r/AskReddit • u/No-Gur-617 • 2d ago
What do you think history books will say about Trump 50 years from now?
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u/Terrible-Ad-9746 2d ago
Honestly I feel like history books are gonna be sooo dramatic about him 😅 like “the most chaotic president ever” with all the scandals, Twitter rants, and that whole Capitol thing. People will probably still be arguing about him 50 years from now lol
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u/TurbulentWillow1025 2d ago
Books?
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u/IsThistheWord 2d ago
Bold assumption
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u/PopularStaff7146 2d ago
Really depends where things go from here IMO.
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u/DrWKlopek 2d ago
Current direction is not so hot
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u/djmanning711 2d ago
It will either talk about him as a coup leader attempting to overthrow American democracy, or it will talk about him as the father of the USA, a great thinker/leader and how he was the best golfer the world has ever seen.
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u/badmother 2d ago
how he was the best golfer the world has ever seen.
Nah, that's Kim Jong Il.
"Kim shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life"
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u/Aplejax04 2d ago
I miss when news articles looked like this. Now it’s more ads and pop ups then news.
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u/Pasta-hobo 2d ago
Nah, let's be real here. Either the US survives and eventually recovers, or it doesn't.
There's no possible timeline where anyone is expected to look upon him fondly 50 years from now.
Either the fire gets put out, or the house is burnt to the ground.
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u/AlenaClub 2d ago
I think they will remember him as the President who accelerated the decline of the United States of America.
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u/GrimeyScorpioDuffman 2d ago
I’m hoping they talk of him as rock bottom who inspired the US to turn around and rebound back to its prior prestige
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u/2reddit4me 2d ago
The US hasn’t hit rock bottom yet. I think we’re seeing is definitely the beginning of the end for us.
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u/Spicy_Weissy 2d ago
Yeah, people forget Rome's decline was a long drawn process.
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u/turkeyburpin 2d ago
It's a path and we were walking slowly down it stopping and going back the other way occasionally, Trump showed up with a Tesla and started driving down the road, much more efficient, better, best. No president in History has ever done as much! Not sure if /s is right here....but I want to mention it in case someone thinks I'm having a good time during this administration, I'm not and I won't pretend I am.
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u/Ok-Elk-6087 2d ago
There is no bottom for Trump. Before Trump, I would have thought using the Smithsonian to emphasize the message that slavery wasnt so bad was beyond possible.
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u/Comedynerd 2d ago
I don't think history is linear, nor do I think history must necessarily conform to civilizational life cycles like Toynbee and Spengler might suggest. Rather history is contingent upon the outcomes of critical junctures which have compounding positive or negative effects over time. I think Trump is the culmination of several critical junctures and feedback loops that have led to this, but trump himself is also a critical juncture. Depending upon how we deal with trump and the fallout of his second presidency (hopefully no real radioactive fallout but you never know), America could be put back on track towards pluralistic inclusiveness or America slips further into extractive oligarchic decline
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u/TiPete 2d ago
It's too late for that sadly.
Reagan flushed and the US has been circling the drain ever since. There was a bit of hope in the early 2010s, but it's way too late now.
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u/snyderjw 2d ago
But Reagan was just a Nixon sequel with higher production value.
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u/Outrageous-Pause6317 2d ago
I’ve always said Reagan was just Nixon with charm.
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u/snyderjw 2d ago
We’re really in Nixon part 5 right now. Some of the same actors are even still involved. The rest of the original cast had been lost to death and infighting on the set.
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u/HyperactivePandah 2d ago
Nixon created the EPA
Reagan created trickle down economics.
Now, I'm not under the impression that Nixon ACTUALLY cared about the environment too much, but at least he did a couple things that helped the country.
Reagan just gaslit middle class white Americans into trusting him. Then he gave all their money to millionaires, who are now billionaires.
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u/flibbidygibbit 2d ago
Nixon wanted good things for some people. The "War on Drugs" was a way to tamp down certain groups.
