r/AFL • u/Expensive-Horse5538 Port Adelaide ✅ • 3d ago
Adelaide Crows fans say club failed to act after 'vile' homophobic comments, booing of Isaac Quaynor
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-05/adelaide-crows-fans-hit-out-at-homophobic-comments-from-crowd/105739812?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=linkSome Crows fans have expressed their disgust at fellow supporters who booed Isaac Quaynor on Thursday night.
Some fans said they would consider not renewing their membership next year over a perceived lack of action from the club.
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u/jorcoga Adelaide 3d ago
Oh man I needed to read this and to know I'm not the only one really feeling this. Feel like I've had one of my greatest loves ripped out from under me and honestly the anger I felt last night has just given over to a deep sadness today. Really genuinely hope other clubs learn from this and no other fanbase needs to learn the hard way how many absolutely horrible people they share team colours with.
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u/sonsofgondor Crows 3d ago
You're not. There's plenty who feel ashamed to support this club at the moment
Unfortunatly I fear the majority are the opposite
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u/preparetodobattle Magpies 3d ago
The dickheads are always the loudest and let’s be honest footy clubs aren’t where you normally see progressive opinions. Let’s hope with the influence of aflw and some of the older dinosaurs dying off things will change. From the outside it does look like the crows as an organisation don’t really get it and need significant cultural change
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 3d ago
Did we all just pause our brains during the Adam Goodes stuff?
Literally every club is like this, you think those fans just stopped going to games or dont follow the sport any more? Theyre still there, Adam Goodes isnt.
Sure this is happening currently at the Crows, but people were booing IQ in the Melbourne Collingwood game. These fans have always been at every AFL club. Other clubs arent going to learn from this, other fans arent. Theyre literally in this thread self fellating how it could never be their club, but it could be and it was and it will be again.
Not a single club solved the issue we saw when they bullied Adam Goodes out of the game, the solution was for Adam Goodes to leave. Nothing got fixed.
Its every club, it always has been.
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u/fphhotchips Adelaide 3d ago
Literally every club is like this, you think those fans just stopped going to games or dont follow the sport any more? Theyre still there, Adam Goodes isnt.
It doesn't have to be like this. The Club made it OK when they argued against the 5 weeks. The club made it OK when they didn't make any statement at the time. The club made it ok when they didn't make any statement leading up to the game, and the Club made it ok when they didn't start kicking people out last night.
We deserve a better class of leadership than this.
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 3d ago
Our statement came at literally the same time as every other clubs statements in previous investigations. At the time of the punishment.
The process failed because the player was identified. The AFL need to find who the person who leaked the player and make an example of them.
Who did collard abuse? Who did Graham abuse? Who did Powell abuse? Who did Finlayson abuse?
The AFL have confirmed the process the crows went through was exactly the same as other clubs. Every single previous instance of this went through the same process we did. Every club was given an initial figure and then presented reasons why it should be lower. Why wasn't Jack Graham 5? You think the AFL just gave 4 and they accepted it?
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u/fphhotchips Adelaide 2d ago
Sorry, my bad, what I meant to say was "when the statement they made at the time was so heartless and mealy-mouthed that they might as well not have made one". I agree that the leaker here should be keelhauled, because they made the situation worse. Without those leaks, the statement they made might have been good enough. However, given that the club was in the situation they were, the response needed to be much stronger.
I don't disagree that the AFL fucked up here, or that the process for adjudication is fucking weird (you literally have the tribunal system right there), but the club completely failed to respond. "Everyone else did it like this" doesn't get us out of it, because we weren't in the situation everyone else was.
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u/AusStripedZebra St Kilda AFLW 2d ago
They specifically said Graham only got 4 because he specifically owned up to it straight away
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u/Special-Record-6147 3d ago
so we should do nothing and allow this horrid behavior to continue?
like, what point are you trying to make?
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 2d ago
The point is his isn't some Adelaide crows thing like this guy is making it out to be. It's society on a whole.
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u/Special-Record-6147 2d ago
The point is his isn't some Adelaide crows thing like this guy is making it out to be
this is very much an adelaide crows thing mate. it was the crows crowd booing.
Just because there are broader problems of bigotry in Australian society in NO WAY excuses the disgraceful behaviour of the Crows crowd.
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 2d ago
Putting aside that Melbourne were literally booing in the previous game go and read what I wrote again.
All clubs have these people as their fans. This is not exclusive to the crows. At no point did I ever excuse it and frankly if that's you're takeaway from my comment above then I won't bother continuing with you.
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u/Special-Record-6147 2d ago
At no point did I ever excuse it
except for when you did here:
The point is his isn't some Adelaide crows thing like this guy is making it out to be. It's society on a whole.
and here:
Putting aside that Melbourne were literally booing in the previous game
and here:
Literally every club is like this
downplaying the bad actions of one group of people by pointing to other groups that also act poorly is the very definition of an excuse champ
do better
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 2d ago
Get over yourself lol
So you disagree this is a society issue and believe its isolated completely to the crows then?
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u/212mochaman Gold Coast 2d ago
How is singling out ONE group instead of all 18 of em doing better?
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u/Special-Record-6147 1d ago
How is singling out ONE group instead of all 18 of em doing better?
because this incident involved the Crows.
a crows player said the slur. the crows crowd booed the player the slur was directed towards
Seriously, how can you not understand that?
lol
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u/212mochaman Gold Coast 1d ago
and how is going after exclusively the crows going to solve the problem of (rough estimate) 10% of the afl supporter base being a bunch of meatheads hiding behind a fence and ticket
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u/212mochaman Gold Coast 1d ago
"because this incident involved the Crows"
It also involved said minority of garbage gutter trash STILL getting through the gates of an AFL venue when the game is on
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u/jessisrad Collingwood 3d ago
I’m sorry you’re feeling this way over a really small part of the fanbase. Yeah, it was a dog act but it isn’t the majority. Do I like the way the whole IQ situation was handled? No. But that doesn’t make me hate Adelaide and all their supporters as a whole. Just the shitty ones. Was it a satisfying win? Absolutely! Unfortunately they are in every team supporter base. I yelled at some Collingwood supporters last month for gross comments at the game. It sucks but all you can do it support with love and kindness for such a good sport. Focus on that. :) xo
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u/palsc5 Port Adelaide 3d ago
Is it really a surprise at this point though? The Crows organisation itself has been abysmal for years.
