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u/BarelyInvested 4d ago
Lets see
Aang kills Zuko
Ozai and Azula go with a fleet of battleships to the Southern Watertribe(not out of vengeance, but cuz they killed the Fire Nation prince)
Aang goes avatar mode and drowns them all in a whirlpool or a giant tsunami
Yeah that checks out
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u/Ragnarok345 4d ago
First, I imagine you mean “opposed to killing”. If he was a pacifist, he’d never have fought anyone at all.
Second, not very. He’d still have to have fought all the same people on the journey. The only difference it would have made is when he went to Ozai, but he still had to get to that skill level to even be able to fight him, so it would have taken the same amount of time.
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u/ChildofFenris1 Firebender 🔥 4d ago
No no see Zou(I definitely spelled that right) would have been killed with a staff not vicious mockery. And Zuko, and maybe Azlua would have died. And most of the plot was Zuko hunting Aang.
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u/Right-Truck1859 4d ago
Just kill Ozai at the day of Black sun. As early scenario proposed.
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u/Ragnarok345 4d ago
You mean….the day on which they couldn’t even find him? And even after Azula told them where he was, they knew Aang wasn’t ready to face him without the eclipse, since he didn’t know how to firebend yet? As in….wouldn’t be capable of beating him, whether he was trying to kill or not?
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u/danyboui 4d ago
If Aang wasn’t a pacifist then Zuko gets killed by Book 1 for sure, Azula doesn’t make it past 2 and by that point the bigger obstacles would be Ozai and maybe Iroh.
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u/Lyras__ 4d ago
Uh, no, that's not what pacifist means at all? A pacifist will still defend themselves, and he is literally Public Enemy #1 of the Fire Nation. Aang resisting the Fire Nation is not against his pacifism. It's one ideology they actually portrayed accurately and well across both series.
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u/Ragnarok345 4d ago edited 1d ago
Well, fair enough, that is an important distinction to make, between those types of pacifists. There certainly do exist ones that won’t fight even in self defense. But Aang is neither. Even one that will defend themselves still does so only as an absolute last resort, when someone is actively attacking them right now, and struggles with the morality of it later. They would never seek it out, as he very often does. He would never be okay, for example, with fighting his way into the Earth Palace, insisting instead on finding another way. And he’d avoid the war entirely, finding a secluded corner of the world and planting himself in it. He never does anything that resembles pacifism specifically (sure, he’d mildly prefer to avoid fighting, but doesn’t have any real issue with it), and only morally grapples with the concept of killing specifically.
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u/ZadriaktheSnake 4d ago
Did we watch the same series because his pacifism was never shown to cause any problem, also he did murder people
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u/Arqhe 4d ago
Pretty sure Azula chased him multiple times and all he did was run. Same goes for Zuko, Sparky boom boom man, and firelord ozai himself.
Did we even watch the same show? How did 8 people upvote and agree with you
Hell there was even a whole episode dedicated to him running with team avatar from Azula n co. They got chased for so long that the whole team was sleep deprived. Team Avatar claps Azula idc
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u/Slow-Recipe7005 4d ago
Basically, what happened is that the show depicted a bunch of goons getting thrown around in ways that, realistically, should have killed them.
Sorta like that one time spider man accidentally killed Gwen stacy via whiplash.
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u/CaptainSauceMonke Firebender 🔥⚡ 4d ago
The second one fits more if it was: if Aang was a proper pacifist, or at least an older one
Pacifists are allowed to kill in the defense of the innocent, the practice does have extenuating cicumstances but its not that they don't kill at all. Probably something the nomads would have taught aang when he was older.
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u/Mshadow5 4d ago
The real part here is how no one knows what being a pacifist means.
Pacifists refuse to fight and use violence, even if it is to save people or themselves.
Aang was kicking ass from chapter one, so the entire statement makes no sense?
Aang refused to kill the firelord but here's the thing.
He didn't even have a chance to do it until that final encounter, so it's not like he was wasting time.
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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 4d ago
I would argue Legend of Korra was much more influenced by Aang’s no kill rule than ATLA was.
Seasons 1 and 3 was really just Korra cleaning up Aang’s mess
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u/No_Sand5639 4d ago
In what eay?
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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 4d ago
The villains of seasons 1 and 3 were originally team avatar villains that Aang spared
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u/No_Sand5639 4d ago
I mean, the villains of season 1 were the guys children. So just cause aang didn't execute the guy doesnt really make them his fault.
As for the red lotus, I dont think they became a real threat until after aang died. So that was more of a failure of the white lotus and the surviving team avataf then aang himself
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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 4d ago
If Aang executed the guy, how would those villains exist?
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u/No_Sand5639 4d ago
Yeah but aang just doesn't execute people. He cant reslly be blamed for that.
By thst logic here should just kill everyone, just in case their children turn out even worse
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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 4d ago
Dude the post is how different the show would be if Aang didn’t have the no kill rule. If Aang killed the father of the villains of Korra book 1, there would be no Korra Book 1
We aren’t talking about the morality of Aang’s actions. We are talking about how the show would be different
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u/No_Sand5639 4d ago
Welll no, the post is if he wasnt a pacifist. Which is the belief that all violence is unjustified.
Not just killing
And since aang already uses violence. Its a moot point
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u/Slow-Recipe7005 4d ago
Aang was a diplomat in an age that needed warriors. Korra was a warrior in an age that needed diplomats.
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u/Final-Mountain8200 4d ago
Aang as too powerful to be a warrior he had to be a diplomat for the show to. Really exist
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u/ChefArtorias 1d ago
Korra s1 would've never happened at all b/c Yakone would've fucking died in the courtroom.
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u/Accomplished_Bid3153 4d ago
This isn’t true because even if aang was willing to kill people he still has to actually reach the fire lord to kill him then still stabilize the country because he might’ve killed zuko so no killing people wouldn’t have made the show that much shorter at all
But yes Korra would be shorter because Amon wouldn’t exist but that’s it
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u/lordofthebeardz 4d ago
Your forgetting the red lotes if they where dead they couldn’t have broken out of prison
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u/Accomplished_Bid3153 4d ago
They actively avoided non lethal aang they definitely would’ve remained hidden against aang looking to kill
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u/lordofthebeardz 4d ago
Oh yea I forgot that they where captured when they went after Korra so your right it wouldn’t have made a difference
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u/danyboui 4d ago
If Aang wasn’t a pacifist there’s a good chance Tenzin is more willing to kill the people willing to kidnap his father’s reincarnation. Wasn’t it a plot point in a comic that Tenzin wasn’t as pacifistic as Aang when he was a teenager? Make that Tenzin just more willing to fight and it’s over for them.
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u/High_Overseer_Dukat 4d ago
Hed probably get killed earlier. No reservations when you are fighting for your life against the avatar to prevent the next one.
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u/Better_Ad_512 4d ago
You can remove like ten more pages if Katara wasn't such a pain is the ass when Aang was about to kill the sand benders.
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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 4d ago
It would be a bit harder to leave the desert. That’s all I got for how much would change
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u/eggroll85 4d ago
My favorite version of this meme is still "if Sokka had a gun".