He signed legislation that built the EPA, OSHA, reinvigorated the space program through the space shuttle, and funded cancer and sickle cell anemia research. He was considered the last "new deal" president.
Nixon even sent an envoy to develop relations with communist China.
Reagan promoted the worst parts of Nixon's presidency, enacted tax cuts for the rich and told everyone to look at how bad the commies were living.
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u/ChronoLegion2 2d ago
Even Nixon supported healthcare reform, something modern Republicans call socialism
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u/totpot 2d ago
The Hopi Native Americans have an old prophecy about a man in a red cap who appears when the environment is being destroyed and human greed is at its highest and ushers in the end times.
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u/BellsOnNutsMeansXmas 2d ago
In the prophecy, is the hat also ill-fitting and made in china?
Just looking for some wiggle room on that end of days thing....
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u/defixiones 2d ago
He'll definitely be seen more as a symptom than a cause. He has advanced no legislation and has no achievements.
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u/TheShruteFarmsCEO 2d ago
I hear you, but he doesn’t have to pass a bill to fundamentally undermine democracy, surrender our place on the world stage, and erode the tenants of what made America who we are.
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u/ZAlternates 2d ago
He got elected and put our government up for sale.
He isn’t the mastermind behind the bullshit you’re seeing now, unless you count things like the “Gulf of America”. Instead he’s just selling access to legislation and government contracts to the highest bidders.
Anyone who wanted to get a law changed or passed who couldn’t do so before, now can, for a price. Need a pardon or VISA? Those are $2 million and $5 million respectively.
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u/Ok-Permit2640 2d ago
The most corrupt president in the history of the United States
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u/Longjumping-Claim783 2d ago
Nixon is rolling happily in his grave
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u/Head_Razzmatazz7174 2d ago
All Nixon did was spy on people. At the time it was a scandal. Now it wouldn't even get a minor headline in a local paper.
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u/Longjumping-Claim783 2d ago
And it wasn't even clear if he ordered it. It was the coverup that he got in trouble for. Now nobody gives a shit.
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u/Chill-more1236 2d ago edited 2d ago
IKR, Trump is covering something up 2-5 times on the daily.
I give a shit & others do too. Its not enough power to sink him tho.
Been impeached twice & he slipped out.
Hopefully America votes to axe the nonsense at the next election & the Constitution does the rest.
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u/Quirky_Spinach_6308 2d ago
That's making the optimistic prediction that there will actually be midterm elections in 2026.
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u/bamfsalad 2d ago
I feel like I need a tracker for all the shit he's done. I can't keep up or remember all of them.
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u/LLotZaFun 2d ago
He technically put institutional racism into hyper speed and empowered Kaiser Permanente. That may not fall under corrupt but he’s definitely a POS for it.
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u/socgrandinq 2d ago
Nixon also expanded the war into Cambodia even as he promised to end it. Kent State under his watch. He’s got plenty of blood on his hands
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u/Ghoulius-Caesar 2d ago
Trump using the FBI to raid John Bolton’s house is 10x worse than Nixon’s Watergate spying in my opinion. That’s just a weekly event in the Trump Administration, especially 2.0.
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u/TrespianRomance 2d ago
At least Nixon started the EPA or something?
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u/Longjumping-Claim783 2d ago
And expanded medicare to people on dialysis and normalized relations with China. signed the endangerd species act. Different generation of Republican. Still a son of bitch but not a complete moron.
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u/Forsaken_You1092 2d ago
Nixon would be considered a liberal today.
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u/ChronoLegion2 2d ago
They’d probably call him a socialist. His reaction would be, “Socialist? Do you even know what a socialist is? I’ve faced off against real socialists!”
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u/Robotchickjenn 2d ago
His overall presidency wasn't bad. He did a lot of good things but they are eclipsed by Watergate
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u/Longjumping-Claim783 2d ago
I think the shenannigans he did in Vietnam, Laos and Cambaodia are worse than Watergate but you're right that Watergate is what primarily tarnishes his presedentsy. He could have won in 1972 without Watergate and would then probably be rememberd as a reasonably successful President
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u/dastrn 2d ago
Trump is far FAR worse than Nixon.