Even the coach’s response to Rankine wasn’t about the impact his words have on others, but that Rankine would be feeling pretty bad to miss out so his thoughts were with him. Then the treatment of Betts. Treatment of McLeod. Debacle after the grand final loss. Walker’s racist attacks.
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u/PerriX2390 #Brisbehinds² 3d ago
The whole attitude towards this from the Crows has been disgusting and they're rightly being called out for it.
In an open letter the club shared with ABC Sport, supporter Richard Heath called for a sincere apology to Quaynor, a public acknowledgement of the harm caused to the LGBTQIA+ supporters, an apology to Crows fans, and a commitment to meaningful change moving forward.
This is the most basic shit Adeaide should be doing and yet at every turn they fuck it up
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u/annoyingcheese Carlton 3d ago
Absolutely agree about the apology, public acknowledgement of harm and condemnation of supporters.
However what can then be done regarding supporters and ongoing booing? Would removing them from games be the way forward? how do you police that vs other heckling. Whats actually the actions here? On going campaigns and support for the LGBTQ+ community etc?.
Genuinely curious about what could stamp this out cause it unfortunately feels cultural and generational right now
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u/Medaiyah #Brisbehinds² 3d ago
A public statement from the club itself condemning the behaviour at the ground would go a long way. The fans that booed would see that their own club stands against them and the club can distance themselves from bigotry.
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u/Get_fuct69 Collingwood Magpies 3d ago
It may be complex but the afl should make each and every club responsible for their fans behaviour with fines or crowd bans. At the end of the day the supporters represent the club and if their bahaviour is going to cost the club I guarantee they’ll take significant action to stop it
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u/National-Ad5034 3d ago
Agreed. I think Wayne Rooney said something to that affect about racist crowds in Europe. Gotta ding the clubs. That said, it is a slippery thing to police. Especially if it's simply booing and not abuse or sledging.
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u/CommentWhileShitting Suns 3d ago edited 3d ago
Just like they glazed over Walker being racist, I thought they had learnt by now.
Hats off to Adelaide for being more unlikable than Essendon. It's a big feat, you deserve it
**No shade to Essendon, personally think their fans cop an unusual amount of shit for fuck all
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u/AgentMiffa Essendon 3d ago
how are we unlikeable these days were trash lol.
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u/sinkintins Hawthorn 3d ago
Historical disgust, think about it, Dons were once good enough that 2 decades of mediocrity still hasn't scrubbed the hate out. You should be proud really haha
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u/smsmsm11 Dees 3d ago
We hated you because you were so good now we hate you because you’re so bad
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u/i_am_cool_ben #NepoBabies 3d ago
Then what do we gotta do to be liked?
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u/smsmsm11 Dees 3d ago
Win a final probably
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u/jimbsmithjr Essendon 3d ago
I spose I never stopped hating Carlton all those years they were shit so I can't judge
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u/Chonkloaf43 Adelaide Crows 3d ago
Nicks actually came out pretty strongly when the Walker incident occurred, which makes the weird attitude & PR corp-speak more disappointing with this whole scenario.
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u/Ok-Astronaut-7593 Bombers 3d ago
I agree with the sentiment but bit rough to suggest we’re hateable on a comparable level to homophobia
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u/sa87 South Australia 3d ago
With the attitude I got from my own mother after the Rankine thing with her excusing what was said as "not that bad!" I have to say I'm afraid every part of society needs massive change - and I was astounded hearing that from the person who 35 years ago scolded me for making fun of a gay couple who were customers of hers. I used that event in my life as the cornerstone for how I treated everyone from that point onward but now I don't know what to say anymore especially after I challenged her on how she was so dismissive of something which is obviously unacceptable these days.
I love my football club, this is the first year I've made an effort to take my daughter to as many games as possible but I don't want to be around anyone who has this shitty attitude thinking they can take pot shots about players own lives. Sure, be critical of their effort as a player but that's all that needs to be said.
There is no excuse for ignoring the situation and everyone involved inside and outside of the club need to take a step back, look in the mirror and go and have a long think about it otherwise we'll be back again saying the same things next time.
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u/imsoIoneIy Kuwarna 3d ago
Said Marns was a fucking legend the other day when she did her AMA, and she still is today. Thankful to have her voice in the media landscape right now
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u/Maddog2300 3d ago
Lost the game. Lost the moral high ground. Like the collective minds saga all over again the Crows show they are masters at shooting themselves in the foot as soon they get some success. Self sabotage.
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u/railgxn Geelong Cats 3d ago
i would agree on the points others have raised that this is a national issue rather than a club one, but Adelaide have failed at an administrative level at every step of this saga, I simply do not understand it whatsoever. not one other club had this much of a fallout for their respective incidents
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u/Most-Drive-3347 Tasmania Devils 3d ago
Correct. This isn’t specific to the Crows. They still have a responsibility to not be boneheads and pretend they don’t have a problem.
Imagine being gay and having to put on a Crows AFLW guernsey this weekend.
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u/Elcapitan2020 Collingwood Magpies 3d ago
Homophobia and bigotry is a national issue, but I think a lot of this talk about "societal issue etc" is actually giving Adelaide and the Crows an easy out they don't deserve.
