncultured) on her experience growing up in a religious cult, then The army. She was one of the first female officers, and she has a LOT of good insight due to her experience. She’s on TT and other socials as ”the knitting cult lady”
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u/serafina_flies 1d ago
My main concern is Vance’s backers… he doesn’t need charisma or a cult following to carry out the will of Thiel and company 😬
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u/sharona-e 1d ago
I’m not sure their agenda will be successful without trump. He is the one who everyone is afraid of, and who MAGA loves. Without him <hopefully> congress goes back to doing their jobs. Vance is widely unliked, even among the Republican Party. He can’t threaten anyone the way trump can.
I know they picked Vance as their backup tool but I don’t think he has the goods to produce for them.
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u/caligaris_cabinet 1d ago
Dictatorships - especially in times of succession- require support of backers. Thiel and company can only carry him so far. We saw what MAGA can do when Trump’s alive and lost an election. What happens when he dies and Vance is left holding the ball?
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u/ZenDeathBringer 1d ago
Personally I predict MAGA blaming Vance for Trump's policies and how difficult it's made their lives.
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u/NeuroSam 2d ago
Ooo who is this creator / where can I find them?
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u/DaetheFancy 2d ago
Daniella mestynanek young. She has a book on her experience growing up in a religious cult, the. The army. She was one of the first female officers, and she has a LOT of good insight due to her experience. She’s on TT and other socials as ”the knitting cult lady”
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u/nycdiveshack 2d ago
The choice is simple, trumps base will always pick a republican over a dem and that will always be the only choice they have.
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u/Specific-Pass-5167 2d ago
I'm afraid this is the sad truth. They rarely cross the far-right line b/c they have no critical thinking skills.
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u/caligaris_cabinet 1d ago
Yes but will they turn out? That’s the real question. Right now Republican turnout for anyone but Trump is incredibly low. He really needs to be on the ticket for people to vote. Even endorsements don’t seem to work. Republican voters like him not a generic Republican and Vance is about as generic as they come.
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u/nycdiveshack 1d ago
Turn out?
In 2009 the heritage foundation with the help of the Sinclair group and Koch brothers spread one message to their base. You are losing your identity, if you want to keep it then just do one simple thing, vote red no matter what. Vote red in local/county/council/board/distrcit/township/city/state/federal elections (I don’t know what the elections are called when folks vote for judges/law enforcement and certain administrative positions in the local level).
The base did that and they saw results, they were told we will take away the identity of the libs so they don’t take away your identity. So now we have to do the same but on another level.
3 groups of people I blame in this order, 1st are anyone and everyone that voted for Trump (but let’s be honest we could have avoided Peter Thiel if Google hadn’t caved to backlash in 2018/2019 which created a very specific vacuum when they removed their software in the U.S. intelligence community that Peter filled with Palantir), 2nd group are all the US citizens that could have voted but didn’t or voted 3rd party and the 3rd group are the elderly in politics who just cared about maintaining the status quo (regardless of party) which allowed tech oligarchs and investment firms like Cantor Fitzgerald to swoop in and take over heritage foundation and push the Sinclair group however specifically in the elderly I blame Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. They had over 8 years to find a new and young person to primary and unite the Dems behind but they wanted the status quo so they pushed Biden till it was too late then pushed Kamala for who I voted for but would have preferred Pete Buttigieg and Stacey Abrams.
So we now can’t rely on the elderly Dems, we have to rely on each other and run in all those elections I mentioned above or have someone you know run in them. Primary the Dems and run against all republicans. The other thing is and it won’t happen till the majority of Americans daily lives are affected by all this which is protest in the tens of millions. The heritage foundation wrote up project 2025 and the executive orders to make sure it didn’t affect the majority of Americans till it was too late.
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u/mickeltee 1d ago
I agree that he won’t be worse in terms of electability, but he is going to have 3 years to do some seriously heinous stuff.