Nixon's worst scandal is an average Tuesday for Donald Trump.
Man, when you think about it, conservatism elevates the worst people, huh? It must be so embarrassing to be a conservative. Imagine all the constant mental gymnastics they are stuck doing.
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u/helloowrigley 2d ago
Specifically the way that conservatism and capitalism elevate each other (and those that serve them) in our current system.
During a Daily Show interview in the last few months, Jon Stewart pointed out that corporate America had become this fourth branch of power that essentially has no discernible checks and balances in place. It should be the responsibility of our government to regulate that playing field to protect its citizens, not investors’ profit margins.
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u/AmbitiousProblem4746 2d ago
If he had just had 1 term? Neutral, maybe a discussion about polarization and warning signs, but mostly glossed over as a generally ineffective, nominally unpopular president who struggled to have a lasting impact once he entered retirement. I would say even Jan 6th would've been reflected on as an embarrassment the country moved past, but not more than that.
Now that he's in his 2nd term and doing all sorts of shit? Really depends on who writes the history books. Either way, he is now one of the most "influential" presidents of our history and he will get an entire chapter or more devoted to him.
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u/Fit-Tax7016 2d ago
There won't be any history being taught if he gets his way
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u/Miserly_Bastard 2d ago
Yep. It'll be historical fiction overlapping with the fantasy genre.
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u/Low_Chance 2d ago
Look no further than the Christopher Columbus cartoon where he explains how brutal slavery is not so bad if you want a sneak preview
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u/AntontheDog 2d ago
I think you are thinking like an American. There are plenty of countries in this world that would write the history of the US. Think about Germany. We all know what happened there even though they tried to suppress it.
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u/Crash_Revenge 2d ago
Thankfully, America isn’t the only place that documents history. I’m sure there will be a few other countries that will have detailed opinions on his presidency.
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u/HaxanWriter 2d ago
They will critique him hard but they will vilify the American people for sitting around with their thumbs up their asses and not doing anything to fight against fascism. Deservedly so.
History will not be kind to us. We don’t deserve it. We are 1933 Germans. That’s us. That’s who we are what this pice of shit country has become.
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u/LuvSnatchWayTooMuch 2d ago
I’m upset that MAGA supporters will suffer no repercussions for being cruel assholes…Bondi, Patel, Noem, etc
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u/dastrn 2d ago
That's up to us. We can treat them how they deserve for the rest of their lives, or we can let them off, and let them do it again every 50 years.
I vote for consequences. I want them to reap what they've sown, socially.
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u/Wowseancody 2d ago
If the purpose of studying history is to learn from our mistakes, the role of the electorate in Trump's rise should be featured prominently in the history books. He didn't just wake up President one day. All these "I DiDn'T voTE foR ThiS" posts demonstrate he successfully convinced people not just to vote against other people's rights and liberties, but against their own livelihoods and freedoms.
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u/IfJohnBrownHadAMecha 2d ago
I think you don't give us quite enough credit in the German comparison.
Millions are protesting this time around. The resistance is limp but it does exist.
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u/rain-dog2 2d ago
People get offended at comparisons to Nazi Germany, but it’s tragically funny that the more apt comparison might be to post WW1 America. We’re not acting like Nazis so much as we’re acting like our old racist, gilded age selves.
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u/ginrumryeale 2d ago
It turns out a well-informed citizenry was the best defense against tyranny. -QED
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u/Jumpy_Secret_6494 2d ago
"Donald trump suffered a cardiac arrest on the 7th of September, 2025."
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u/Binspin63 2d ago
I’m hoping for more like, “…he died a horrible, excruciatingly painful, slow death, whereupon, the distraught MAGA lemmings proceeded to throw themselves, one by one, into the Grand Canyon, knowing they’d soon be joining their exalted orange god on the mother ship.”
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u/adonishappy 2d ago
I hope it will say: 'the president that nearly destroyed the u.s.a. '.
Instead of: 'the president that completely destroyed the u.s.a '.