This is an ADELAIDE issue. You have the Crows senior leadership failing again and again to address the issue directly. You have Adelaide's biggest radio station hosts saying Quaynor got Rankine suspended (not even true but anyway). You have a significant number of Adelaide flairs on here continuing to try deflect or whatabout the issue away, and their own sub last night was attempting to shut down discussion on the topic.
This is a particular fanbase acting abnormally badly. I feel genuinely sorry for the decent Adelaide supporters of which I'm sure there are plenty, but they clearly have a major cultural issue down there they need to address, not just say "oh everyone is the same"
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u/willreview The Dons 3d ago
Adelaide has probably the worst victim complex in the competition. That's saying something
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u/Special-Record-6147 3d ago
To suggest there is a major cultural issue in South Australia compared to everywhere else in Australia is extremely odd
not at all what his point was mate.
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u/jorcoga Adelaide 3d ago
I think you make a valid point but I think insisting it's purely an Adelaide issue is what I can't fully agree with on the level of, it only takes a few things going wrong for any other fanbase to do something similar. Right now it's us and we're gonna continue fucking this up for the foreseeable but every club has shitty people who can be enabled supporting it.
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u/AlamutJones #EdgeOfSeventeen 3d ago
It doesn’t have to be ONLY an Adelaide issue for it to be an issue Adelaide specifically needs to address.
Collingwood weren’t the only club with racism issues in the league. Far from it. Nevertheless, it was (and remains, and will probably always be) something we were particularly bad at, and needed to specifically, intentionally, meaningfully make changes to improve on. It was very, very hard as a supporter. It was very, very public…
…but it was necessary for the club’s soul. That might be where Adelaide are at now, making decisions about what the soul of your club is going to be
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u/jorcoga Adelaide 3d ago
Adelaide absolutely needs to address it. I have no interest in doing whataboutism or minimising with this and I'm deeply deeply mortified by all this. My issues with this are a few - I don't want to let the supporters of other teams who think the people booing were right off the hook (I know they're not in this subreddit but I do worry a bit that this is gonna spread). I don't want the good parts of any other team's fans to have to deal with this. And on a more personal level I don't want the idea that the crows are the club for bigots to pervade and for the team I've loved to be given over to people who hate who I am. I'm absolutely heartbroken over this, I'm sure there are crows fans here who even if they mean well are still in denial a bit but I'm just feeling really sad and I wouldn't wish the feelings I'm going through right now on anyone. That's where I'm at and if I'm a bit incoherent getting my thoughts through then that's why.
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u/AlamutJones #EdgeOfSeventeen 3d ago
I know mate. Believe me, Pies fans know what it’s like to be confronted by profound failings from a club you want to be able to love. The whole Do Better thing broke my heart.
There is a way back from here. We did it, you can do it. It’s just…not an easy road back, and it might hurt for a while while the club decides who they want to be
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u/sarcHastical Cats 3d ago
I’m so sorry you feel like this. It’s such BS the decent crows supporters are feeling so disillusioned among other feelings. I know all clubs have booing turds, Geelong has them too. From a neutral point, the booing seemed very loud on the TV. Those supporters should have sore throats today.
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u/Special-Record-6147 3d ago
I think you make a valid point but I think insisting it's purely an Adelaide issue is what I can't fully agree with
not at all what he said
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u/jorcoga Adelaide 3d ago
Look I'll be honest, I've been having a really bad day over this and read the comment wrong a bit. Would've deleted it if I didn't think the stuff in the replies was worth holding on to.
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u/Special-Record-6147 3d ago
sorry to hear that mate.
it really sucks when an organisation you want to love disappoints you. definitely been there myself.
have a good one mate, you seem like a good sort
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u/Anderz Crows 3d ago
Yeah we're a good example on how to fuck up the PR of this, but like... Is racism a Victorian issue due to the systemic racism of Collingwood? Or the out of court settlements at Hawthorn after their racism scandal? Yes but only because it's an Australian culture issue. No club is immune to this.
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u/ItsABiscuit Collingwood Magpies 3d ago
Nobody is seriously saying this is a South Australian issue. We’re saying that alongside the general societal issue of homophobia, the Adelaide Football Club is demonstrating an unacceptable level of unwillingness to treat the issue seriously. People’s beef with the club is entirely about issues within their control.
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u/ImMalteserMan Adelaide 3d ago
What exactly is the easy out? The club has been smashed over their handling of the issue right from day dot. They haven't gotten out of anything. But I think when people say it's a society issue they are simply saying don't tar all fans with the same brush.
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u/The_Grogfather Power 3d ago
I’ve really been trying to put my bias aside (port fan lol) and give the crows the benefit of the doubt by basically saying that every other club would’ve acted the same, but fuck I just don’t think that’s true anymore. The statement they put out today was fucking weak as piss and literally so far below the bare minimum that I’m genuinely pretty certain majority of other clubs would’ve acted better
PS fuck crows, gotten away with “not being the feral club” in Adelaide for way too long
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u/luckyvelvet Hawks 3d ago
I hate it because it sets a precedent that clubs don’t need to take responsibility for the culture that they represent. They should’ve come out swinging that the behaviour is unacceptable and being super explicit about it. Their comment was so broad and not enough… We need to see clubs doing better 😞
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u/Harsh_Realm Crows 3d ago
If the Rankine incident was treated similar to other incidents, there would've been barely any fallout (or at least nowhere near as much).
Worth reiterating that almost all of the contentious parts of the saga haven't formed part of any official communications from either club or the AFL, including:
- the fact that Quaynor was the alleged victim;
- that this was something Rankine had supposedly said before (or said multiple times in the relevant game);
- that the AFL intended to give Rankine five weeks suspension;
- that Adelaide lobbied the AFL to reduce the sanction on various grounds, including Rankine's mental health; and
- that the AFL ultimately decided to reduce the sanction to four weeks.