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u/Danominator 2d ago
The power trump has is because his voters project so much. Idk if anybody in the gop can capture that since they do sometimes have coherent thoughts on things
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u/Hot-Adhesiveness-438 1d ago
It will give MAGA an easy out to get mad because the orange idol would be gone and they 'didnt vote for him'.
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u/I-am-Chubbasaurus 1d ago
I get what you mean, but at the same time I just want to scream: WHAT CHARISMA????
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u/James4theP 1d ago
They gonna use him as a way of exiting saying its all his fault. Vance will become their Biden.
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u/this_place_suuucks 1d ago
While not "worse," per se, he still would hold the oval office and be used as a puppet. He likely would be more quietly fascist, which would probably be worse.
At least Tramp pridefully boasts about his malignantly evil acts on social media, giving us causes to rally against. Janice Dance will speedrun our downfall from behind closed doors, after faking several posts of undying (lol) support for himself from Tramp's accounts.
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u/therealzue 2d ago
He also isn’t an imminent risk of running for a third term and killing off yet another chunk of your constitution. Congress may not give him complete free rein like they’ve given Trump. He’s a problem, but not as big of a problem.
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u/Disastrous_Trip3137 2d ago
The video of him ordering donuts will forever be one of those moments that made me realise. Peter theil wasted that 40 million xD
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u/deNET2122 2d ago
We also know his kryptonite he hates the fatJD memes
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u/Disastrous_Trip3137 2d ago
I seen someone else say trumps corpse would win re election over vance ☠️
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u/memesfromthevine 1d ago
I disagree. He does not need charisma, nor does he need to be liked. Trump's approval is at historic lows. The coup has already happened, and weak leaders are just fine under authoritarian governments.
He may not be as effective as trump, but i don't think it's all going to fall apart. Things could actually get very bad, very fast without a "strongman" to make the loyalists feel safe.
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u/Upstairs-Egg 2d ago
Vance is a joke, even Trump tweeted out a fat Vance meme. Trump ceasing to exist will be like the clouds parting 🙏 Things can start to heal once that boil is excised from the planet
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u/Remarkable-Bag-683 2d ago
Do you think it’s likely that MAGA will flip flop and suddenly love Vance if Trump dies? I mean they all hated Elon musk for the electric car stuff, but then loved him out of nowhere when he said he is “dark maga”
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u/throwaway997745 1d ago
They didn’t love him because he said he is “dark maga”. They loved him because Trump told them to.
You can’t expect these people to act logically or rationally. The rules that govern how normal, sane individuals think don’t apply to base where a large percentage of them exhibit fantastical, illogical, or conspiratorial thinking.
They’ve proven time and time again it’s not about what he does or says, but about who he is. It’s a cult of personality. Vance has nowhere near the same appeal to these people as Trump does. There will be many different actors chomping at the bit to replace him. I personally don’t see any of them hitting all of the right spots to slide in there.
I do see slimy weasels like Stephen Miller trying to make him into a quasi mythological figure in order to try and control the base because he would kill his own mother for more control and power of people.
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u/Viral_Poster 2d ago
JD doesn’t carry the fear factor. The GOP in congress would likely have a stiffer spine because they won’t get the same death threats and shit that Trump’s goons provide. That’s my optimistic view.
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u/Remarkable-Bag-683 2d ago
That’s a good point. I know the GOP doesn’t fear Vance, but I’m wondering if they fear these Nazi goons in the administration
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u/Quick_Assignment_725 2d ago
I don't think most MAGA will follow Vance. He would need the ability to lie constantly, unwavering, without blinking about everything to make it sound like everything is fine. And then get up the next day and do it again. tRumpty has been practising his whole life.
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u/Remarkable-Bag-683 2d ago
Yeah my thought tho is that the people in the administration don’t really need his followers. They’re in control now, so they’ll make everyone suffer
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u/Quick_Assignment_725 2d ago
Yes, but their followers are deserting them. tRumps approval is at 37%. Republicans are losing all the small local elections. Red is flipping to blue. Epstein is still a sticking point and no-one can ignore the inflation. The administration is fudging the numbers and fox tells them everything is great but their shopping and power bills tell another story. Job losses and farm bankruptcies, the stock market is in a huge AI bubble. It's going to get worse before it gets better. The only way they can win is to cheat.
