I will never get over the loss of all the previous avatars, it infuriates me to no end cause that's one of the most interesting things about being the avatar and now the only avatar contactable is one we already know
not a meme but maybe they could talk to that random yoga guy who showed up then f****d off out of the series after like an episode and a half in season 2? Or somtheing?
Weren't they? Tenzin is able to speak with Aang in the spirit world. Roku sends his dragons soul to fetch Aang so they are both in the spirit world as well. Korra may have lost direct access but they should be in the spirit world somewhere. If I am overlooking something obvious do correct me though.
If I had a nickle for every time a Water tribe avatar Did their job horríbly and made the next earth avatar correct their mistakes I Would have 2 nickles, which Isn't a Lot but It's weird It hapenned twice in the last 2 cycles
I don't think Korra messed up that bad, honestly. Like, Vaatu was gonna fuck up the whole planet, Korra managed to reconnect the spirit realm and that probably is a deep pool of wisdom (assuming you don't drown in it).
In her series Korra Did not mess UP that badly, but the next series premise is about the World hating the avatar because Korra Did a poor job after the series ended, to the point She is called "Korra the Destroyer"
I have a feeling their spirits will be somewhere in the spirit world, they're just no longer able to connect directly to the Avatar to offer guidance. They would need to be found manually.
Which is even more compounded by the fact that Korra actively ignored previous avatars so her only wisdom would be: "winging it, that's what I did!"...super helpful Korra >_>
Well sure....EVERY character in fiction is an extension of atleast 1 writer, it's not like Korra sat in her trailer because she had issues with the bad dialogue because she isnt real, characters are an extension of the writers, bad writers = bad characters, blaming the writers = blaming the characters.
I like to imagine Sokka in his trailer writing 60 puns and 10 extra romance scenes with Suki and the writers having to cut down a lot of his suggestions lmao
Not exactly. Do you remember, or even know about, Jar Jar Binks? People hated the character so badly that the actor nearly committed suicide. Shitting on the characters IS one thing, and saying that the writers are shit and fucked up the character IS another thing
Real actor vs animated character. Maybe if people went after the voice actress there would be a case, but people hate the character and the writer for the character. Pretty sure no reasonable or sane person is going to hate the voice actress unless they just dislike the voice inflection or something.
Sorry, but do you really think want to compare that??? Like wtf, at least try to be reasonable. It’s not like people looked up her voice actress and invaded her home. It’s just some animated character with no soul or anything
No one os hating on Korra's voice actress. Things like this have happened of course, people sent death threats to Laura Bailey due to her role in the Last of Us 2. Obviously that is very wrong.
But here's the thing, nobody is mad at Korra because they think the actress did a bad job playing her, they simply don't like how she was written. So, the people at fault ARE the writers.
And it is always fine to criticise the writers or anyone if you think their work wasn't great, but there is a clear line between saying you don't like the work of someone and then bullying them.
With Star Wars, plenty of people blamed George Lucas because it was clearly his fault. Bullying him isn't right, but not liking the films is okay. But the bullying of Jar Jar's actor wasn't nice, he played the role exactly how he was supposed too, unfortunately it was a badly written character. Same with Jake Loyd.
TLDR: It is okay to criticise anyone for their work, but it isn't okay to bully them.
They went BEYOND the character, jar jar is a character that deserves criticism as George Lucas and his writing staff wrote the character poorly, not the actor who played him, I'm not criticizing the VA who played Korra, I'm criticizing the character Korra who was written by writers not Janet Varney...i think youre confusing actors and characters, korra is written by writers and all of her actions are determined by writers, just like my previous comment, bad writers = bad characters and blaming the character = blaming the writers
My hope is that reconnecting to the past avatars becomes a goal at one point for the new Avatar. Maybe they need some past knowledge and realize (possibly from Korra) that avatars before existed and could in the past be reached.
How would everyone collectively forget that? this new avatar is directly after Korra it's not like it's centuries later, unless Korra was doing some kyoshi shit and being immortal for funsies
Yea but you'd just need like a few people of a past generation? Like a grandmother even if lots of information is lost the avatar and its cycle is pretty much common knowledge.
True, though its less common knowledge that the link to the past avatars was severed. The new avatar may assume she just hasn't learned how to connect to the past avatars rather than she is no longer able to do so. Depends a lot on whether Korra actually appears as a past connection.
What gets me the most from it is the fact that the avatar lineage goes back to hundreds of peoples, perhaps thousands of years never fucking it up, but she had to fuck it up in the stupidest way.
Granted... the whole premise of that arc is that it was an event that last happened when the first Avatar was created. It's been 10,000 years of not fucking it up, but it also has not had a chance to be fucked up in those entire 10,000 years- by design
Korra's explained to people that she lost her connection to previous generations. The current avatar is either going to be told that in their training, or is going to find out via communing with Korra. They will not know a world in which they've ever been able to commune with the entire avatar line.
Like GenZ missing out on a the Boomer/GenX lifestyle of a single income being able to buy a home, the new avatar will never know what they've lost.