None of the above has ever been officially confirmed, to my knowledge. It's all been leaked through various media channels in an unofficial capacity and served to drive what has become an entrenched narrative about the Crows, the AFL, Rankine, Quaynor, etc.
Imagine a different scenario without leaks and where the only communication was a straight-forward confirmation Rankine had said a homophobic slur and had been issued a sanction of four weeks. There might've been some grumbling about inconsistency, but I expect it would've been far, far less controversial.
If you want to know why other clubs and players (Finlayson at PAFC, Graham at WCE etc) didn't face the same fallout, that's an enormous reason why.
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u/Sealskjaer Hawks 3d ago
You’ve summed it up pretty well there.
From start to finish this has been a colossal failure to adequately communicate by both the AFL and the Adelaide Football Club.
If both groups had nipped it in the bud early with proper and dare I say it, transparent statements (rather than the absolute circus we got), there wouldn’t have been anything to leak and it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as big a story.
Edit: fixed some terrible sentence structure
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u/fphhotchips Adelaide 2d ago
This is right, and whomever leaked it so consistently should be very publicly fired.
However, that doesn't hand Adelaide a free pass. Executive Leadership is about making the right choices in a changing landscape. If everything always went to plan and the right choice was always the one in the playbook, we wouldn't need a CEO or management team, we'd just need the book. Unfortunately, in this circumstance, they've consistently made the wrong choices and they should be held responsible for that even if it's not fair they had to, because that's supposed to be their bloody job.
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u/duly-goated303 Magpies 3d ago
I wish rankine and Adelaide crows just copped the 5 week ban and issued a formal apology in the same week so everyone could’ve moved on before the final last night.
Just such poor handling throughout. fight the ban, ship rankine to Italy, have him come back the eve of the game to apologise, hide him in the back room during the game.
they’ve try’d to sweep it under the rug by avoiding the conversation and in doing so have extended this whole thing by about a month, the discourse around this is so tiring and has overshadowed their first finals run in 8 years.
If you’re a crows fan and mad at IQ or Collingwood or “the woke mob” you’re an idiot be pissed at rankine for doing something he knew would get him suspended at a time you needed him the most and be mad at your incompetent club for not being able to coordinate a pretty simple black and white (see what I did there) situation.
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u/Afterthought60 GWS 3d ago
They've not only shot themselves in the foot, but now if they do make the Granny the talk is gonna be all about Rankine. You just know the media and fans will be heckling him in the street, at open training, at the GF parade etc and the club will be asked all week whether he will play. It would be such an awful week for the team and for him in what should be a special occasion.
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u/lolfaceadmin Crows 3d ago
Genuine question - are we allowed to also be mad that the AFL have thrown us under the bus at every turn by deliberately leaking things at 24 hour intervals to fuel the media furore and hatred towards our club, seemingly to create a narrative of us as the villains?
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u/PerriX2390 #Brisbehinds² 3d ago
Yes, the AFL has also fucked up their handling of this saga.
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u/lolfaceadmin Crows 3d ago
Gosh this has ruined my year all of this.
I love footy, I (want to) love my club. I want it to all be over.
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u/TheWitcherOfTheNight Adelaide 2d ago
Yep same here mate, and anything we say no matter if we clearly outline we in no way support any of the booing or the actions of rankine we still get downvoted and murdered on socials because we are Adelaide fans… it’s just such a grim time and has me disengaging with all of it when this should be the most exciting time in 8 years :(
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u/preparetodobattle Magpies 3d ago
The leaking is disappointing but I’m not sure they have thrown you under a bus. You are the bus.
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u/duly-goated303 Magpies 3d ago
Yeah of course. The afl and media love this. But if the club wasn’t incompetent in it’s handling they’d be no incompetence to report on
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u/Sealskjaer Hawks 3d ago
Definitely be mad at the AFL for their continuing incompetence.
Would it be crazy to expect clubs to understand that this is business as usual for this iteration of AFL leadership? Maybe I’m naive but it seems like a no brainer to be fully on the front foot with communication as a footy club to ensure you don’t get dragged down by Dillon et al’s failings.
Or maybe head office would be even harsher if clubs made them look bad (worse?) by doing this…
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u/sarcHastical Cats 3d ago
I blame the AFL for a lot of this. And then Adelaide and Rankine. It’s been badly handled from all sides.
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u/atreyu84 Adelaide 3d ago
I know I'm going to get slated (again) for this but you can't deny the furore this time is waaaay more than any other time, and it's not just the way the club has handled it.
They haven't handled it well, and they also haven't been allowed to deal with it like the other clubs. West coast reported a week later, almost certainly after negotiating with gws about it, and then the AFL came out 3 or 4 days later with a 4 week penalty, a week less than the time before, despite saying they were going to keep going up, with a new "self reporting" discount.
I don't remember any condemnation of west coast for getting the penalty reduced, or anyone even asking if they had.
Compare that to Rankine where there was constant supposed leaks of information that's never been officially confirmed about negotiation and 5 week penalties and it was constantly in the news. It didn't even really take longer than Graham at West coast, and it was certainly less time than after the incident happened.
It's not an excuse for getting it wrong, but the focus on this has been orders of magnitude higher than the west coast incident and not because of the way Adelaide handled it.
And then some idiots had to boo Quaynor, which whether you're doing it supposedly for his behaviour during the last match, you had to know it was a terrible look and just an entirely stupid thing to do.
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u/Abject-Efficiency182 West Coast 3d ago
The furore should be bigger every time tbh, it's the only way it will lead to change. Also the fact that it meant Rankine might miss the GF obviously added to the media interest - ofc that's going to get more coverage than Graham (although whether it should is another point).