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u/Chemical-Formal8566 1d ago
Totally agree. It’s like they’re living in a bubble while reality hits everyone else. Cheating might buy time, but it won’t fix anything.
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u/OnlyTakes5minutes 2d ago
Exactly. They have their people in all the key places already. Doesn't matter who the prez will be, they don't need followers anymore or voters for that matter. Anybody who will continue in P2025 and keep raking in money for all those in the circle will do.
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u/TheFatAndUglyOldDude 2d ago
See, this is the thing. Trump is not doing all the nasty shit that's being done. It's Miller, Thiel, and others. When Trump is gone, they will still be there and whoever is president will still just do what they've laid out. They're not worried about approval ratings or Trump's following. That's just a bonus. They'll pass everything off as "this is what Trump would have wanted", and it'll happen. And the Trump cult will probably still approve of it because "it's what Trump would have wanted."
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u/mybloodyballentine 1d ago
I don’t think the supreme court will blindly simp for Vance like they do for Trump. They’re afraid of Trump. They’re not afraid of Vance. And I know they’re all following the whims of project 2025, but MAGA in general will lose steam when Trump goes.
Then we have to get the dems to stop being pussies and stack the court.
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u/whoababyitsrae 2d ago
Not enough people are talking about this. Very little changes, and I think the celebrations on the left will push a lot of people further right. This does not end unless we come together and demand it to.
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u/start_select 2d ago
If they weekend at Bernie’s him into a limo Monday and blow it up…. It’s their reichstag fire.
They have an excuse to arrest democrats and deploy troops in cities. Then they have an excuse to run ICE checkpoints on every major highway in cities on Election Day.
They aren’t going to stop the election. They are going to gridlock blue regions so that rush hour lasts 4 hours and people don’t have time to vote.
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u/Quick_Assignment_725 1d ago
They are going to try to cheat every possible way. They're already putting known election deniers into election oversight positions. They will say the vote was invalid because (reasons) and tie it up in court. Redistricting, lack of polling locations, ICE positioned at the polls. Anything they can think of.
But if it still looks like they're going lose, they'll pull the pin and cancel.
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u/emusteve2 2d ago
Cults don’t survive the death of their charismatic leader. It would absolutely be a good thing.
Keep in mind, the problem is that a large number of our fellow countrymen are in a memetic cult. There is no fixing anything until we fix that.
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u/BARRY_DlNGLE 2d ago
When cult leaders die, the cult dies. Yes, it would absolutely be good for the world if the man is gone.
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u/Four_in_binary 1d ago
Nope. His death is a good thing for humanity. Never have I seen a human being with with less redeeming qualities. Hopefully he is joined very soon by the rest of his deplorable cronies.
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u/BonitoFlakes70 2d ago
It would be hard for JD Vance to take Trump's place because white nationalists don't see Vance with them because of his wife. Also, Vance does not have the same qualities as Trump to carry on with the personality cult. Trump's death might become like Elvis or JFK Jr thing, he is still alive crap.
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u/Lilmaggot 1d ago
This thread has made me realize ever more that the REAL enemy to democracy IS the Heritage Foundation, et al.
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u/ToughOk4114 2d ago
We will still have a huge fight ahead of us but it would give us an advantage we desperately need right now. Vance does not have the blind support
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u/Powered-by-Chai 2d ago
It'll kill the MAGA cult and that's all I care about. I don't think there's any sort of successor to the fanatics that people would accept and they'll go back to thinking politics is boring. Fingers crossed at least.
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u/GreyMenuItem 2d ago
Everyone hates JD. He’s a tool. He can’t make everyone bend over backwards for him like Trump does.