Tbf we don’t how how the new world the avatar will be born in looks like, but from the clues we have of it being post apocalyptic, I doubt they have access to all the recent knowledge, odds are they will rely on old legends from temples and stuff. Which would mean they would eventually learn about how the avatar cycle was supposed to work.
When the avatar line was severed, it's not just that Korra might be the "new start", it implies that every new avatar won't have access to ANY previous avatar
Yes, because he had past lives to look at. The only past life on the chain now is Korra, who is the start of an entirely new cycle. It’s stupid writing but it’s done now.
I'm not sure if I'd agree that it was stupid writing. I just think it's a horrific loss that no one in the fandom is happy about, because it's the animated equivalent of losing the Library of Alexandria. But it could have been done better to have the loss land in a more remorseful way.
I feel like it’s one of those things in the IP that just should not be changed. It’s integral to the soul of the thing — mind the pun — and they had already perfectly flirted with the idea when Aang “died” and had Avatar trouble.
It's clear, like having access to the knowledge of 10,000 years of existence under different lives, being advised or not by the selves of the past to avoid making the same mistakes again, or knowing more about the past world or a character backstory, it was really an important characteristic of the avatar. By killing the old lives, and removing from the avatar the role of link between the two worlds, all that remains is someone who reincarnates without memory and who can bend the 4 elements, at this rate, they could have better remove it too.
yeah sorry i use a translator for most of my comments but the ending sentence didn't seem clear so i reworded it at the end but that was bad too
I meant to say: at this point, the writers could have just as easily removed the theme of the 4 elements and reincarnation from the avatar concept, since there isn't much left already.
i guess i'll always be in this mess: half these comments are just bashing on korra as a person. even got some giving hypothetical situations to then say "ugh korra you are acting obnoxious." like you didn't write the hypothetical...jesus
korra didn't kill the avatars; she was fighting for her life and the line got cut by antagonist. idk where people feel justified to go off like korra is actively doing this to you personally. jfc move on and laugh at the meme that is about the avatar state.
People will find any damn excuse to hate on Korra it's so annoying.
In fact, imma get downvoted to hell, but I don't even think this was bad writing. In a show with conflict there need to be stakes, and sometimes, the heroes need to lose some, otherwise it just feels bland. Korra does this like no other, and that's why I like the show so much.
But people just want everything to be the exact state as it was, like "the golden days" so they can endlessly praise it (even though they still can, it's not like atla was removed from existence).
It's not bad writing and people saying it is get me as riled up as people blaming Korra as if it was a choice the character made. Exactly like you said, conflicts need stakes. Sometimes we need to see consequences that last when heroes don't achieve a total win.
Past lives allowed the next lives to know why these problems existed in order to be able to resolve them more effectively or more consciously.
And also speaking with past lives was rrally an important element of the concept of the avatar, as important as the bending of the 4 elements or the reincarnation, removing it is just removing an important part of its concept.
God, thank you! I can't stand people constantly bashing Korra for shit that isn't even her fault. (I'm realizing now that the following says "you" a lot. I don't mean "you, the person I'm replying to" as I agree with you. I just felt the need to add a rant to the discussion and I'm piggybacking off your comment lol)
"She cut off the past avatars!" Yeah, no, that was NOT an active decision. That entire plot point was basically as close as you can get in a kids show to a character being sexually assaulted/raped. People who blame her for that are the same kind of people I cover my drink around.
Also, Aang cuts off contact with Roku willingly in the comics because his advice was unhelpful and irrelevant in the new era. Hell, even if you didn't read the comics, the series finale of the show explicitly shows that none of the past avatars are able to offer the answer he needs. Korra no longer having access to past lives changes basically nothing. If anything (and I'd like to clarify—from a writing standpoint—as what happened to her was traumatic af), it's a better outcome. It shows that this is a new era, the wisdom of the old world is no longer applicable and this society needs to look forward, not back. It's making the best out of an awful, fucked up situation.
I've heard similar stories from people who have been raped. That kind of trauma doesn't ever really go away. But in just about every case I've heard about from both friends and stories online, there's a singular silver-lining that they reach that helps them to keep going: "I'm still alive. I can't undo what happened, but I'm still here." Korra is a survivor trying to make the best of what happened, and people have the fucking AUDACITY to blame her.
And if anyone responds "it's not that deep, bro," I just KNOW you failed English class. Every story has some kind of deeper meaning, lesson, metaphor, allegory, etc.—even if the writer didn't intend it—and your inability to comprehend that is incredibly sad.
The whole issue with your comparison is that Korra was actively fighting an enemy most Avatars at her age would absolutely demolish and she lost the fight. That is it.
Aang at 16 would have kicked Unalaq's ass so hard it wouldn't even be funny.
But Korra lost that fight in a pretty stupid way, and it's more bad writing than the character fault.
Uh no? No avatar could have won that fight unscathed because it's not an enemy that any avatar could have possibly been prepared for. And everyone praises Aang for his abilities (and yes, he was an excellent and very powerful avatar), but he barely won against Ozai—that spirit-bending move nearly failed.