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u/KPipes 2d ago
Except if it's the second option.. it won't say that.
It'll say "The greatest, most beautiful president this country has ever seen. The entire world really. People are saying it. Many people. Great people. Important people. And, you know, it's just really a beautiful thing, this president. No president has ever done more great things or been better at being a president of a country in all the history. Incredible, incredible leader. Loved by all the women too. Many women. They all love him. He could have any of them really. Beautiful women, those women. Many say his daughter Ivanka was very beautiful! Thank you for your attention to this matter"
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u/Horror-Layer-8178 2d ago
College history books and most of the high school ones will say he was a corrupt right wing authoritarian and call it America's experiment with fascism. The Texas school history books will say he saved the Country
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u/Ryan_TX_85 2d ago
That he was the only president to suspend the constitution and rule by decree. The first president impeached more than once. The first convicted felon elected president. The only president to incite an act of violence and insurrection against the United States.
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u/twenty42 2d ago
I have a bad feeling those "only"s will be replaced with "first"s as time goes on...
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u/Ryan_TX_85 2d ago
I don't think so. The only reason why Donald Trump gets away with being elected president despite being a pedophile, criminal, and terrorist is because he's also the world's most proficient con man due to his charismatic and cult leader appeal. There's no other politician, past or present (and assumingly future), who could get away with the things the American people let Trump get away with. That's why JD Vance is trying as hard as he can to support Trump's agenda while remaining a traditional politician. And I think it's safe to say that none of Trump's goons (Musk, Noem, Hegseth, Gabbard, RFK Jr, Miller, etc) have any future in politics after their regime has left office.
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u/zerbey 2d ago
MAGA will die with Trump, if he steps down as President, or whatever, JD Vance will be incapable of commanding the same respect Trump gets from his followers. The whole party is based on his ideology. Once Trump finally goes you will see a massive change in the Republican party as they fight to remain relevant.
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u/Ryan_TX_85 2d ago
MAGA will die with Trump. But the MAGA ideology has been around since the era of slavery and will continue to be around indefinitely. It will just take a different name, just like it always has.
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u/rlsetheepstienfiles 2d ago
The hardest working president ever no president could do better his numbers were huge
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u/Richard_Nachos 2d ago
Big ratings, in a lot of ways some people are saying the best ratings ever, so we'll be looking a that, and we'll see what happens.
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u/PM_me_pierced_nipplz 2d ago
I remember growing up and learning in history class about how Grant's administration was extremely corrupt. How his cabinet was ineffective and self serving, but he was elected largely for his popularity as a war hero.
I bet Trump will supersede Grant in the conversations about corrupt administrations and the dangers of ejecting public figures over public servants.
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u/Aliasgoeshere 2d ago
There's new books out that are changing the Grant narrative. It certainly was taught that way , but historians are starting to change their view.
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u/PM_me_pierced_nipplz 2d ago
Probably because we need to reevaluate what we consider political corruption to be when it's as extreme as we're facing now
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u/MrLanesLament 2d ago
What’s gonna be weird is when kids have to have permission slips signed by their parents to be allowed to do the section of history class about Trump. Porn stars, shithole countries, “you can tell them to go fuck themselves,” the Access Hollywood quotes, etc.
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u/Ok_Departure_7191 1d ago
The history books are already being written - Trump is a fascist subordinate of the Putin world order of far right authoritarianism. He is a felon and convicted sex offender. He is a criminal, traitor and a liar. He was elected by the worst of America.
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u/Pake1000 2d ago
Depends on how long conservatives retain power, because if they maintain control of the SC and Congress, school history books will be forced to write Trump in a positive way instead of a historically accurate way.
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u/ItsNotMe_ImNotHere 2d ago
It will be debated whether he was more like Nero or Caligula, the worst Roman Emperors.
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u/Chosh6 2d ago
It’s not entirely clear Caligula did all or even most of the heinous things attributed to him. Roman history was written by aristocrats and Caligula was a populist.
His reign was recorded in history by his enemies.