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u/WittyFeature6179 2d ago
I just get the gut feeling that Vance is going to take revenge for the memes and turn into a Bashar al-Assad. The mild mannered optometrist turned brutal dictator. Trump has created a wall of protection that vance is going to benefit from and he's not smart enough or charismatic enough to sustain any support among the people so he's going to rely heavily on the only ones who do support him, which are the P2025 religious extremists. The ones that want the death penalty for gay and trans people.
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u/Motor-Juice-6648 2d ago
Stop this. People did the same thing in 2016. They were afraid of Mike Pence and tolerated Trump.
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u/DiveCat 1d ago
It’s also ridiculous to do this. There is no way Trump - who is currently rotting away before our eyes - is making it four years (let along to a third term as he wants) so Vance is going to come regardless.
It’s a personality cult. When the personality of a personality dies, the infighting begins and Trump has surrounded himself with people who will definitely fight amongst themselves. Trump is absolutely worse, he is absolutely the reason we have MAGA. They would never have followed someone like Vance into their own brain rot.
It’s also clear not even Trump actually wanted Vance as VP - not long ago when he was asked if he could see Vance as his successor he said “it was too early to tell”. Without an actual endorsement from their cult leader odds are even lower Vance will be able to inherit the cultists.
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u/StackIsMyCrack 1d ago
Who are we kidding? They would weekend and Bernie's that mf.
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u/metalbotatx 2d ago
An interesting scenario to ponder: Democrats take the house and senate in 2026. Trump dies days after the new congress is sworn in. Vance becomes president. Vance nominates a new vice president. Congress says "that's an interesting choice, but if we don't confirm your choice, then if anything happens to you we get President Hakeem Jeffries."
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u/SergeantWea 1d ago
Hakeem Jeffries our pie in the sky scenario??
While I appreciate this movement and fighting against Trump, I really think some of us need to have higher standards for when MAGA ultimately implodes, which history tells us it will
Our reward for overthrowing trump CANNOT be fucking Hakeem Jeffries and the establishment Dem party
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u/The_Wkwied 1d ago
trump croaking is just the first step. We celebrate the small win. None of us honestly think that he is the guy pulling the strings.
we'll be down one child rapist grifter con man, but we'll still have the rest of the guardians of pedophiles to defeat. vance, thiel, heritage... that are the baddies. trump is just the first boss who thinks he is the final boss.
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u/jumpinjahosafa 1d ago
Lmao yall really think trump is reigning in the terror that is JD Vance?
Trump is a fucking monster. Vance ALSO SUCKS, but Trump is absolutely worse in every way.
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u/Lumiafan 1d ago
I simply do not care if JD Vance is better or worse. All I know right now is that Trump is a disaster and has irreparably harmed this country over the past 10 years.
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u/Routine_Soup2022 2d ago
The death of Donald Trump would be the end of the personality cult. J.D. Vance is not Donald Trump and couldn't replace him in the Trump coalition.
For one, White nationalists wouldn't champion J.D. Vance because his wife is of Indian descent. Second, he doesn't have the charisma. There is real danger of a leadership vacuum simply because of Vance's competency and temperament.
The end result would be very chaotic to say the least.
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u/2-wheels 1d ago
Yeah but nearly everyone hates him. Congressional Republicans won’t vote hard against their constituents’ interests for Vance like the will for Trump.
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u/TheLawnStink 1d ago
If many trumpsters don't like him, it's our side's responsibility to exploit that to very quickly hurt his chances of power and legitimacy, when he gains the presidency. Again, I said when; not if. Trump is very unwell, and I think he will die before 2028.
What I'm saying is to ruin the narrative. Make Vance a lame duck asap!
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u/Walrus_Deep 1d ago
JD "Just Dance" Vance will be a lame duck once the orange shit stain is dead. MAGA will desert him. Plus he will spend all his time at Jennifer convertible anyway.
