r/AskCaucasus • u/ibra_dza Ingushetia • 7d ago
History qpAdm breakdown of North Caucasians
Source telegram group Heredetas
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u/Acrobatic-Impact-659 7d ago edited 6d ago
I noticed that Kabardians, Abazins, Circassians, and Balkars (including Karachays) are genetically similar. Btw, what is the difference between Adyghes and Circassians?
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u/Narrow_Particular_84 5d ago
These communities belong to different haplogroups and SNPs, representing distinct populations; therefore, it would not be accurate to claim that they share the same genetic origins. For example, the Circassians are carriers of haplogroup G2a-P303 (Pontic-Mediterranean), whereas among the Balkars (50%) and the Karachays (31%) haplogroup G2a-P15 (Kubanoid – some Alans of Saltovo-Mayaki) is predominant, with differing frequencies. Similarly, the proportion of R1a-Z93 (Scythian-Alan) carriers among the Karachays is around 36–38%, while among the Balkars it is 24%. In addition, haplogroup R1b-M343 (Sarmatian) occurs at a frequency of 12% among the Balkars and 7% among the Karachays. Similarly, the R1az93 rate in medieval Alans is very close to that of today's Karachays (they carry this haplogroup at a rate of 33%). In general, according to mtdna samples, North Caucasian peoples (Karachay-Balkar, Ossetians, Kuban Nogays, Abkhazians) carry West Eurasian haplogroups in proportions close to Sarmatians. h, u1b, u3, u5.
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u/ibra_dza Ingushetia 7d ago
All similar but Abkhazians who are seems to cluster more with Georgians.
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u/Acrobatic-Impact-659 6d ago
I mean Abazins
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u/ibra_dza Ingushetia 6d ago
Abazins in general the same although they do have slightly alleviated East Asian component comparatively to other north Caucasian
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u/Nartaps Abkhazia 6d ago
No, we're grouping with the Abkhaz-Adyghe people, and the high level of CHG is due to the infusion of Georgian blood over the past century.
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u/BGodunov 5d ago
No you dont group with anyone except georgians. You are not near georgian group...you are in georgian group. Your identity can be different but your dna is georgian wether you like it or not.
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u/Nartaps Abkhazia 5d ago
I can't see your response to my message
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u/BGodunov 5d ago
You are just victim of propaganda. If you dont have any north caucasian relative and you do a dna test it will put you in georgian group. Non mixed Abkhaz are 100% similar to svans. Science doesnt care about your emotions, your identity, your feelings or your worldwiev. You are even more eastern georgian than you are adyghe. I dont even mention svans....you are 100% similar to them. G25 calculator says you are just Georgian. Not mixed with Georgians but an actual Georgian. Qpadm also says you are Georgian. Please tell us how many more genetic calculators need to tell you the same to believe that you are genetically Georgian?
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u/Nartaps Abkhazia 5d ago
Bro, you've been brainwashed. You're literally saying that the Abkhaz are Georgians, but that's absolutely not true. I have no idea where those old G25 tests of the Abkhaz came from, where the closest people to us are Georgians. The tests taken from pure Abkhazians, without any impurities, showed results that were close to those of the North Caucasus, and unfortunately, this is a fact. You can think as much as you want that the Abkhaz are Georgians, but in reality, this is absolutely not true.
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u/BGodunov 2d ago
You are already lost... The whole world tells you that you are the same as Georgians, and even the Georgians farthest from you (the southeastern ones) are closer to you than the North Caucasians. Yet you still insist that you are northern. Aren’t you ashamed that you spit on your ancestors and claim other people as your own? You are as North Caucasian as I am German.
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u/Nartaps Abkhazia 2d ago
The data you're using is outdated, and the Abkhazian test, which is the closest to the Georgians, is very outdated. We don't have more than 50% CHG, and we have an Abkhazian DNA project that tests the Abkhazians and shows who we really are.
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u/BGodunov 2d ago
In the Abkhazian DNA project, you modify samples to make them look less Georgian :D The whole world has already laughed at this. Just share their G25 samples here in the comments, and everyone will see that they are manipulated :)) It’s so easy to spot whether they are manipulated or not… everyone here will notice it.
Not only the autosomes, but even your Y-DNA is manipulated. The admins mix Abkhaz Y-DNA with Abaza Y-DNA so the average looks different from that of western Georgians.
I’m waiting for your manipulated G25 autosomal samples so we can all laugh together :))
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u/Dikiykavkaz 6d ago
Interesting. I have never seen before North Caucasian with CHG lower than 30% and Zagros so high.
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u/DangerousFarm3296 6d ago
Can you make it with the different regions of Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Eastern Turkey?
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u/BGodunov 5d ago
Abkhazians are genetically basically svan and are super close to other western georgians. They have nothing to do with north caucasians.
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u/Opening-Course8881 Georgia 7d ago
Is there one including the different regions of Georgia? The lower CHG is kind of surprising.