Twin of Alhambara,the Mechour in telmcen, Algeria , was built before Al-hambara by 200 years by the Berber Zeyani Prince Yeghomrassen,then their cousins built Al-Hambara in Granada

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Honestly Arab architecture as well as middle eastern architecture in general is so beautiful that it seems mystical.

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This is a north African Berber architect. Spain call it the Zyrides ( the Berber dynasty who founded modern Algiers and Granada and built the casbah of Malaga ) Moriscos Architect .

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Berbers were Arabized tho and that type of architecture was unseen in North Africa prior to the Arab conquest. Pre Arab conquest Berber architecture is completely different.

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It's an Islamic architecture developed by local civilizations nothing to Do with Arabs . If it's an Arab Architect, Saudi Arabia, gulf will be full of palaces with this style but unfortunately there's no single Islamic architect there only tents and camels before 1935 ( when oil was discovered) , .. even Lebanon are Arabized phonecians by your logic .

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Yeah Lebanon is Arabized Canaanites as is the rest of the levant, ethnically we’re not Arab but culturally we are. Arab is not a genetic identity it is cultural. This type of architecture is a fusion of Levantine with egyptian and Iraqi and native Berber among others, all of them Arabized cultures.

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arab is both genetic & and/or language/cultural designation, more or less, but depending on who/where, geographically..

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No culture. The prince who built this palace called Yeghomrassen and he speaks only Berber , like the Zyrid dynasty also speakerd only Berber like the prince of the Emirate of Granada Badis Ibn Habus . Same as the prince of Almoravide Empire Yusuf Ibn tashfin who didn't know the Arabic well

The same as the ALMOHADS Empire and princes who translated the Quran to Berber

So not Arabized , even some were so racist towards Arabs especially the prince of Granada badis Ibn Habus

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It’s cultural, this type of architecture didn’t exist prior to the conquest. Whether the dynasties who built it were Arabized or not. Most Berber dynasties used Arabic as the language of government and art and science. Bani hablus relied on Berber’s due to political pragmatism and the discrimination against berbers by Andalusian Arab dynasties. Yet they ruled in Arabic and patronized Arabic scholars.

Edit: I’m not denying Berber contribution at all but I’m saying it was part of Arab Islamic civilization.

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You are confusing between Islamic and Arabic . Saying it's an Arabic architecture means it's a Saudi architecture 🙂

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When the Arabs conquered the Roman Levant and Persian Mesopotamia, they spread Arabic as the common tongue but Arabization was never a simple replacement. It was a cultural fusion. The early conquerors carried a tribal culture rooted in the Gulf, yet once the Umayyads established Damascus as their capital, the Levantines played a central role in shaping the new order. Levantine administrators ran the bureaucracy, Levantine scholars and theologians influenced religious and intellectual life, and Levantine artistic and architectural traditions left their mark on Islamic culture. Over time Egyptians, Berbers, and Iraqis also reshaped Arab identity in their own ways. Egypt brought its Coptic heritage, North Africa contributed Berber vigor and distinct regional forms, and Mesopotamia infused the Arab Islamic world with Persianized administration, urban culture, and scholarship. The result was that Levantines, Egyptians, Berbers, and Iraqis gradually adopted Arabic but transformed it, creating regional Arab cultures that were far more urban, diverse, and cosmopolitan than the desert traditions of Arabia. What we call Arab culture today is Arabic in language but deeply molded by the civilizations that carried it forward.

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Arabs have a marginal role in all Islamic history ( I mean true Arabs of Arabia )

The Arabic language was founded by Berbers ( Ajroum ) and Persian ( Sibawi ) ...this two founded Arab grammar

Even in religion. Sunni Islam was founded mainly by Persians not Arabs especially Hadith books

About religion the Umayyad dynasty were the worst ennemies of the prophet and his family . They massacred all his lineage. And made the Hura event when Yazid Ibn Muawiyah attacked Medina and raped all the women of Sahaba , and 1000 bastards were born that year according to Ibn kathir

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It's definitely not berber so don't even start it , u can call it Berber if it was the way Berbers built their homes before 7 century otherwise stop being pathetic

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it was berber/islamic, 'arab' only in so far as islam being based on arabic language & past geography..

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So . It's Arabs who were in tents and camels until they discovered oil 1935 ? Lol 🤣 can you give me one castle like built in 1270 like from Arabia ?

I mean 1935 , all Arabs in Arabia were Bedouins with tents and if it's not Egypt and Othmans they will starve to death

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This isn’t Arab architecture

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It is tho, plus the Andalusian style was heavily influenced by the levant as most of the aristocracy was Levantine early on. If you like you can see the thread where I replied and explained to another user how Arab culture does not mean gulf Arab but instead Levantine,Iraqi Egyptian and others.

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it depends if 'arab' as in people of arab, tribal lineage, or 'arab' in so far as meaning 'arabic', tying into to 'islamic'..

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And it's not berber neither

And since there is nothing called North Africa then it's just maghrebi and it's similar to the rest of architecture in the islamic world