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u/ICK_Metal 1d ago edited 18h ago
Stop with the “but Vance is worse”. He is not. Trump is the problem and needs to go. This is the thinking that got us trump.
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u/FarwindKeeper 1d ago
The one thing to remember: Vance thinks he's savvy and the smartest man in the room. But he doesn't have Trump's ability to just plow through criticism or just ignore reality. He stops, he hesitates, he fixates. His weakness is that he can't manage the fire house of bullshit. He can't be five lies deep by the time you register the first crazy thing. He's too disciplined and on point to run the shell game.
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u/DeliciousInterview91 1d ago
Movements held together by a single person rarely live beyond that person. Be it an ancient empire or a dictatorship, they often fail to survive the death of their core. When so much of a movement is dedicated to a cult of personality, it can be impossible to fill those shoes. The cannibalization will be a sight to behold.
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u/MamaFen 1d ago
I've always thought that Trump was just the distraction, the bright orange noisy toddler that they are using to keep us preoccupied while, behind the scenes, their real work is being done.
Vance stepping in and taking over just means that they no longer need the distraction, and their Machine has become self-sufficient. That scares me more than I can even begin to express.
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u/TheSadTiefling 1d ago
I just can’t see that couch, fucker being able to lie as successful as Trump has. I also don’t see him as creative enough to maintain the exhausting new cycle. Don’t get me wrong ideologically I think JD Vance wants to harm more children and harm more people, but his ability to do what he wants seems a lot less than Trump
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u/Purple-flying-dog 1d ago
Jd can’t command the maggats like dt. They only follow him. Jd doesn’t hold the base like he does.
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u/SatanicPanic619 1d ago
I remember people saying they were worried Pence would be worse. No one is worse than Trump. No one.
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u/OakNRun 1d ago
Turns out Pence actually valued some constitutional laws. My evangelical mom used to stan for him until he stood up against trump.
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u/Sad_Abrocoma_1496 1d ago
Getting rid of the cult leader would help a lot, and buy us valuable time.
It would not be a solution.
The Heritage Foundation, Project 2025, and the whole tangled Christian Nationalist movement will continue and will seek (and find) another malleable cult leader to try to sway the masses. Christian Nationalism is not to be confused with your sweet aunt who goes to church on Sundays and actually *does* try to be a good person... it's not "Christianity."
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u/ShepardOfDeception 1d ago
Trump's almost certainly alive. Knowing how cruel fate is, he'll probably pull a Kissinger and live far longer than he deserves.
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u/alphadogto 2d ago
Having Trump die in office would make him a martyr for the MAGA movement claiming he died for his country. Vance will have no idea what he's doing, he'll be a rudder without a ship.
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u/wheremybeepsat 2d ago
I like the idea of planting psyops. Whisper campaign's that Cheetolio was fine but Lady Eyeliner has been slowly poisoning him to usurp the throne. Let MAGAs hear this everywhere. Bonus points if they start believing that was what Jan 6th was all about, never mind that makes no factual sense whatever.
We can burn them back.
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u/picklehippy 2d ago
Vance is easier to shake up. He only acts like his has big balls in front of Trump. I bet we could emotionally and psychologically take him down
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u/Socially_awkward001 1d ago
Anything that destabilizes the fascist movement is an opportunity. In my experience, a lot of MAGA think Vance is an elite twat. If the people we elected to defend democracy DO THEIR JOBS, it could very well be the circumstances we need to derail our descent into fascism. That's placing a lot of trust into the people paid by AIPAC and corporate lobbyists, though.
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u/NorthStarMidnightSky 1d ago
MAGA won't follow Vance. He would be worse because he'll try to be ruthless, but without MAGA support, the people will be very energized to push back.
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u/ntwild97 1d ago
maga will suffer without their cult leader. Also every second that traitor keeps profiting off the Presidency is a second we're dragged further into the abyss. Anyone in the office would do less damage, even couch fucker.
