r/AFL • u/willreview The Dons • 4d ago
Maynard brutal tackle & Keays confrontation
Didn't notice this moment at the end of the game. Maynard turns around and gives it to the guy he just crunched, Keays remonstrates immediately. You can even hear the umpire saying "watch Maynard" straight after. Pretty good way to finish such a dominant display off
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u/jmaverick1 Crows 4d ago
Zero issue with the tackle. Play to the siren. Iâm sure Keays has zero issue with it too.
Standing over a bloke youâve hurt and yelling at them isnât great though imo. And I think thatâs what led to the argument
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u/doshajudgement Magpies 4d ago
it's exactly this, I'm surprised so many people are missing the forest for the trees here
respect the fuck out of the tackle (why should he let up? the crows weren't gonna stop til the final siren either), but the timing of the shit talk and mental games is a bit off
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u/jmaverick1 Crows 4d ago
And Keays/pedlar who went over to him wouldâve done so the 3rd minute or the 30th minute. They are allowed to make their point and defend their teammate even if the siren went
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u/doshajudgement Magpies 4d ago
100%
and even as they (and their pies counterparts) were flying the flags at the end of a high pressure final, they all shook hands and de-escalated really well
feels to me like some neutrals are just here to fuel drama after everything with rankine and quaynor the last few weeks
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u/StrathfieldGap Western Bulldogs 3d ago
I was super puzzled that people were ripping into Keays so much for this the other night.
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u/wassailant Pies 4d ago
I dunno it looked to me like he was replying to something. I don't know obviously but that was my take in the moment, and I still think it's possible watching it over a few times.
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u/doshajudgement Magpies 4d ago
honestly, you might be right
but according to my personal lip reading (which has 115% accuracy) he seems to keep saying something about "standing over me"
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u/sgw05 Collingwood 3d ago
Footy is full of fake posturing, sledging etc, literally 120 mins of it. Darcy Moore coughs up a goal, Crows players came from everywhere to get into him. Tex spent the whole night verballing blokes in contests. Its a part of intense finals footy. As long as he hasnât crossed a line with what he said (which nothing has come out about), then I dont see the issue?
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u/ImMalteserMan Adelaide 4d ago
Was a great tackle, reminded me of Roughead on Hannerbury in the 2014 GF.
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u/vaccinationregret Carlton Blues 4d ago
Yep, great tackle but be humble about it, not surprising though from a bloke who knocked out his "friend" and showed very little remorse.
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u/Elcapitan2020 Collingwood Magpies 4d ago
It's been so disconcerting having other flairs support us all day.
I think it's only right we have a "Maynard's a flog" thread to make the universe feel right again
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u/rpfloyd Hawthorn 4d ago
The hit is awesome, the taunt is not. Taunting after the fact needs to be removed from the game, no place for it.
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u/Ridsy28 Collingwood 4d ago
Oh yeah totally letâs be like the nfl and throw a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct and treat the players like robots without any passion.
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u/rpfloyd Hawthorn 4d ago
Assuming you don't actually watch NFL?
They have some of the best celebrations in sport. If the defense get a turnover they all run to the end zone, sit on the ground and pretend they're a train. If a DE gets a huge sack he kicks his foot in the air and screams as loud as he can.
What they don't do is stand over their opponent and shout obscenities about hard they got beaten.
robots without any passion
Huh?
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u/Environmental-Fap 3d ago
Lmao remember the unsociable Hawks. No doubt hodgey and Mitch uttered slurs worse than Rankine's back in the day.
The heat is what made that team great. The addrenaline and dopamine from that hit would be insane.
Tell me you've never succeeded as a competitor without telling me.
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u/rockpharma 3d ago
Yeh let's strip them all of their personality. Let's put them all on antidepressants and make them zombies. Actually let's just get ai powered robots to play the game and take the human element totally out of it. It'll definitely be entertaining then.
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u/hrdballgets Brisbane 4d ago
As a lions fan, Maynard has softened a a bit lately. Love it hahaÂ
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u/TypeJack Collingwood â 4d ago
I've always seen him as a big softy. Actually he's changed a bit over the years. He still bleeds black and white but he's turning into more of a leader these days.
