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u/corgi-king 5d ago
Double faults. This guy should have his eyes and brain checked.
He failed to see both the pedestrian signs with crosswalk and the pedestrian. And he catch the wrong biker.
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u/MrBoblo 5d ago
You're not concerned at all about how the car driver hit a pedestrian at a crosswalk, then stops the car to beat them up more?
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u/Vladi-Barbados 5d ago
Are you having a stroke? Go read that again and delete your comment.
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u/MrBoblo 5d ago
it stays but i did in fact misunderstand the comment 😔i thought he was saying it was the fault of the pedestrian
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u/bucknut4 4d ago
Out of respect for you owning it, I gave your comment an upvote to offset the negative 563
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u/The_Real_Kuji 4d ago
Hey man, you're one of the few that own when you made a mistake. Fuckin proud of you for admitting you misunderstood and leaving it up.
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u/KrystilizeNeverDies 5d ago
I think they read the comment correctly, and was pointing out that the fact that they were ready to beat them up again is more concerning than the fact that they misidentified the pedestrian.
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u/Vladi-Barbados 5d ago
They said they misread.
To be honest I think both are equally at fault, cyclists came into street without any care for their own life, driver was going too fast and not paying attention, at least he tried to swerve. The follow up reaction is just pathetically insane.
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u/KrystilizeNeverDies 5d ago
Ah, okay thanks for the extra info Just for clarification could you link me to the message that said that they misread? Thanks
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u/Vladi-Barbados 5d ago
Bro you couldn’t just scroll? https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/s/7mDRy76bIU
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u/SavvySillybug 5d ago
That's a good point, but what about the guy who hit a pedestrian at a crossing and then tried to beat them up about it?
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u/one_up_onedown 5d ago
OK but did you not see the guy in the car who hit a bike and then tried to beat up someone else?
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u/Naive_Product_5916 5d ago
So we know he got the wrong guy, but what he was gonna beat up the cyclist walking his bike!?!
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u/The_Great_Cartoo 4d ago edited 4d ago
Across a path every car has to yield too. This guy already had a high chance of getting sued for that but decided to help the pedestrian out so the claims would stick better and the compensation becomes worth it
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u/Pikaael 5d ago
Anyone know the aftermath of this old video? Did the driver got his penalty?
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u/UnHumChun 5d ago
Yep. The death penalty.
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u/Squeakysquid0 5d ago
This asshole was paying such little attention that he didn't even know who the hell he hit....
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u/Scorpion2k4u 5d ago
I am kind of impressed that the cyclists walked his bike across the crosswalk. Respect! The driver of the car is blind and stupid.
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u/Mogsetsu 5d ago
That’s because, by doing so, all traffic is required to come to a complete stop and yield to them. Not only does the traffic need to stop, but they should slow in advance and have to actively look for anyone looking as if they intend to cross. Cycling across the crosswalk would have consequences for the cyclist.
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u/mathisfakenews 5d ago edited 5d ago
I'm just here to watch the flood of redditors blaming the guy on the bicycle for being hit......in a crosswalk.
Edit: And within moments I have numerous replies all telling me why the cyclist is at fault. Am I clairvoyant or are videos of cyclists/pedestrians being hit by cars just catnip for morons? Who knows.
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u/Zealousideal-Pen993 5d ago
Right, if the cyclist was actually riding and got hit like that he probably would’ve got smashed or run over. Instead he is able to “ole” the bike and swing it around.
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u/3Fatboy3 5d ago
You should have come for the flood of redditors who didn't see that he is walking the bike.
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u/jack_deemus 5d ago
Even if he wasn't on a bike, at that speed the car would have hit anyone.
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u/anomalous_cowherd 5d ago
He just had no intention of stopping at the crossing at all.
I'm in the UK and we do stop at crossings here if someone is waiting (well 99% of us do). But when I was in Portugal I stopped at a crossing to let a mother with a pushchair across and she just looked embarrassed and waved at me to carry on. I guess they just wait for a large enough gap there and run for it.
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u/anna_lu_06 5d ago
Everyone in Portugal stops to let people cross the road, if they are in a crosswalk of course.
We just have the habit of thanking the driver for stopping and acknowledging us, by waving.
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u/anomalous_cowherd 5d ago
This one didn't, she just looked worried and waved me past. This was quite a while ago, maybe it's better now.