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u/G-Ma1950 1d ago
Jd Vance has been Peter Thiel’s plan all along. The puppet Masters have been using Donald as the clown face for MAGA while they quietly and persistently install every aspect of 2025; the second part of 2025 has been kept secret (per Vought himself). The puppet masters no longer need Trump so they are going to let him die. They also don’t need Maga mania anymore. The puppet Masters have successfully infiltrated every aspect of our government. Now it’s just a matter of quelling the masses and allowing people to die off (per their Eugenics model).
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u/Memitim 1d ago
Perfect is the enemy of good. Evil gone is still evil gone. Obviously, the real problem isn't solved, since Trump rode in on a wave of hate and lies that Republicans have been building for decades. They'll turn Vance into their magically immune proxy for committing more crimes, and continue screwing America, but Trump will still be gone. When evil is running rampant, wins are usually more like damage control.
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u/lost_horizons 1d ago
It would be good. Take a win. Imagine never hearing him bloviate ever again. We’ll fight the next battle and the war would remain but I’m gonna celebrate when that headline hits.
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u/Dfiggsmeister 1d ago
My theory is they’ll Weekend At Bernie’s Trump for as long as they can before the corpse becomes too stiff to move. Or they’ll pull a Dave and have him hooked into machines keeping him alive. The problem is, his cult of personality is so strong that him being out beyond a week will cause the MAGA crowd to panic.
He posted this morning on Truth Social about the tariffs being struck down but this is highly unusual for him to not be seen or heard from since Tuesday. His schedule also cleared up suddenly after Tuesday so they are either dealing with a medical situation or he is dead and they’re doing the above until they can figure out what to do about the public.
In terms of Vance being president, it’ll be a disaster. He will likely be the end of MAGA. He doesn’t have the charisma of Trump nor the backing.
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u/Accomplished_Star_30 1d ago
The thing is, no one likes Vance. Not even the core cult will listen to him
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u/telephonebox31 2d ago
Trump can only do what he does because of his base. Congress are too afraid to speak up and so bow down instead. Vance does not have this power. The entire Republican Party will eat itself alive over this
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u/start_select 2d ago edited 2d ago
If it were true. My money says it’s not funny.
Aka “staged assassination” #3. Weekend at Bernie’s limo ride on Labor Day with explosions and arrested democrats.
They have no morals. Even bad news is a propaganda tool for fascists.
Edit: they already have ICE. No one needs Trump. All they need is an excuse to have ICE checkpoints on major highways and bridges on Election Day. They will gridlock blue regions and make rush hour 4 hours long so no one has time to vote.
They aren’t stopping the election, they will stop you from voting without even seeing you. They don’t need Trump anymore.
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u/yeyjordan 1d ago
All the vile shit that "someone worse than Chump" would be doing had already been happening. Project 2025 is already being implemented and Chump biting the dust will have no effect on future implementation. The same guys at the rotten core are still there.
Chump passing gives us a massive catharsis and reason to party, and afterward allows patriots to laser focus on the real puppet masters.
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u/CindiCindi15 1d ago
If true, they’ll still prop his dead ass up and even when maggots drop out of his ears they will convince their melting cult brains that he’s not really dead, just meditating.
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u/_misc_molly_ 1d ago
I cannot handle trumps face or voice. Evil will still exist, yes… but it won’t be so fucking annoying. Nails on a chalk board and acid in my eyes, I physically recoil from trumps everything. I DO have TDS or whatever dumb term they called it. That man makes my brain scream “POISON, AVOID AT ALL COSTS.”
So fuck it all, could get worse, but it was gonna regardless, I’m just glad I won’t have to look or listen to that fucking piece of shit anymore.
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u/Muchmuchgo 1d ago
Trump is just a figure head. if he is dead or died, we will be in the same exact boat. It doesn’t matter. BUT MAGA will have lost their god which may be helpful in the next election, if we have one.
