r/AnimeSakuga • u/Running_Mustard • 9d ago
Minecraft Zombie Madness
By: Ustulati
Source: https://youtu.be/g4PL5VBVP6Q
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u/SozioTheRogue 8d ago
Minecraft as a fantasy world would be awesome, especially one with good sword and weapon play with martial arts too. Granted, it would simply be more fantasy than it already basically is.
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
It's traced animation. Please don't give attention to this fraud
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u/Twin1Tanaka 8d ago
I IMMEDIATELY noticed Ishiguro from Mob psychos face at 0:25 (from when he gets beat up by Sho)
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago edited 9d ago
For those who don't believe me.
1:17 - Steve slices through the zombies. It's traced from Thors slicing through his enemies in Vinland Saga
2:33 - Alex swings her Sword. Traced from Ghislaine swinging her sword vs Eris in Mushoku Tensei
This one is a bit weaker but 2:52 - Baby zombie speeds up. It's traced from Orochimaru speeding up in Naruto
Those were the ones I was able to recognize. There's probably more. Such as 1:39 looks very familiar but I can't connect it to another clip I saw, so I can't prove it was traced too. But I find it unlikely that he would take the time to fully animate one sakuga part then steal another.
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u/Adavanter_MKI 9d ago
Only way it's forgivable is if the "artist" actually acknowledges it. Like hey... I just wanted to make something funny and learn animation techniques. I wholly lifted some scenes from the following...
Otherwise it's dirty as hell.
Good eye.
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
Yep. Annoys me that they didn't even disclose or aknowledge it. What's even more frustrating is people who don't understand animation trying to justify it
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u/Gunnilinux 8d ago
Was the enderman flipping out copied from something too? That was the coolest part of this to me.
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u/lovequacious 9d ago
Yeaa, but like, is it really that important in this case? It seems like it’s not trying to sell anything, and just for fun? Someone just merging something they enjoy, and sharing it, if it was some big corp I’d understand your slight negative charge
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u/TheSatanicSock 8d ago
I think it is important. The video is really popular and he's profiting off it. He's an animation channel, sells himself as an animator, shows breakdown of his work in other video, yet his stuff is stolen work, so I think it's a problem.
Pretty annoying to see people praising him and his animation skill and him giving hearts to comments when he never disclosed that this is traced from someone else's work
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u/PrateTrain 9d ago
Do you mean rotoscoped?
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
No, I mean traced from other animations. Such as Vinland Saga, Mushoku Tensei and Naruto. The animators doesn't disclose it or credit the animations he traced from and lets most people believe he actually did animate all this
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u/PrateTrain 9d ago
I'm gonna be real, the proportions are different enough that I don't really care.
It's like showing the bit in the boondocks where they copied a fight scene from Naruto.
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
Except the Boondocks scene wasn't traced. It was imitated as a reference and hommage, they didn't actually trace on top of Sasuke vs Orochimaru. Unlike this guy did with the Minecraft animation.
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u/PrateTrain 9d ago
How do you know it's traced? You're speculating because it follows the same lines, but so does the boondocks animation.
Hell, almost all old animation involved tracing to some degree. It's one of the things that they do teach you in animation class because it's expensive and time consuming to bespoke every part of an animation.
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
I have eyes? You don't end up with an animation that looks the exact same by roughly following it. It is literally traced.
However, if you look at the boondocks clip side by side with the original Naruto clip, you can tell a clear but subtle difference in timing and the poses. That's a sign it was referenced and imitated, not traced.
Hell, almost all old animation involved tracing to some degree. It's one of the things that they do teach you in animation class because it's expensive and time consuming to bespoke every part of an animation.
No? I'm an animator myself, I go to animation school. We were literally never taught that. Closest thing to tracing old animators did was sometimes tracing on top of the base model images they have access to, to make sure that the volumes of the characters are consistent. Tracing on top of someone else's animation was always frowned upon in the Community and industry, and it is not the solution to save time and effort.
Sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about
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u/PrateTrain 9d ago
Are you not tracing from your model sheets? You literally reference tracing to maintain form.
I don't know what you're on though, that boondocks clip is 1:1.
I also don't know why you're being so anal over something that's clearly a fan animation for fun.
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u/DoubleProud 7d ago
What's all this shit? It definitely isn't Sakuga. Sakuga means good quality animation.
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u/Running_Mustard 9d ago
Ooh anime and unintended drama, juicy
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
Me when I promote art thieves
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u/Running_Mustard 9d ago
I didn’t know until you said something, but I appreciate you calling it out and all
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
Aight respect for that. Sorry if I came off agressive to you. I got used to people justifying traced animation whenever it's called out
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u/Running_Mustard 9d ago
No worries. We tend to be passionate about our passions. If you don’t mind, could you explain the technique used here in more detail? I never really heard about tracing or rotoscoping for animation before. Like I’m a decent artist but I’ve never animated a day in my life
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
Sure thing.
Rotoscopping and tracing are pretty much the same technique, but they're considered distinct because of the source itself.
Rotoscopping is when you animate on top of IRL footage, tracing mostly of a human doing movements. It's mostly used in productions for realistic/complicated movements, such as a dance choreography or a closeup of someone's hands. (Hands are already hard to draw, now imagine animating them). You can see a lot of it in Chainsaw Man I think, and the Chika dance from Kaguya Sama's second ending. It's also used for studies to try to understand how a movement is achieved, so you can implement it in your own animations.
Tracing is the same thing, but on top of someone else's animation. It is frowned upon in the community because it's considered stealing their work. Animators spend hours animating mere seconds, so it's especially frustrating to see someone just trace over your work, then claim it as their own. It does have more ethical uses, which is studies just like rotoscopping. Animators will sometimes trace over someone else's work in their free time to study how the original clip achieved this effect. It's mostly accepted as long as it's used for practicing. As well as other cases where youtube animators upload shitpost that features obvious traced animation as the joke, and they'll at least credit the original shot like this video did
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u/Running_Mustard 9d ago
Cool. I appreciate the breakdown. I definitely think giving proper credit and providing sources is important, sometimes I’ll even get a little annoyed in this sub when people post without providing a link. Both techniques do sound interesting though. Maybe I’ll try giving rotoscoping a shot one day if I ever decide to learn how to use any art or animation software. Thanks again
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u/TheSatanicSock 9d ago
That's great. If you have access to a drawing tablet, Krita is free and has animation features, and I think you can upload videos to trace on for practice.
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u/Running_Mustard 9d ago
I own an iPad & procreate pocket but I don’t have one of those digital pencils. I’ve always felt weird about trying because I typically prefer mechanical pencils and I’m prone to pressing down really hard. Here’s a few pieces I started but never finished https://imgur.com/a/Ax26AXa
I’ll check out Krita. I appreciate the recommendation
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u/TheSatanicSock 8d ago
Yeah going from traditional to digital is definitely an adjustement. You can always try out paper animation lmao, it's an experience. Like you can Play a cool animation clip, and checking each frame by pressing "." and "," to switch between frames, or Watching at x0.25 speed and try to replicate it on paper.
It's good to do anatomy studies like with the skeleton, we have a lot of anatomy classes in animation school
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u/NoiseHERO 9d ago
Holy shit.
Anyway. Bro, why would he look right into the pinks of the enderman's eyes.