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u/anna_lu_06 5d ago
It might be that also
There's also some people that just get uncomfortable "making" people wait...
I know cause I'm on of them, and sometimes i also look embarrassed if I'm on the crosswalk
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u/trivial_vista 5d ago
Agreed every time I see someone driving pretty fast I just assume he needs to look for a toilet or something and let the person go it’s merry way
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u/enwongeegeefor 5d ago
There's also some people that just get uncomfortable "making" people wait...
Or it's just having respect for your fellow humans you ALSO live around. If you are "making" someone else wait and you don't need to, the respectful ones of us notice such things.
I've noticed something very interesting about human behavior at crosswalks...specifically because our city is phenomenally stupid with "pedestrian safety," having attempted to put almost 100% of all safety responsibility on vehicle drivers and remove it from pedestrians.
Quick rundown of what they did so you can understand: STATE LAW for crosswalks is that you must stop if someone is waiting to cross at one....you know, how it is MOST of the places in the world for crosswalks. Know what OUR city did? Made the law state that if you SEE a person simply APPROACHING the crosswalk you need to stop for them. This literally told pedestrians "you don't need to look when crossing." To no one's surprise we literally had TWO pedestrian fatalities in the first year, both caused when someone charged out into the crosswalk during traffic without even looking. You can look at pedestrian fatalities overtime going back decades here....you can clearly see an increase in fatalities when the new law took effect, and it continued to rise.
So yeah....back to what I've noticed about human behavior at crosswalks because we have A LOT of them and they are used. Some people will speed up their gait and walk a little faster if they are causing you to stop for them. OTHER people will slowdown as they cross so as to make you wait. Most people don't do either and are oblivious. I feel it is another social litmus test for folks, like putting your cart back at the market.
Just try to be the person that walks a little faster....cause you'll also be the person that sees and stops for the person waiting to use the crosswalk.
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u/GaiusVictor 5d ago
It's also possible she was intending to cross, hence being at a crosswalk, but then something happened and decided not to at that specific moment, so she waved to have you not wait for her.
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u/trivial_vista 5d ago
Same as I noticed in France people overall drive pretty je m’en fou there but at a crossing they definitely stop and wait for you to cross the road even if it doesn’t seem like it
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u/XxRocky88xX 5d ago
You can guarantee that if there is ever a video of a cyclist being hit, regardless of the circumstances, regardless of the laws, people will blame the cyclist.
You could have someone with a bicycle sitting on a park bench and a drunk driver who is texting with both hands off the wheel could blast over the sidewalk and through a fence to hit the cyclist and people will still say “Guy should’ve seen that coming and dodged, I don’t care about the laws, cyclists should be more aware.”
Which I find funny because if you took 90% of “cyclist getting hit and the driver is at fault” clips on the internet and just took away the bicycle, people would agree the driver is at fault. But nah since this guy owns a bike he deserves it.
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u/soulcaptain 4d ago
This isn't really about cycling, though. He was just walking the bike across, so the same as being a pedestrian. I assume he had the right of way, so legally the cyclist is in the right, the driver's in the wrong. But it's incredibly stupid not to at least look both ways before crossing.
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u/XxRocky88xX 4d ago
Read the comments replying to OC, plenty of people are saying he’s at fault because he has a bike with him.
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u/soulcaptain 4d ago edited 3d ago
It's a crosswalk, but even 5-year-olds know that you look both ways before crossing, especially for a fast street like that one. The bicyclist didn't look at all.
EDIT: Legally, the biker (or really, pedestrian) has the right of way. I'm saying it's stupid to assume people will yield for you just because it's the law. There are a lot of idiot drivers out there. In that situation I would assume anyone driving up to that intersection is one of those idiots, and take the necessary precautions. Namely, stopping and waiting.
EDIT2: I guess I am victim-blaming in a way. But would you tell your child "you have the right of way, so just go. Don't bother looking left or right."? I would guess no on that one.
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u/Thekilldevilhill 4d ago
So what, the driver has to yield. The guy crossing was walking with his bike
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u/Chewe_dev 5d ago edited 5d ago
In my country, legally if you cross the crosswalk on bicycle and the car hits you, you are the one to blame.
