r/Abkhazia 8d ago

How History is taught in Abkhazia?

In georgia we are taught that Apsua North Caucasian people came from mountains to abkhaz land in 15th- century when georgia was fractured and weak. Main argument is that Abkhaz kingdom was feudal already in 9th century while Apsua in 19th century russia are still in tribal system. And also their is no sign of etnic or language difference in abkazia before 15th- century

Just want to know what you think about it and what you are taught. And what are you arguments. Not to fight or say that i am right you are wrong.

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u/Grouchy_Detective880 8d ago

The "Abazgi" were an ancient tribe and the historical inhabitants of the region known today as Abkhazia. Their name gave rise to the modern demonym "Abkhaz". They are considered ancestors of the modern Abkhaz and Abazin people and were documented by ancient Greek and Roman writers like Strabo and Pliny the Elder.

Can you show me the original sources (in English or Russian) and where (page, line) this information is written?

And why do you assume that the Abazgi people originally spoke Abkhazian, not the Georgian (Kartvelian) language?

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u/Rafsit 8d ago

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u/Grouchy_Detective880 8d ago

Don't understand me incorrectly, but I don't think Wikipedia can be considered as "original source". Wikipedia isn't a collection of scientific articles that can be quoted or used as proof, as anyone can edit it as they wish. My lecturer of History got veeery angry when he saw articles from Wikipedia used as references to something (we weren't even from History or a similar faculty).

When I commented, I expected lines from the books of Strabo or Pliny the Elder:)

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u/Rafsit 8d ago

Direct Quote from Strabo, Geography 11.2.14 (Loeb Classical Library translation by H.L. Jones, with minor updates for clarity) "Next after the Colchians one comes to the Achaei and the Zygii, then the Heniochi, and then the Cercetae, who are an offshoot of the Zygii and extend as far as the Acharians. After the Acharians one comes to the Sanigae, the Bithynians, the Bechiri, the Zygodes, the Cercetae, the Phoristae, the Corymbi, the Anacleti, the Phthiotae, the Byzeres, the Rhyndacitae, the Armanzi, the Moschi, and the Colchians again. The tribes between Dioscurias and Pityus are savage, and live on the fruits of the forest, using the so-called 'Pontic tree' for their beds, tables, and drinking-cups, and smearing their bodies with oil of the sea-walnut. They are a warlike people, and although they have kings, they nevertheless fight in a lawless manner. After Pityus comes Dioscurias, with seventy communities, which were reduced to a single town by Pompey. It has a port and a dockyard. The Apsilae, the Abasgi, and the Sanigae come next. The Abasgi are said to live on the banks of the Abascus River, which flows into the Euxine. They are a savage race, who worship trees and supply many eunuchs to the kings of Pontus and the emperors of Rome." (Note: The exact wording varies slightly across translations due to textual variants in the Greek manuscripts, such as the 10th-century Parisinus gr. 1397. The Loeb edition is standard, but modern translations like Duane W. Roller's 2014 edition render it similarly, emphasizing the Abasgians' location and customs. Strabo's original Greek for the tribe is "Ἁβάσγοι" [Habaskoi].)