r/AskEurope France 6d ago

Education What european country has the best higher education system for neurodivergents?

I guess you can already answer without reading, I'd rather get your first answers than none at all because you decided it was too long to read ^^' but if you care to, let me explain: I live in France, I'm not French.

TLDR; How are the education systems and culture different? in terms of flexibility, assessment, pedagogy & interactiveness, counselling...

I came to study: I finished my bachelor's in France, completed a Master's program but because of a very shitty internship and tutors, I didn't get my Master's diploma, so I haven't been able to work in that field. I'd like to validate that diploma. However, my experience with French uni (and workplace to be honest) has been... a bit traumatic, it really took a toll on me. Might be culture shock, idk. Very traditional, hierarchical, square... Last year I realized a lot of my difficulties came from actually having ADD, so those 3 adjectives are particularly difficult for me to fit into. I am currently medicated so I have gotten better about things, strategies and stuff, but I don't see myself going back to French uni, going through their crappy pedagogy (lectures, lack of participation... - sorry, i work in uni too now, i see it first hand).

I was wondering about studying somewhere else in the EU, ideally an English course I guess, (I do like learning languages, I speak 3 and am learning a 4th, I just don't know if I'd get to another academic fluency - already in French people say I write the way I speak and while it's correct I indeed am not great with formal syntax). How are the education systems and culture different? Example the Dutch have good studying opportunities but I heard they can be very brutal with feedback. The Germans... scare me a bit? x) with their deal with punctuality and such I'm worried they can also be rigid... Sorry for these examples, I admit I don't know that much about them so it's just impressions and worries that maybe you can help dispel :)

Sorry for the long context question. Thanks for reading.

(optional reading) As a tangent : I have a temporary visa, I hope to get citizenship in like 3-4 years. (Been living here for 11, 6 of which as a student, the rest as a partner, only been married for 2, need to be married for 4-5 to ask for nationality that way, so I'm waiting) My question on this tangent, just in case anyone knows, is if I study somewhere else in Europe, will my visa status allow me to benefit from european uni fees and not be labeled non-EU therefore paying thousands? Or am I right in waiting until I have citizenship.

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u/Cicada-4A Norway 6d ago

Having attention difficulties qualify as a neurodivergence now? I mean the whole concept is laughably stupid but I thought it was primarily to describe the autism.

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u/CompetitiveSleeping Sweden 6d ago

Ever heard of ADHD, for example? Neurodivergence includes more than "the autism".

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u/InterestingTank5345 Denmark 5d ago

Yea, we are just the major reason why there's so many institutions for Neurodivergents. But I do want to add about 70% of people with ADHD have ASD and most offers, at least here in Denmark, are for autistic people.

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u/liang_zhi_mao 5d ago

Yes, several diagnoses and symptoms aren’t neurotypical. These are commonly referred to as neurodivergence or even neurodiversity.

This includes all forms of learning problems such as dyslexia or dyscalculia, dyspraxia but also ADHD and the autism spectrum.

These people usually think and behave differently because their brain handles information differently.

None of these diagnoses are disorders or disabilities and it usually says nothing about the intelligence of people who have it.

Last but not least people usually have several of these things to different degrees because they are linked with each other and there is a certain comorbidity.

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u/Stoltlallare 6d ago

95% of kids are neurodivergent because of TikTok apparently then