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u/BonusLumpyYa 4d ago
Hold my beer âhere comes Raymorâ
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u/lexirayne03 Eagles 4d ago
Maynard's insistence with the over the top carry-on even when he lays a clean hit (honestly a brilliant one here) is why nobody gives him the benefit of the doubt when he does something that straddles the line between okay and not okay. There's nothing this bloke loves more than physically dominating someone on the footy field.
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u/mattinthehat1 4d ago
What was over the top exactly? Players very often give an extra push or say something to their opponent after laying a hard tackle or chase down. This is not even remotely a âMaynardâ thing.
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u/sarigami Geelong 4d ago
8 seconds left in the game, theyâve won, and he goes back to stand over him and talk shit after a tackle. Normal players donât do this. He is the definition of a flog
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u/UnknownUser4529 Collingwood Magpies 4d ago
Maynard is walking away and then something catches his attention and he turns back. Anything could have been said to him promoting his reaction. We don't know what went on so how can anyone really judge?
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u/CosmoRomano Magpies 3d ago
8 seconds left in the match but 3 weeks left of finals. We could end up playing them in the Grand Final and Maynard knows that. Now he's in Keays' head.
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u/mattinthehat1 4d ago
Donât see Maynardâs watch in this clip? Time is irrelevant, there is massive context to this situation, he didnât get physical. You have no idea the type of commentary thrown around on field and neither do I. For all we know Alex was spouting more slanderous shit.
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u/RampesGoalPost #NepoBabies 4d ago
It's immediately after a centre bounce, there would have been signs on the bench and runners saying games over
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u/Mrchikkin Euro-Yroke 4d ago
There's 8 seconds left in the game. He's won, just let it go.
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u/Kobe_Wan_Ginobili Magpies 4d ago
It's a super heated final and we're a chance to play again very soon, you want to beat em down psychologically as much as possibleÂ
But it's still very riskyÂ
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u/mattinthehat1 4d ago
Massive game, massive context, he doesnât know how long is left. Time is irrelevant here unless all players take a knee.
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u/Salzberger Adelaide 4d ago
Maynard not knowing that the bench holds up 2 minute, 1 minute, 30 seconds, and 15 seconds signs is the biggest scandal here.
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u/mattinthehat1 4d ago
If this happened in the 2nd qtr youâd still be dragging him. I donât agree that the time of the game matters.
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u/Salzberger Adelaide 4d ago
I'm not dragging him. I said in another comment it's a fair hit.
I'm simply making fun of your claim he doesn't know how long is left.
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u/Husky-Mum7956 Collingwood 2d ago
It doesnât matter how long is in the game⌠you play to the end. How many times has a game been won or lost in the last couple of seconds of a game or even after the siren.
Iâm pretty sure there would be massive fallout if players stopped putting in because there was only 8 seconds left & it cost them the game.
And crows fans have short memories⌠only a few weeks ago thanks to a âthrowâ that resulted in a goal and potentially cost us the game. Did those 2 crow players stop & say oops that was a throw, well give back that goal and giveaway a free kick. Hardly⌠but they knew they got away with one and laughed in our faces about it!
Thilthorpe deliberately kicked the ball away with less than 60 seconds on the clock.
Crows fans say thereâs nothing in it⌠itâs footy and annoying as it is at the time it is footy. Same with the Maynard (brilliant) tackle and the chat afterwards.
It is footy!
Itâs footy
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u/Magpies_and_Maples Magpies 4d ago
Like the Adelaide crowd did? Or the radio hosts through the day? Or the club in general for weeks? Cop the hit, itâs within the rules and doesnât require âmedical reasonsâ to explain. There was heat in this game, so if Collingwood players felt comfortable burying a bloke then cop it I say.
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u/DickValentine66 4d ago
Crunching someone in a fair strong tackle and moving on, compared to carrying on at them while they're on the ground is what separates a good tough footballer from a flog
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u/yum122 Bombers 4d ago edited 4d ago
Maynardâs a flog in general but there isnât much in this
Dominated them all night in a very fiery matchup following a very fiery matchup 2-3 weeks ago, youâd expect the same shit slinging of the situation was reversed. Maynardâs a known quantity at this point
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u/laserframe Cats 4d ago
Its the sort of hit you expect in the first min of a final, not 10 seconds left when you are 4 goals up.