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u/ParadiseLost1312 3d ago edited 3d ago
As a lifelong crows supporter my stomach has been turning all day today after what happened at last nights game and the 3 or so weeks leading up to it and I have just sent an email to the club expressing my serious disappointment.
I have strong progressive beliefs and values and while I don’t expect organisations to be perfect I at least want to see them taking steps in the right direction. The last 3 weeks have been so disappointing to be the fan of a club that has been silent and watch on as so many other clubs actively took steps to come into line with the rest of society on accepting the LGBTQ community within the AFL.
Genuinely don’t know what the future holds for me as a supporter and whether I will be able to continue supporting this club unless they start taking a drastically different approach ASAP ☹️
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u/Dlwatt93 Giants 3d ago
You’re welcome to upgrade your support for everyone’s favourite second team 🍊🍊
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u/MongooseBrigadier Adelaide 3d ago
I contacted them today and asked for their pitch as my new club. I specifically asked how they'd handle the situation, and they didn't answer that (for obvious reasons) but they were strong on being an inclusive place.
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u/fphhotchips Adelaide 3d ago
Weird that you'd advertise with those emojis when 🐶 and 🌞 are right there tho
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u/awgonin Adelaide 3d ago
Sitting in the stadium with all this going on was so uncomfortable. I knew there would be some bad behaviour towards Collingwood but I, probably naively didn't think it would be so widespread and so blatant. I could huff the copium and think, well it's an issue with society as a whole , most clubs in this scenario would unfortunately end up here. The complete administrative failure of the club is so disgusting. The club's failure isn't societies fault, its the clubs. There needs to be a clean out at the top of the club. Bring in people who can actually respond to a situation like this without fanning the flames and hurting LGBT fans.
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u/throwaway-8923 Pies 3d ago
This is massive by these Crows fans. Calling out your own club wouldn’t be easy especially when there is such an outspoken contingent of Crows fans and the club itself who have been absolutely disgusting through this whole thing.
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u/TheWitcherOfTheNight Adelaide 3d ago
Fucking camp all over again. Why do we do this, I just want to enjoy footy and finals and they completely fucked it after 8 years of waiting. Joke of a club and joke of a league atm.
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u/AllModsRLosers #Brisbehinds² 3d ago
The crazy thing to me is that it seems the AFL has learned NOTHING from the Adam Goodes saga.
Mark my words, ten years down the track there’ll be a documentary and they’ll all come out with their fucking “gee whiz, we really missed the moment” comments when it costs them less than nothing to do so.
Gutless, useless pricks, the lot of them.
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u/Ok-Difficulty-3634 Brisbane Lions 🏆 '24 3d ago
I’m curious as to how many people that were/are on the Crows bandwagon for the finals are intending on still supporting them. I know you shouldn’t judge a club by its worst fans, but this all goes deeper than the actions of the fans
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u/Dionysian53 #NoPlaceLikeHome 3d ago
My entire family barracks for a spectrum of Victorian clubs, but there is one thing we have always all been united on and that's our hatred of Collingwood. The family mantra for generations has always been that you support two teams: yours and whoever is playing Collingwood.
Every single person from every single generation started barracking for Collingwood last night in response to the booing of IQ.
Adelaide were genuinely one of the clubs I was hoping would win the flag a few weeks back. Their handling of this as a club has been disgraceful.
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u/peabertpickles Melbourne 3d ago
Have gone from wanting them to win the whole thing - to - hope they get knocked out in straight sets.
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u/glenngillen Bombers 3d ago
I mean, I wanted them to smash the pies last night. Within 10 minutes that fanbase had somehow made me question everything I thought I cared for re team alliances. Because now I think a Collingwood defender is a hero, and the Crows can get fucked and go out in straight sets.
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u/Chiron17 Richmond Tigers 3d ago
I was on the bandwagon and now I'm really hoping for straight sets
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u/yeahalrightgoon Footscray 3d ago
Can't support a club that has done the wrong thing at every step of this. Was excited for them, live in Adelaide etc, but they can get fucked.
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u/lizard-breather Geelong Cats 3d ago
Well, hopefully one of our clubs can absolutely piss in them if we get through to a prelim against them.
Good luck tonight, I might not even boo Zorko
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u/Grolschisgood Adelaide 3d ago
Stereotypes aren't great but many people still imagine the average pies fan as missing more than a few teeth. We're really not fighting the stereotype of being the most racist and homophobic group of footy fans in the country. Its just hurts on a deeper level because I actually think the hate is justified and we, as in the club, arent doing anything to try amd be better.
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u/lwaxana_katana Pies 3d ago
I know it was not the right time to say it, but Eddie was right that the Do Better report was a good thing for Collingwood because it -- and the rightful outrage about what it said -- really did give us a chance/force us to, well, do better. I took a few years off from watching footy after that report came out, I was just so tired of trying to separate what I heard about the club and players from the team I supported on the weekend.
But anyway, the point is, in no small part thanks to the rest of football world holding our feet to the fire we are a much better and healthier club today than we were. Hopefully the same thing can happen at Adelaide.
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u/Grolschisgood Adelaide 3d ago
We seem to stumble from controversy to controversy. Its miraculous we find time for decent football
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u/BusinessPooh Tigers 3d ago
I was, firmly off it. Shall go back and watch the 2017 Grand Final and have a laugh.
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u/God___frey-Jones #DoItForUnc 3d ago
If you'd asked me 4 weeks ago outside of the Hawks, I absolutely would have wanted Adelaide to win. Have been such a fun team to watch all year.
Now, they've had me actively barrack for Collingwood for a night, something I will never forgive them for.