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u/AEM7694 1d ago
They’ll splinter with infighting. They all hate each other anyways, Trump is just the glue that keeps them all from killing each other. Look at the people around him, no one is going to follow them. Pee Wee German? He’s got the charisma of a dried out turd on a bad stretch of road. JD “couch fucker” Vance? No one respects him at all, plus his wife is Indian, so for the real hardcore MAGA, he’s a race traitor. Kegsbreath, Coke Patel, ICE Barbie? They have even less of a chance to get the core behind them than the other two.
Vought scares me a bit more because while he’s absolutely a vile sack of shit, he’s leagues more intelligent than the rest. He’s also smart enough to realize the cult won’t follow him at all, but he will figure out who will and will continue to whisper in that person’s ear.
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u/aquatrez 1d ago
Vance and the rest of the Heritage Foundation cronies are certainly worse from a functional standpoint, but at least none of them are capable of having the cult following Trump did.
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u/boltaxtion 1d ago
Trump is limping along on hopes and dreams of never going to jail and making sure he leaves a legacy of what he perceives as powerful leadership. He might not actually know much about P25 that's how oblivious he is.
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u/worldscollice 1d ago
We don’t want him to die on a holiday weekend. We already have Labor Day. The day Trump dies will be named a new National Holiday. Let’s hope for a Monday or Friday coming up in the next few weeks, so Americans will have another three-day weekend.
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u/Rhianna83 1d ago
Just Dance can’t even vacation without pissing people off. He isn’t a messiah or next leader of MAGA. The cult dies with Trump.
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u/SanityInTheSouth 1d ago
I think we can expect a total cluster fuck if Trump kicks the bucket. The Tech bro's Christian Nationalists and the rest of the wackos pulling the strings behind the curtains are going to eat each other alive to fill the void. I do not see our country escaping this madness without a major event. Then again, the cowards who have been doing his bidding out of raw fear of repercussions may step up and try to stabilize things, but I have little hope for that; they're weak, flaccid clowns.
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u/blumieplume 1d ago
I honestly think it’s all bad. I just want out. I don’t wanna live in this country anymore.
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u/Pistonenvy2 1d ago
i keep seeing this take and i cant help but think its motivated by hysteria and fear rather than logic.
how is trump any different than vance? how is trump any less of a puppet for the hertiage foundation when project 2025 is going according to plan since day one?
the cult is already breaking down while trump is still alive, what will they have left once he dies?
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u/PlasmidEve 1d ago
JD Vance is a joke. He cannot go anywhere without being banned or booed. A restaurant staff even had a mutiny over him. nobody will take him seriously. He would be an absolute pushover and will most certainly be thrown out of office
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u/MusicMeetsMadness 1d ago
The only thing I see as a positive is JD doesn’t have that zest that maga loves. Don is the guy, the only guy, they don’t care about anything but him. They don’t care about policy or anything so they won’t care what ever Vance is going for.
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u/ImaG_TheFilthyCasual 1d ago
JD doesn't have a cult following. When Trump says something dumb, MAGA does their mental gymnastics to argue, "AkChUaLlY, tHis iS a GoOd tHinG. He's PlAyInG 4D cHesS!" I just don't see a lot of people blindly going along with whatever Just Dance Vance says the way they do for Trump.
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u/CurrentResident23 1d ago
The only thing worse than Trump is someone actually competent leading the cause of Project 2025. But also, thank fuck JD is so uncharismatic. I can't imagine him getting a term on his own merits.
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u/RetroRyanReddit Michigan 1d ago
power vacuum, they'll tear each other apart trying to protect themselves
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u/BigBlueElf 1d ago
Vance does not inspire the same rabid worship from the Trump cult, nor the same level of obedient fear in Congress. Is he bad news? Yes. But he’s also vulnerable.
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u/CHAIFE671 1d ago
Vance doesn't have the backing of trumps base. Sure he's one of those bozos connected to the heritage foundation. But even MAGA hates Vance. He doesn't have the charisma to keep Trumps base. He's not a loud mouth ignoramus that speaks to the worst of trumps base.
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