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u/doshajudgement Magpies 4d ago
the crows were still giving it everything in the last 10 seconds, why shouldn't we?
but tbh I don't think anyone had a problem with the tackle, the consternation was for standing over him in that situation, like 10 seconds before you're supposed to shake hands and say good game... and I'd be shitty too tbh, I get it
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u/doshajudgement Magpies 4d ago
condone tackling in a contact sport and not condoning racism or homophobia, that is correct
if that's typical collingwood then fuck, I've picked the right team haven't I
you alright?
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u/thegreekfreakkk Adelaide 3d ago
condone a violent potential injury tackle in garbage time of a match that is already won is worse than racism or homophobia? yeah you collingwood fans are so sick and twisted, act all high and mighty, BUT your club booed goodes because that girl was racist to him, do better report (systematic racism), JOFFA.....BUTTTTT ohh good ole collingwood forever!
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u/doshajudgement Magpies 4d ago
did... did you mean to reply to me? your comment has fuck all to do with mine
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u/Plenty-Pangolin3987 Brisbane Lions đ '24 4d ago
Heâs stuck copying and pasting this comment everywhere
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u/bigdograllyround Collingwood Magpies 4d ago
Easy way to prevent it is not let Collingwood be goals up with 10 seconds left.Â
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u/Brilliant_Support653 3d ago
This is the last thing a coach wants in the mentality of any elite sportsperson.
We are winning, there is not much time on the board, my defensive enforcer decides to not tackle...
This tackle would be celebrated by the group as what this team stands for. Relentless pressure until the final whistle regardless of the scoreboard.
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u/regional_rat Pies 4d ago
Nah, it's why people think Maynard is a flog, they don't know how to send a message.
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u/Duc_K Essendon Bombers 4d ago
I mean there was no need with 2 seconds left on the clock
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u/pedleyr 4d ago
At what point would it be OK? 3 seconds? 30? 3 minutes?
To me I see no issue with playing to the siren.
I understand why Adelaide players would be angry about him standing over a player on the ground talking shit, but they really don't have a right to be angry about the tackle itself.
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u/zircosil01 Saints 4d ago
i loved that shit - was fair contact, made a statement, put an exclamation point on the victory. If Maynard wants to talk shit afterwards who cares.
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u/JesterMillerton 4d ago
everyone cared in the match thread when keays had the audacity to stand up for his teammate. calling him a flog and more
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u/SamuelQuackenbush Hawthorn 4d ago
Yep, Maynard cops a lot of flak but everyone would love him on their team. He is a genuine hard footballer.
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u/Airley Adelaide 4d ago
Far out mate. Some of us just want to move on from this and go back to complaining about controversial umpiring calls. Keep these putrid thoughts to yourself
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u/Justabitbelowaverage Crows 4d ago
Honestly, we had a bad patch of about a year of real bad controversial calls. But that seems over now.
This year has been the normal level of bad calls I have felt. I like it.
That end of 2023-start of 2024 felt like a conspiracy. Glad it has stopped.
I wanna get back to the knitting and apricot slice
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u/Educational-Age-8969 Port Adelaide 4d ago
I mean it was a great tackle but when youâre clearly going through to the prelim and how the AFL adjudge any tackle that results in a concussion/potential to cause injury, it was a risky move.
The stand over tactics after were a bit over the top and good on Keays for standing up for a team mate.
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u/IslaTecha 4d ago
Yeah ol mate was a bit of a sook about it hey
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u/Kobe_Wan_Ginobili Magpies 4d ago
Was Keays the one Maynard tackled? I thought Keays was just the one sticking up for whoever it was
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u/Salzberger Adelaide 4d ago
ANB copped the hit, Keays passed to him. Keays didn't seem to have too much of an issue with it until Maynard went back to spray something at ANB.
It's whatever. Hit was fair. Hard to know who's the dick without knowing what Maynard said.
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u/Notacop187 Magpies 4d ago
footy player tackles other player âwow canât believe he tackled him what a flogâ
Yeah righto
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u/Puzzleheaded_Gas_699 Power 4d ago
People who hate on this type of stuff never played any sort of meaningful competitive sport and it really shows
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u/TheVision_13 Magpies 4d ago
Maynard lays a sick tackle and talks his shit about it but have a sook lmao
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u/JesterMillerton 4d ago
keays was standing up for his teammate maynard tackled. probs because of what maynard yelled down at neal bullen
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u/Overall-Palpitation6 4d ago
Lit him up like an edge rusher sacking a quarterback. Awesome stuff, just in time for the start of the NFL season.