Morally I think the opposite unless you are a biker that cross sith 35 km/h, that makes you an idiot. But laws are laws
Edit: the car is at fault 110%
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u/Hostile-Panda 5d ago
It looks like he’s walking it across from the way the bike flys away but he remains standing
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u/Chewe_dev 5d ago
Yeah, exactly. Sorry I didn't make it clear. Was just explaining a similar scenario if the biker was actually on the byke
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u/Nirast25 5d ago
Well, I wasn't gonna say anything, but since you brought it up:
If you're gonna cross the street, LOOK BOTH WAYS AND WAIT FOR TRAFFIC TO STOP!!! I don't give a rat's ass if you have right of way, if the law sides with you, or if an angel tells you it's safe to cross! Sometimes drivers don't pay attention, and between a 70kg sack of meat and 2 tons of metal, you'll be the one who'll die! Ans at that point, only Saint Peter will give a fuck about who's in the right!
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u/christhetree 5d ago
At the speed the driver was driving looking both ways before starting to cross was probably not enough to see this coming.
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u/tantomar 5d ago
Do you stop your car and make sure one of those inattentive drivers aren't coming to t-bone you at every intersection as well or does that rule only apply to pedestrians? What about highways, do you stop and check every time there's a merging lane?
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u/Nirast25 5d ago
My chances of surviving a t-bone are significantly higher than they are a direct hit.
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u/XxRocky88xX 5d ago
Ah yes the classic “I make up rules for people to follow but since I am in a car, they don’t apply to me.”
Next time you run over someone in a crosswalk just tell the judge “he should’ve seen me coming and not used the crosswalk tbh” I’m sure it’ll go well.
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u/Nirast25 5d ago edited 5d ago
Not remotely what I said. I still follow the rules. I look for pedestrians. I let them pass if needed. I know the law and I respect it.
Doesn't change the fact that THE PEDESTRIAN should CHECK THE ROAD and not cross the damn walk like it's got some magical force field that makes them indestructible! It's in their best interest to be cautious. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
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u/alternaivitas 4d ago
Some people don't want to live in fear. You can reasonably expect that cars don't want to hit you, so they slow down if they see you even if they didn't want to yield. And yes, it's risky, but who cares in certain situations? It's not black and white, some ppl won't always be afraid of cars.
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u/Nirast25 4d ago
What fear? This about fear, this is about common sense! Cars are a potential hazard when crossing the street, so look for them. It's like tripping on a log while hiking because you couldn't be bothered to check your surroundings.
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u/alternaivitas 4d ago
Cars are operated by humans unlike a log in the forest. I expect drivers to have common sense and check their surroundings as well. I expect not to get hit.
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u/Nirast25 4d ago
If your foolproof plan is for the fool to not be fooling around, you're the biggest fool around. You can expect people to not want to hit you all you want, it only needs for one of them to not meet your expectations (not on purpose, and through no fault of your own) for your life to end. Safe tavels.
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u/Ryfusion_25 5d ago
A crosswalk doesn't necessarily always give pedestrians the right a way. There are levels to this shit.
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u/Ova-9000 5d ago
Wdym?
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u/Ryfusion_25 5d ago
Sometimes there are lights that you have to wait to turn red or green. And some other times there aren't traffic lights but yellow flashing lights that will start flashing when someone at the crosswalk hits a button indicating that it should be safe for them to walk and cars should be yielding. Sure, were not all from America but how do people not know about this?
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u/noineikuu 5d ago
There are no lights here. The car must give way to the cyclist.
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u/XxRocky88xX 5d ago
Sometimes there’s a speed limit and cars can’t go over it.
Sometimes there’s a stop sign and people have to stop at it.
Sometimes there’s a turning lane and people have to use it to turn.
Sometimes I, like you, enjoy naming off random traffic laws that have nothing to do with the situation.
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u/feel_my_balls_2040 5d ago
OK, so what does the driving code that you learned from say about unprotected pedestrian crossing? Or, you don't know what are those.
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u/ra2ri 5d ago
I don't normally start crossing until I see the driver slow, make eye contact, wave or flash lights. As a driver i do this for others without thinking.
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u/TheKyleBrah 5d ago
I'm so paranoid thanks to numerous Crosswalk jumpers that I witness every day, that I wait for both the leading car and the one tailgating it to come to a stop. 😬
I've seen someone get pancaked because the tailgating vehicle didn't stop in time, dominoing the lead vehicle into the pedestrian (who had right of way.)
