r/Abkhazia • u/Capital-Wrongdoer-62 • 8d ago

How History is taught in Abkhazia?

In georgia we are taught that Apsua North Caucasian people came from mountains to abkhaz land in 15th- century when georgia was fractured and weak. Main argument is that Abkhaz kingdom was feudal already in 9th century while Apsua in 19th century russia are still in tribal system. And also their is no sign of etnic or language difference in abkazia before 15th- century

Just want to know what you think about it and what you are taught. And what are you arguments. Not to fight or say that i am right you are wrong.

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u/Grouchy_Detective880 8d ago

The "Abazgi" were an ancient tribe and the historical inhabitants of the region known today as Abkhazia. Their name gave rise to the modern demonym "Abkhaz". They are considered ancestors of the modern Abkhaz and Abazin people and were documented by ancient Greek and Roman writers like Strabo and Pliny the Elder.

Can you show me the original sources (in English or Russian) and where (page, line) this information is written?

And why do you assume that the Abazgi people originally spoke Abkhazian, not the Georgian (Kartvelian) language?

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u/Rafsit 8d ago

"Abasgoi - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abasgoi#:~:text=The%20Abasgoi%20or%20Abasgians%20(Ancient,however%20suppressed%20the%20Abasgian%20revolt.&text=By%20the%206th%20century%20Abasgia,name%20%C2%ABabasgi%2C%20abaza%C2%BB.

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u/Grouchy_Detective880 8d ago

Don't understand me incorrectly, but I don't think Wikipedia can be considered as "original source". Wikipedia isn't a collection of scientific articles that can be quoted or used as proof, as anyone can edit it as they wish. My lecturer of History got veeery angry when he saw articles from Wikipedia used as references to something (we weren't even from History or a similar faculty).

When I commented, I expected lines from the books of Strabo or Pliny the Elder:)

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u/LividBumblebee6873 8d ago

Wikipedia is sourcing all its content, so it can be looked up too, right?

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u/Grouchy_Detective880 8d ago

And did you look them up?

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u/LividBumblebee6873 8d ago

I didn't, but I also didn't write the comment, so I don't feel I have to. If you are interested if the source is credible than you can check it. It is there

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u/Grouchy_Detective880 7d ago

I understand your point, and you are right. You can follow the references.

But, in general, you can't trust Wikipedia in many cases, as I can just edit it and write anything I want.

+ I checked sources in shared articles, but they are referring to other modern historians.

I was asking about Strabon. Because, as far as I remember, we don't know much about Abazgi from his work, except for their geographical locations.