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u/Then_Ask_3167 Eagles 3d ago
Ive been cheering them on all year as my second team but I am over this situation. Freo, GC, Lions,...... Collingwood let's go
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u/Expensive-Horse5538 Port Adelaide ✅ 3d ago
I was kinda on it, since it would be a win for SA, however, have now jumped off it
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u/gorgeous-george Magpies 3d ago
Before the incident, if it wasn't Collingwood I would have almost been okay with a Crows flag. Not quite as supportive as, say, a Freo, GWS or Gold Coast flag, but up there.
Now they represent a lot of shitty boys club behaviour in my mind. Would take a very long time or a very significant change in direction for the club to change my mind on that.
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u/imsoIoneIy Kuwarna 3d ago
Like I said earlier today, for me it's just drained any fun or excitement out of it completely. Trying to participate in the match thread and just having people rail on Adelaide fans in general was truly shit. (Not trying to have a sook but it does kill the vibe completely)
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u/white_ajah Port Adelaide / Collingwood 3d ago
I can imagine how much this sucks in what should be an exciting and joyful time for supporters. Such a shame for the supporters and also for the team who has played an excellent season that the club has shat the bed at every step along the way with its response.
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u/ResponsibilityBig472 Adelaide 3d ago
Totally agreed, was so looking forward to it but the way anything associated with the adelaide name gets poopoo’ed isn’t fair as its not every fans fault that a few thousand made bad choices.
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u/Ok-Difficulty-3634 Brisbane Lions 🏆 '24 3d ago
For sure, it absolutely sucks that the fans that are decent people are being tarred with the same brush. And it sucks that your finals run is being marred with this crap
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u/AlamutJones #EdgeOfSeventeen 3d ago
Welcome to what we experience all the time. It is weird to be the lesser evil right now
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u/mildlybadatallthis New Zealand 3d ago
Yeah, plus the fact that the "no generalising fan bases" rule apparently has been thrown out specifically for the crows since this all started.
I still maintain it's a dumb rule, but the selective enforcement is even worse. I've been reporting any comments that are just because if enough people get annoyed and very vanilla comments being removed, the rule will go.
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u/dancing-on-my-own Western Bulldogs • Wurundjeri 3d ago
Was planning to, but have switched bandwagons to Freo.
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u/sarcHastical Cats 3d ago
I wanted the Crows to beat the Pies so Rankine couldn’t play if they got into the Grand Final. Now I hope it’s either straight sets or they make it and get absolutely smashed …
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u/semaj009 North AFLW ✅ 2d ago
I loved the fairy tale, now want straight sets exits and a 2023-2024 Carltonesque false start for this list, the club admin, and coach
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u/Strykah #FeroForever 3d ago
The Crows coach had the strongest moment to address it after the game but he didn't...
What a joke the AFL community is
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u/Dependent-Special899 Hawthorn 3d ago
He had two moments, two repeat questions, and he chose to deflect and not say anything 😅 pathetic
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u/Afterthought60 GWS 3d ago
The fact the Adelaide crows chairman did more to ‘sanction’ (told him off and apologised to the other club) Wayne Milera for indirectly calling the Sydney swans team a rabble whilst being absent over a player using a homophobic slur tells me all I need to know about the current administration of that club.
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u/Jimbo_Johnny_Johnson Essendon Bombers 3d ago
I love Marnie Vinall and the work she does so, so much
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u/MonsterMunchen Carlton 3d ago
Excellent article and some truly passionate fans in there who have no reason to feel personally ashamed but show a great deal of empathy and willingness to stand up to the bigotry. Good on people like Jess.
I don’t mind some gentle booing for former rivals - probably for the first touch and then get back to cheering your own team, but last night was simply embarrassing and the club needs to have a long hard look at itself.
I can’t remember if my flair is Blues/ Crows or just Blues, but yeah, I might drop the bronze membership here in Adelaide and just head to which ever games of either side take my fancy.
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u/Expensive-Horse5538 Port Adelaide ✅ 3d ago
The clubs handling of this whole situation has been very poor - good on those who weren’t apart of last nights poor behaviour, and are calling them out
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u/Pandos17 Essendon Bombers 3d ago
Honestly not shocked (sadly) that the club that solved racism by getting the victim to accept an apology on camera from the perpetrator would not know how to handle a situation like this.
I’m just waiting for the crows to come out hard on cyber bullying of Rankine and concerns for his mental health and welfare.
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u/TheRandomTyrone Adelaide 3d ago
This has honestly killed what little belief I had that things had actually changed at this club.
This club is no less rotten than it was in 2012 or 2018.
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u/zorbacles Port Adelaide 3d ago
It took nearly 24 hours for a statement when it should've been made by the coach at the press conference.
Hell it should've been made before the game because it was more than obvious it was going to happen
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u/jm_leviathan Port Adelaide 3d ago edited 2d ago
I've drafted an improved response for Matthew Nicks:
"I'm disgusted by it; I'm ashamed, and I'm angry that I even have to address this. If you don't want to live by the values of this club, if that's not your priority, then grab your bag, put your scarf in it and walk out. You're not welcome."
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u/Expensive-Horse5538 Port Adelaide ✅ 2d ago
Even SAPOL knew what was coming - they had more officers on standby than for any other AFL game before
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u/Itrlpr Adelaide 3d ago
I've been waiting out the current admin for the last several years, and my passion for the team has mostly been at "detached curiosity" for that entire period. The club's conduct during this entire affair is largely typical of why.
I'd like to say last night and the club's non-reaction made me think less of them, but it doesn't because it's exactly how the club has handled everything since the aftermath of the 2017 grand final. And since ~2020 they've actively cultivated the sort of fan that thinks this is a good thing.
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u/Tessellae Crows 3d ago
Yeah, people who thought the Crow's management were good before this weren't paying attention. The club has always been run like a corrupt fiefdom and always turns even minor fuck ups into calamities.