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u/kezopster 2d ago
According to Google translate:
The one who tore apart the orange tumor in the belly of the Leviathan that was devouring the world
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u/Funkycoldmedici 2d ago
I think it will be the same as how we look back at similar openly corrupt criminals in office. They’ll say “How could this have happened? Why didn’t anyone stop him? Never again.” Meanwhile, people supporting and working in the Trump administration will still be alive, still in politics, still trying to destroy lives, and still facing no consequences of any kind.
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u/Nodnardsemaj 2d ago
It's up in the air. Florida's history books in schools now read that slaves were given a great opportunity by learning many trades and skilled labor and theyre better off because of it. Thanks DeSantis
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u/Stock-Lifeguard2344 2d ago
That when the files were released after his death, it turned out he really was a predatory pedophile.
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u/lostacohermanos 2d ago
Sadly we probably will continue to get even worse presidents. I remember growing up people saying we couldn’t do worse that George W Bush and now there is nostalgia for him because Trump is so stupid and horrible.
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u/TXblindman 2d ago
Notable fascist and failed dictator Donald Trump's headstone now holds the world record for most shits taken on one person's grave.
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u/pgsimon77 2d ago
The lesson of history seems to be clear; reactionary movements come and go / but progress tends to win out in the end. Martin Luther King was right when he said that the arc of the universe bends towards justice.... It is only a matter of time 😺
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u/SafeRoof7005 2d ago
Trump is a few paragraphs. It’s everyone else who abandoned the constitution that enable this.
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u/AdAmazing8187 2d ago
As Norm McDonald said, “I was reading some history the other day. And I was just shocked that the good guys always won”
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u/Gessoartist 2d ago
I don’t know. But the first name “Donald” will be as popular then as the first name Adolf is now.
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u/Silent_Purchase_2654 2d ago
Trump (noun, adj, vrb) - to fail spectacularly in every way possible. A boorish boastful clown. Also used to describe the tantrums of a poorly behaved child.
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u/Such_Display_4612 2d ago
In 50 years, I'm not sure, but in 100 years, I think that textbooks will note that he was the closest thing to a dictator that the U.S. has ever willingly elected to office.
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u/Ok-Government-7987 2d ago
Without a 24/7 media ecosystem to cover for him, like he has now, harshly.
I hope that the general population who enabled him don’t get off without shouldering the blame.
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u/Key_Head3851 2d ago edited 2d ago
Just as the National Socialist Party of Germany (NSDAP or NAZI) before it, the people of the United States allowed bold fascism to override common sense creating the first dictatorship the United States of America had ever seen. The constitutional re-writes that made this possible were achieved with relative ease due to the SCOTUS and the active electorate being largely unified under conservative ideals.
Most corporations capitulated to the first “President for Life” demands due to his cult-like popularity among the incredibly powerful conservative movement, removing any dissenting or critical voices in a systematic “cleansing” of the media, just as the NAZI party of Germany did in the 20th century under Adolf Hitler.
Self-styled culture wars against the supposed “Woke” agenda succeeded in creating enormous amounts of infighting and polarization. This political climate resulted in the American public being superficially distracted as wealth disparity in the United States in those years and following the dictatorship, increased exponentially.
What was once considered the “bedrock” of American society in the 20th century, the middle class had become nearly extinct in the early part of the 21st century.
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u/NewOriginal2 2d ago
The fascists couldn’t destroy America’s democracy if it wasn’t for the large population that either didn’t understand what authoritarianism is or didn’t believe it would happen.
Just like Germany in the 1930’s. You had the pro-fascists and the anti-fascists and also the people that were ambivalent to what was happening. Neutrality never helps the oppressed. It always favors the oppressor
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u/Aural_Essex 2d ago
The history books in most schools will be able to tell the truth by then. They will not be favorable to him and his followers.
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u/thedeeb56 2d ago
I hope it says the army arrested him and his whore family and they all died in guantamino bay
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u/timotheusd313 2d ago
Not sure if you used the word “whore” intentionally, but either way I’m all for it.
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u/slice_of_pi 2d ago
It depends who is writing them.