And Korra didn't lose the fight, she won at a great cost. That's not bad writing. What would have been bad writing is if she won unscathed as that undermines how dangerous the concept of a dark avatar is. Of all the writing issues the show has at times, the Unalaq fight is not one of them. People just call it "bad writing" because we don't get to see Aang anymore and they're upset about it. I'm upset too, but that was the whole point of the scene—that kind of trauma is upsetting. That's good writing. A story that makes you feel negative emotions does not mean it's a bad story.
Aang could have killed Ozai at any practically moment after he got AS, the moment he went AS Ozai couldn’t even touch him. The spirit bending thing was the complicated part
Dark Avatar Unalaq was less impressive than Ozai with the Comet, guy was basically a somewhat empowered Waterbender with fancy moves. His physical feats simply don’t measure up that much.
Korra lost that fight and had to go for a Rematch later with some weird giant spirit stuff.
The whole thing was just ruining one of the best parts of Avatar and just worked to make people dislike Korra more for being associated with breaking the Avatar Cycle.
Korra got defeated too easily, her AS didn’t seem to empower her that much compared to her base form.
Aang could have killed Ozai at any practically moment after he got AS, the moment he went AS Ozai couldn’t even touch him. The spirit bending thing was the complicated part
Dark Avatar Unalaq was less impressive than Ozai with the Comet, guy was basically a somewhat empowered Waterbender with fancy moves. His physical feats simply don’t measure up that much.
Korra lost that fight and had to go for a Rematch later with some weird giant spirit stuff.
The whole thing was just ruining one of the best parts of Avatar and just worked to make people dislike Korra more for being associated with breaking the Avatar Cycle.
Korra got defeated too easily, her AS didn’t seem to empower her that much compared to her base form.
As much as I love this show, the fandom has a serious problem when talking about it's characters
They turned Kyoshi into a bloodlusted murderer, turned Kuruk into a lazy surfer who never did anything, turned Roku into an incompetent fool who caused the 100 year war, turned Aang into a literal saint who was incapable of doing anything wrong or committing mistakes, and Korra into a Malicious asshole that destroyed the connections on purpose
It just becomes tiering after so much flanderisation
The fandom when they talk about the past avatars, I still don't like Korra but I 100% blame the writers for that, specially since the most interesting villains Amon and Zaheer were ruined by their shitty writing
I think it would be kind of fun to see pavi unfairly blame korra for her problems the way everyone else does but then realize how hard being the avatar is, too. Them being able to meet and have closure would be really nice
Yessss!! I’m genuinely excited to see what they’re going to do with a premise as doomed and heavy-sounding as this. I hope Pavi has lots of good character growth and Korra can be redeemed in the public’s eyes
So far I’m guessing whatever she did to make everyone hate her wasn’t actually that bad/was just propaganda from people who wanted her out of the way. The president did the same thing in the Turf War comics because he was in danger of losing his position due to letting Kuvira take over, so he made Korra his scapegoat instead of actually trying to help people
I’m interested to see if Pavi will sympathize with her and try to clear her name
The avatar is nothing more than a bunch of traumatized people trying to help eachother, Korra is by far one of the most traumatized one, she WILL be able to help Pavi because Korra faced every single season a threat most avatars had to deal once in their lifes. She faced evil spirits, combustion benders, an airbending assassin, a giant megazord that could explode a mountain with one single shot, a bloodbender that could take beinding away AND a dark avatar, she grow so much in the seasons, most people just cant understand that
Yes, but Korra’s biggest weakness as an avatar was not consulting her past lives enough, which makes losing the avatar lineage a double whammy because she herself doesn’t have much wisdom to pass on beyond the six avatars we’ve already heard from.
Except we don't know what Korra had been doing for all this time before the calamity, she could very well have collected information about the pass avatars and their knowledge (we already know that she is keeping a journal for the next avatar just in case they can't talk to her)
Really hate the narrative that Korra losing her connection to the previous avatars is somehow her fault or a mistake that needs to be corrected like she wasn’t severely manipulated by someone she deeply trusted.
It’s not like she intentionally struck Raava and severed the connection herself.
Didn't they say no future avatar can assess the past avatars now, even Korra now due to Raava dying/respawning. So the new earth avatar cant assess any, even korra.
Hell, it's why korra and her firends makes the book. So she can pass down her knowledge to the next generation of Avatars (if you dont know aboit that, read the comic that came out thats based right where the show ended)
Were the older ones all that useful? Aang basically only ever talked to Roku and Kyoshi basically just showed up once to say, "Yeah I fucking killed that bitch."
That's not even taking into account the moral questionability of locking the avatars immortal spirit to a sort of undeath for all time.
Also the avatar state is powerful because it uses the knowledge and skills of all previous avatars, so this would also mean that it's now been nerfed into oblivion.
I think too it would be kind of interesting to see at first if pavi blamed Korra for her situation like everyone else, but then learned more about her and the things that had to happen to her
It would be fun to see them beefing a lot but eventually being friends
I did for a solid 2 years before I gave the series another chance but aside from that god awful season, the show is still really good! The red lotus was 💋perfection
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u/bedheadB188 6d ago
I will never get over the loss of all the previous avatars, it infuriates me to no end cause that's one of the most interesting things about being the avatar and now the only avatar contactable is one we already know