I also do as you say, making eye-contact with the driver and getting "permission" from the driver to cross. A simple "Hi, I see you" gesture is VERY comforting, haha
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u/alcoronaholic 5d ago
The problem is, that that's common sense... and people really don't have that anymore. It's not common to be sensible.
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u/SomebodyInNevada 4d ago
Exactly. Do not walk in front of a vehicle whose driver has not given some indication that he is aware of you. Being right but dead isn't good.
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u/freesoloc2c 5d ago
Why did he stop the motorcycle?
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u/harryspotter123 5d ago
Because he’s an idiot and thought it was the same guy ‘getting away’
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u/ThatKinkyLady 5d ago
I don't get why this asshole driver's first instinct is to assault someone he thinks he just hit rather than... See if that person is ok?
Society is so broken, man. And dude so dumb he didn't even assault the guy he intended to. 🤦♀️
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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 5d ago
If I thought someone was fleeing an accident, my concern for their health is immediately drastically lowered.
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u/XxRocky88xX 5d ago
Bro if I ever hit a pedestrian and the pedestrian decided to just leave instead of suing me I’d be thanking god. Dude thought he was being given a golden ticket and his ego said “nah this guy interrupted me by using the crosswalk, time to assault him.”
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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 5d ago
I think he just mixed up bikers and wanted to stop him from leaving the scene.
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u/Nicodemus888 5d ago
Likely he was texting or something and didn’t even see it was a cyclist he hit, and assumed it was the motorbike
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u/Shot-Election8217 5d ago
That’s not how Volvo drivers are supposed to behave…
Bet he’d borrowed that car from a friend….
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u/LousyReputation7 5d ago
Benefit of weather a helmet and gear is you can take punches. Id had have fucking levelled the guy if i was on the motorbike.
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u/Detozi 5d ago
The amount of videos ive seen where someone tries to start a fight with someone wearing a motorbike helmet. That fucker is wearing head armour, he ain't losing that fight lol.
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u/Easy_Needleworker604 5d ago
There are plenty of videos of it going poorly for the helmet wearer. If you’re not used to being in fights and you’re wearing a helmet fighting someone who is it’s a pretty big disadvantage. They’re a giant handle for your head, which means they can move you where they want you and hurt your neck in the process. Motorcycle helmets are also heavy enough they would make it harder to get off the ground quickly, and they reduce your hearing and peripheral vision.
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u/Fastoche 4d ago
Am i the only one that thought that it was a hit and run followed by a motorcycle hijacking?
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u/TheKyleBrah 5d ago
I'm all about right of way, and that guy absolutely had the right to cross alongside his bike...
But personally, in a battle of Car Vs Flesh, I lose even if I (or my next-of-kin!) win the legal battle. So I'm that annoying Crosswalker who explicitly waits for all vehicles to be fully stopped complete with "permission" from the lead Vehicle Driver to cross. (In a sort of "Hi, I see you" confirmation.) 😅
I'm sorry, but the Flesh is Weak... 😵
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u/marshall19 4d ago
lol, I love that the driver actually thought the biker was planning to be apart of a get hit and run.
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u/kn0mthis 3d ago
Right place, right time... To headbutt someone with your helmet on... That deserved it. :-x /s?
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u/crazylegsbobo 1d ago
Lmao, I wish we could have seen the rest of this because it deffo should end with a cyclist and motorcyclist kicking this guy's head in
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u/FloridaHeat2023 5d ago
in the US - that would be felony assault, battery and kidnapping on the innocent biker - any criminal consequences in the EU?
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u/christhetree 5d ago
Am I the only one who feels like the car was chasing/trying to stop the motorcyclist before accident? That would explain the speed and lack of attention on whats in front of the car, as well as the grabbing of the motorcylist.
Maybe roadrage, a thief, a hit and run or something along the lines. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/countessofole 5d ago
But the motorcycle was behind him.
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u/christhetree 5d ago
If you wanna stop someone overtaking them to cut them of seems like a likely choice.
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u/sofiamariam 4d ago
Even the if that car was chasing the motorbike for some reason, which he almost certainly wasn’t, it doesn’t change the fact that he was still driving recklessly and almost hurt someone.
And the reason he very much wasn’t chasing him is because that biker seemed to be in 0 hurry. If he was being chased by this crazy dude in a car he definitely wouldn’t have driven past him so close while going slower than a snail. He’s literally on a motorcycle, so he could have easily went past him by going around him properly and driving faster. I don’t see a world in which some regular dude in a car is able to cut a bike off or even overtake them on an open road like this.
