r/Abkhazia • u/Capital-Wrongdoer-62 • 8d ago

How History is taught in Abkhazia?

In georgia we are taught that Apsua North Caucasian people came from mountains to abkhaz land in 15th- century when georgia was fractured and weak. Main argument is that Abkhaz kingdom was feudal already in 9th century while Apsua in 19th century russia are still in tribal system. And also their is no sign of etnic or language difference in abkazia before 15th- century

Just want to know what you think about it and what you are taught. And what are you arguments. Not to fight or say that i am right you are wrong.

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u/Mikheil3004 8d ago

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/D%27Anville._Carte_huil%C3%A9e_de_la_G%C3%A9orgie_et_de_l%27Arm%C3%A9nie.XVIIIe_si%C3%A8cle.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_maps_of_the_Caucasus#/media/File:Gastaldi-2.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_maps_of_the_Caucasus#/media/File:Gastaldi.jpg

The old maps are also nonsense?! Today's Abkhazian territory has always belonged to the Georgians, which is why you only find Georgian cherries in present-day Abkhazia. How do you explain that?

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Yes, almost all of the medieval maps are considered to have many inaccuracies. It is ignorant to think and make claims otherwise.

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u/Mikheil3004 7d ago

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Abraham_Ortelius_-_Tvrcici_imperii_descriptio.jpg

Only the maps from the last century give you precise information about where the Absuas live in present-day Abkhazian territory. Is it also all nonsense to you that the Mengrelen built a wall against you because you repeatedly attacked them and burned down the villages?

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

So this is also what they teach about Kelasuri wall?

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u/Mikheil3004 7d ago

Yuri Voronov), a well-known Abkhazian historian and archaeologist, examined the Abkhazian wall in 1966-1971 and proposed a new date of its construction. According to Voronov, Prince of Mingrelia, Levan II Dadiani built Kelasuri Walls between 1628 and 1653 to protect his fiefdom from the Abkhaz invasions (though at that time Principality of Abkhazia was a nominal vassal of Mingrelia). Per Voronov's work the embrasures in the wall were made for firearms; he also quoted Georgian historian Vakhushti and Italian missionary Arcangelo Lamberti who both wrote about the wall built by Megrelian princes for protection from the Abkhaz.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah all this claims are well known but there is no solid evidence that it was built by Megrelian princes. It is most probably much more older than that. You are just copy pasting from Wikipedia. Why don't you copy paste other half? This shows how you handle information. Again not your fault. It is surprising that Education level in Abkhazia is much more advanced.