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u/HumbersBall Collingwood Magpies 4d ago
People on this sub love to take offence. Big tackle and then he had a word about it, seems like a pretty normal thing to do. Youâd love him if he was one of yours
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u/sgw05 Collingwood 3d ago
100% your last line is true. Always loved Bruz and everything he brings. Genuine heart and soul. If he played for anyone else Iâd dislike him. Like Toby Greene, and many other cult players before them
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u/HumbersBall Collingwood Magpies 3d ago
Exactly, toby greene is the example. Much grubbier than Maynard, I bet gws fans quite like him
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u/Glittering_Advance56 4d ago
Not a Pies fan but Iâd have Maynard in my team every day of the week!
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u/Dajamman93 4d ago
If your have never played senior footy you wouldnât understand Maynardâs approach
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u/Kobe_Wan_Ginobili Magpies 4d ago edited 4d ago
It was such a satisfying exclamation point on the victory after such a heated contest but jeez I wish he wouldn't take a pointless risk like that! If Neal-Bullen had hit his head on the ground and got concussed Maynard would be out even tho the hit/tackle itself was clean
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u/ChemicalRaccoon North Melbourne 4d ago edited 4d ago
Nah, all he would I needed to do is buy him a bottle of wine and all he would get is a fine.
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u/Vinnie_Vegas Magpies 4d ago
He didn't get a fine for that, because that action was legal under the rules he was playing under.
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u/Anon_be_thy_name West Coast '94 4d ago edited 3d ago
Pssh, they wouldn't suspend him anyway. Too big of a name at too big of a club, not saying that because he's Collingwood, Cats and Hawks would probably have it similar.
And if they did suspend him, he could just use the Rankine method about his mental health being affected by potentially missing the GF to get it lowered to just one game.
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u/3mperorPalpatine 3d ago
I love keays but this wasnât his moment nor his day. Gotta let it go and look to next week
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u/phoenixfyre5 Essendon 2d ago
Keays showing more fight after the siren than during the entire actual game.
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u/Glittering_Advance56 4d ago
Maynard is great, every team would take him.
Brutal or two teams playing a different brand of footy?
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u/woodie1717 Dees 4d ago
Whilst legal, Iâm not sure we want to see tackles to this effect given the terrible ramifications it could have. I donât necessarily have the solution here but I understand why Adelaide would take exception to it.
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u/regional_rat Pies 4d ago
The AFL penalizes result, never action. Absolutely nothing wrong with this.
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u/dollabillgates Collingwood '90 4d ago
Weak? He levelled another footballer and stood over him thatâs tough as hell bro wtf u talking about
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u/GreenArr0w Adelaide '97 4d ago
Bit poor form after crunching a guy at the end of his 200th.
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u/mattinthehat1 4d ago
Laid a hard tackle in a very heated match, hostile environment, against a bloke who was at the pies players all night. Not to mention the Quaynor carry on they were copping over the fence all night.
People acting like he walked up and hit him again.
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u/raven-eyed_ Hawthorn 4d ago
Yeah it's hard not to think that the Quaynor situation fuelled it. I think Maynard is probably a guy who doesn't think I'm the best of the moment.
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u/BustedWing Pies 4d ago
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u/legally_blond Brisbane AFLW 4d ago
Neale Bullen (playing his 200th) was the player he took out, not Keays
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u/Sure_Requirement_750 Melbourne 3d ago
Interesting that nobody has raised the issue that maybe Maynardâs tackle was a dangerous one.
Iâd like to see it from a couple of different angles but itâs certainly âbrutalâ, no question. The game was all but over but surely a free kick should have been awarded and the incident subjected to further scrutiny. As for the standover, what a flog.
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u/Vinnie_Vegas Magpies 4d ago
Probably the one, which was ruled a football accident with no case to answer for, so arguably zero.
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u/Gods-Defence Brisbane Lions đ '24 4d ago
Was it also him who had the 2 back to back in a similar spot in the field earlier in the game?