The players are currently mostly likeable at least.
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u/Justabitbelowaverage Crows 3d ago
I think the way the club has handled these types of issues back to the Tippett scandal have been atrocious.
I want a bit more info on the since 2020 part. Would you be able to explain?
Not interrogating, just I have lived interstate since before then and I haven't seen that kind of cultivation.
Nature of being interstate and only really getting info from Reddit on the team. It is very likely it is happening and I have no idea.
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u/Itrlpr Adelaide 2d ago
It goes back further than the Tippett scandal. Which only happened because they felt the need to pay him under the table, even though the amount was within the salary cap. Which only happened due to pre-existing issues within the club whenever a player who wasn't the captain was highly paid.
Everything before 2020 at least had a "the cover-up is worse than the crime" quality to it. The club knew that it was bad to be seen to have done these things. They were also generally crimes born of wanting quick success. Still terrible, of course.
After the 2019 season imploded, things took a turn. They "moved on" from The Camp(tm) by forcing out the players who complained. Just about actively bragged about forcing out Stengle (who immediately became an all-australian and premiership player outside Adelaide) and Brad Crouch. Completely mishandled Walker's racist abuse, and immediately had him on public radio after his return publicly complaining about his mistreatment. etc.
IMHO this shift also coincides with a shift from the club seeking quick-fix scams, to 12-dimensional chess long-term draft-pick ploys and deliberately terrible squads. But that's purely speculative on my part.
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u/fphhotchips Adelaide 3d ago edited 2d ago
I've never bothered attending at or voting in an AGM before but I'll take a day off this year if I have to. Someone should get an absolute serve over this.
Edit: That said, I suspect they've changed the constitution so you can't do that anymore, which probably says everything it needs to.
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u/Itrlpr Adelaide 2d ago
That said, I suspect they've changed the constitution so you can't do that anymore, which probably says everything it needs to.
Actually the opposite. When they got independence from AFL/SANFL management. There was a transition period (until 2028 I think) where the majority of board members were still appointed. I think in a few years all board positions should be member voted.
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u/LowReplacement9701 3d ago
As the AFL mad 73 year mother of a gay son I was absolutely disgusted by the behaviour of the Adelaide crowd last night. Watching it on the television you don’t have to wonder why no current player in the AFL has come out as gay.
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u/Hairy___Poppins Demons 2d ago
Does Adelaide Oval (all grounds) have an Anti Social Text Number like the MCG?
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u/SuboptimalSquatter Magpies 2d ago
Both the AFL and the Crows have failed every step of the way in this saga, I truly feel for all the LGBT+ players and fans.
I do wonder if they would have had this same reaction if a white player had said a racist slur. We have had some terrible incidents with racism in this game, especially Colliginwood, but everyone seems to be on top of it more now, while homophobia is still a massive part of footy culture.
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u/kyleisamexican Gold Coast 2d ago
I don’t want to shit on what is the correct stance but it’s 3 people that if you read the abc’s summary you would think it’s a huge chunk that’s not going to renew
The so what if all this is: until it is a big chunk of members standing together to pull their money, nothing is happening. Fans and clubs are happy to sit in the somewhat various ignorant positions of “it’s a minority” or “it’s not what the club stands for”
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u/Radiant_Cod8337 Freo 2d ago
I think the fans booed Quaynor because an effeminate man ran to the teachers after he didn't like it when his opponent clapped back.
If he's sensitive about it, him and his team mates shouldn't throw stones (I'm looking at you, Houston).
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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 Crows 3d ago
"It got worse as the game went on. My wife ended up in tears at one point over the whole thing."
Seriously? The Crows response to this has been extremely disappointing and it is being rightly called out by all but if you are letting the words of some moron in the crowd get to you that much you probably need to address your own resilience.
Some of the frenzied responses I've read on this sub (and others) over the past few weeks has been borderline hysterical. It appears most wouldn't be happy until Rankine is publicly tarred and feathered and the Crows are kicked out of the comp.
For what its worth booing is moronic and if you are the sort of person who engages in that behaviour, regardless of motivation, you need to take a good hard look at yourself.
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u/PerriX2390 #Brisbehinds² 3d ago
It appears most wouldn't be happy until Rankine is publicly tarred and feathered and the Crows are kicked out of the comp.
No, people just want the approach by the club to not be absolutely piss-week.
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u/grantspatchcock GWS AFLW 3d ago
A crows fan victim blaming one of their own fans? Wow.
Everyone should feel safe and be safe to go to the footy. Everyone. If they ain't, there's a problem, and it's not the person being made to feel unsafe.
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u/lilguccigay GWS AFLW 3d ago
You don’t get to tell people to address their own “resilience” when it comes to issues like homophobia and racism. Most of us who are impacted by issues like these have to be resilient in most other areas of daily life so when what was previously a neutral space (eg watching finals footy wasnt previously an activity of watching a young black man who was the victim of a homophobic slur be repeatedly boo’d by tens of thousands of opposition fans) suddenly isn’t neutral anymore it might impact someone in unexpected ways.
AFL clubs and fans need to address homophobia and racism not the resilience of people forced to put up with it.
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u/Ektojinx Richmond 3d ago
You don’t get to tell people to address their own “resilience” when it comes to issues like homophobia and racism. Most of us who are impacted by issues like these have to be resilient in most other areas of daily life
He's not saying people who have had racism or homophobia directed at them.
He's talking about the wife of the supporter, Jeff.
She's crying over booing and slurs directed at someone she doesn't know. Its the same vibe as people who go and cry at a memorial when someone famous dies.
Sure be upset, but upset to the point of crying is a little extreme.
This is an example of vicarious trauma and probably needs to be discussed with a professional if its affected her this badly.