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u/Buff_biscuit 5d ago
Traffic actively moving, I’d say it’s the pedestrians fault for not looking both ways. the vehicle didn’t even have time to slow down. When I first watched it thought it would turn into an insurance fraud vid.
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u/deadcarrote 5d ago
You should never walk into a crosswalk with a car approaching as fast as he was. Drivers don't expect people starting into their paths like that. The white car was almost on track to hit him too. You don't see his brake lights till the Volvo swerves
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u/contentatlast 5d ago
Cyclists genuinely should have waited. Obviously if a car is going 30mph like 10m from the crossing you have to wait as it is more dangerous for it to slam on the brakes so close to the crossing.
You can't just cross whenever. Use your brain 😂 proving a point is not worth risking your life for.
Always wait for cars to stop. End of.
Technically, on paper, is the cars fault though, because it is the law to stop at a crossing like that.
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u/enrikot 5d ago
It's the car faul. End of. The rest of your assumptions don't count
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u/contentatlast 5d ago
On paper they don't, but in real life - yknow... the world we actually inhabit - they really do lol
Enjoy your broken leg while I take an extra 2 seconds for the car to stop
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u/Threegratitudes 5d ago
Dude got hit by a car and you're saying the factors leading to that don't count? You'd step into a crosswalk when a car is driving 30 mph 10 m away and just expect them to stop because you have the right of way? You wouldn't even think, "man, that guy is NOT slowing down at all"?
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u/enrikot 4d ago
Well, I also don't blame a woman for the clothes she wear if someone rape her. I mean, I don't blame the victim.
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u/Threegratitudes 4d ago
Not at all comparable since this is a pay-attention-to-surroundings type situation. If you're going to live your life assuming/expecting those around you to do the right thing you're gonna have a bad time.
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u/contentatlast 5d ago
Apparently so lmao, it seems people don't care about their health as long as they "win the argument"... for some reason :/ very silly if you ask me
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u/AdAdministrative3706 5d ago
Driver is definitely at fault but can we acknowledge that the cyclists definitely did not take the appropriate opportunity to cross? Even ignoring the initial lane he has to cross the other lane the the video is taken from clearly has cars in it. Legally the driver is at fault but morally the cyclist could've used better judgement and this all could've been avoided.
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u/the_gabih 5d ago
No? The cyclist was well within their rights to cross there - you can see in the video that the white car had plenty of time to slow to a stop, and did so.
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u/AdAdministrative3706 4d ago
I'm not saying he didn't have the right to cross. I'm saying he should've used better judgement. Just because pedestrians have the right of way doesnt mean you should explicitly put yourself in a position to test people's awareness. Even with right of way you should always make sure the street is as safe as possible to cross
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u/Threegratitudes 5d ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Why would you step out in front of a car that is right there without making eye contact with the driver or otherwise confirm that they're stopping for you? Reddit is way too black and white on stuff like this. Of course the cyclist has the right of way as a pedestrian, but surely you'd prefer not to get hit at all?
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u/AdAdministrative3706 4d ago
Because reddit has to have one person in the right and one person in the wrong. The reality of both people being stupid doesnt sit well with troglodytes.
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u/Real-Walrus3748 5d ago
Crosswalk or not, you cant step into the road when a car is coming without a red traffic signal. There are no exceptions.
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u/Peakatlife 5d ago
The lack of awareness of both men.
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u/Hostile-Panda 5d ago
It’s a crosswalk
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u/KKamis 5d ago
Just because it's a crosswalk doesn't mean you just blindly fucking walk dude! Protect yourself.
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u/Hostile-Panda 5d ago
Crossers have right of way, it’s clearly signed, driver should be looking
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u/Threegratitudes 5d ago
They should be, but they clearly weren't and the pedestrian should have recognized that. Do you seriously just walk into intersections without looking?
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u/DogPuncher8000 5d ago
Pedestrians on a marked crosswalk gets right of way. It's legally required for the driver to stop. Driver gets most of the fault but the pedestrian should've been more aware imo.
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u/Doc_Dragon 5d ago
European crosswalk and a guy walking his bike. Yeah. That's a definite yield. On the other hand, how do you mistake a motorcycle for a guy "walking" a bicycle? Driver was definitely doing something other than paying attention while driving.