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u/ItsABiscuit Collingwood Magpies 3d ago edited 3d ago
Do you know Jeffs wife hasn’t had racist or homophobic abuse directed at her in the past?
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u/Ektojinx Richmond 3d ago
I struggle to believe that if that was the case it wouldn't have been mentioned anywhere.
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u/ItsABiscuit Collingwood Magpies 3d ago
Why? Does someone have to disclose to you their own personal history of trauma before you’ll accept they are allowed to be upset by hearing homophobic abuse being shouted at someone? Maybe don’t leap to the assumption people are just being overly dramatic attention seekers as an automatic response instead of wondering whether they might have a reason for being upset.
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u/Ektojinx Richmond 3d ago
Theres 3 possible scenarios here imo
A) 56 year old Jeff's wife has experienced homophobic abuse in the past.
Question - why would married woman experience homophobic abuse? And to the point where she is bought to tears hearing it?
B) Jeff's wife knows someone who has experienced this
Question - If jeff was so passionate about the subject to ring up, to me it seems unlikely he would not mention any connection.
C) Jeff's wife is highly sensitive/assumed empathy etc which can lead to emotional burnout. Which was OPs point in their initial comment. This is common in society.
To me scenario 3 is the most likely.
We can disagree on that.
But scenario 3 is the one that can cause damage to one's self and needs to be addressed - as was OPs point.
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u/dopedupvinyl Geelong /North AFLW 3d ago
To your first point Bi people exist, just because people seem to be in a hetero coupling doesn't mean they aren't also queer
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u/ItsABiscuit Collingwood Magpies 3d ago
Sssshhh, you’re going to blow his mind.
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u/dopedupvinyl Geelong /North AFLW 3d ago
That's if they still have a mind, some very braindead takes
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u/Ektojinx Richmond 3d ago
Fair point and worth mentioning.
Even with that consideration, imo scenario 3 is still the most likely by a fair margin.
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u/grantspatchcock GWS AFLW 3d ago
Yeah, how dare someone have an emotional reaction in the middle of a hostile, abusive and unsafe environment. Lock em up I say!
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u/Ektojinx Richmond 3d ago
Are you saying its a common reaction to start crying when people are yelling/booing at strangers who you only know from TV?
Not aimed at you, anyone close to you or even an acquaintance. Noone else in the area crying.
A situation you are only connected to via the news cycle.
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u/grantspatchcock GWS AFLW 3d ago
No clearly she is hysterical and belongs in a sanitarium.
Next thing they’ll probably want the vote or equal pay or something, the whole things bloody mad!
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u/Ektojinx Richmond 3d ago
Do you prefer the term hyperbole or strawman?
I never said anything close to that.
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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 Crows 3d ago
I swear before Reddit existed half of this sub must have passed the time arguing with a wall
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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 Crows 3d ago
Apparently you are the only person on this sub to have understood my point here.
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u/Ektojinx Richmond 3d ago
And I got downvoted for it.
I dont get how people read your comment and came to any other conclusion about your point.
Welcome to reddit, where critical thinking is lacking at times and emotional thinking over takes logical thinking.
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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 Crows 3d ago
I agree. My point is that both things can be true. Call it out if you hear it, make a scene, get security, make the perpetrators understand that their behaviour is not tolerated. Idiots who are of the mind to say bigoted shit like this feel empowered when they get a reaction like this. That's my point.
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u/willreview The Dons 3d ago
Exhibit A of the Crows' perpetual victimhood
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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 Crows 3d ago
So challenging the victim mentality of the anecdotes in this article (and throughout this sub) is apparently checks notes …playing the victim. Gotcha
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u/ItsABiscuit Collingwood Magpies 3d ago
It’s almost like you don’t get the fact that some people carry around some significant trauma having copped shit like this throughout their life. You say you agree the behaviour is not ok, but then blame those it upsets for not being resilient enough. It’s a pretty simple minded approach to say “this specific thing would not make me cry, so anyone who is upset by it must be weak”. There would be stuff that would deeply offend you personally that no one else would give a shit about as well, but most people can apply a little empathy.
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I got really upset from the game last night. If you didn't then there's something wrong with you. Tex the racist being cheered while IQ was being booed, it triggered the fuck out of me and I couldn't hate the crows even more than I did before. Also open wounds with Adam Goodes.
If you think football isn't emotional then football isn't for you.
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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 Crows 3d ago
Flair noted. IIRC it was members of your supporter base who threw a banana at Eddie Betts and yet you still support the team? Go figure.
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u/Jimbo_Johnny_Johnson Essendon Bombers 3d ago
Maybe stick to the Adelaide subreddit champ.
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u/Ashamed_Entry_9178 Crows 3d ago
“Oh no, a dissenting view! The status quo of our echo chamber is being threatened!”
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u/First-Fig2954 Swans 3d ago
*a tiny vocal minority on reddit
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u/-NoName12 Adelaide 3d ago
People in this sub need to go touch grass.
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u/First-Fig2954 Swans 3d ago
Insane echo chamber
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u/web_in_front_ Collingwood '90 3d ago
Did you like the booing of Quaynor? Why were the crows fans booing him specifically?
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u/PerriX2390 #Brisbehinds² 3d ago
Instead of writing lame quips and jokes about a serious issue that has been rightly condemned by most in the media and fans alike, how abiut writing a nice long paragraph that it's okay to physically and digitally footy stars inside and outside their plce of employment?
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u/Front_Farmer345 Adelaide 2d ago
Plenty of booing Rayner tonight are we ganging up on Geelong supporters now?
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u/Rangas_rule West Coast 2d ago
What sort of shit take is this?
Rayner was being booked for flopping and for the umpires buying into it!
The two events are not even close in comparison!!
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u/Mister_Snrub15 Adelaide 3d ago
Good work Marnie Vinall