I mean, so far all water benders in the animated team avatars have been girls, with the only exception being Kavik from the Yangchen novels and even he admitted he didn’t know much about healing, so if (in potential future seasons) they’re gonna defy the previous series tropes regarding team avatar this one feels like a must, specially given the water tribe’s traditions on gender roles and the fact that we’re seemingly going to see a lot of such subversions, such as twin avatars and the fact that an Earth avatar’s first mentor will be a millitarized air bender (should be fire but I take it since they're not exactly in any position to be picky in that regard).

Now a recurrent theme in the water tribe is it being particularly strict when it comes to societal and gender norms as well as loyalty to the kin and we've seen how toxic this could be in both series (women not beig allowed to fight, Yakone trying to "make a man" out of his sons, their collectivist mindset breaking Kavik's family) so it would be interesting to see how this mindset has affected them in a post apocalypstic world were they're seemingly no longer a nation. The fact that benders seemingly get conscripted, that water avatar seemingly caused the apocalypse and that water bending should be vital for water purification and recyclying as well as pacifying dark spirits and healing people from their poisons, would certainly make for an interesting exploration of a water tribe character in the main cast.

Say... I could see such a character as a particularly skilled water bender boy (close to Nisha and Pavi's age if perhaps a bit older) who specializes in healing whose expected to fulfill an existing role (which itself might be what drove him to train) despite his not wanting to but unlike the more rebellious Katara, Kalyaan and Korra (and for that matter Toph) or the more nostalgic Kavik and Sokka, he has begrudgingly accepted his role in society due to feeling the need to be useful to his kin. As he meets Pavi (who ought to beinterested in learning to heal), Nisha and Yae, the twins ask him to be their water bending teacher, though to remark his water tribe mindset and to differentiate him from Toph, he is far more hesitant to join them, at least innitially; perhaps joining a whole season later.

Now to adress the elephant in the room, I know this character isn’t part of the established cast, which for that matter seems to include a couple of characters of water tribe descent but none of them explicitly male so I don’t think such a character will be part of the main cast in the first season, which makes sense given that they’d be bound to focus on Yae looking after the girls and teaching them air bending. There’s even talk of no team avatar among the fandom, and though I feel this would be a terrible idea if they wanted to make a long term series, I do admit that for a 26 episode series might not be ideal for developing a 4+ character cast. Still I do believe that if the series gets more seasons, as was the case with Korra (which was originally gonna be 1 season long) and as I have no doubt the creators hope for, then the main cast could easily be expanded to include more characters.

• In fact, if there is a major timeskip to show the girls growing older and more mature they'd be bound to have teammates closer to their age to serve as peers rather than guardians like Yae, who for that matter would by then see the girls less as little sisters/daughters and more as teammates and eventually leaders.

Could it be a rule that every Avatar must be guided by an airbending master, or is it just a coincidence?

My idea is that that the Waterbenders are being discriminated against in the new world due to Korra's supposed actions:

As she was one of them, all Waterbenders are guilty in this Evil legend of Korra (pun not intended) and met with distrust and hatred. This is especially widespread due to the cataclysm having been most likely centered around the entrances of the Spirit world,, two of which are in the two pols, with a popular idea that they helped Korra destroy the world out of evil desires for destruction!

So a part of this story is also redeeming the waterbenders as a whole and maybe one of Pavi's members is someone who wants to find out the truth about Korra to cleanse the false history about the Waterbenders and the Water tribes descendants.

Pavi, as she is kind and empathic will help perhaps such a character due to knowing how people distrust you due to legends about you, especially untrue legends. So this might be an emotional arc to save the dignity and lives of the Waterbenders.

What do you think about this, a good or bad idea?

I say good, when handled well, we could use such politics and conflicts in such a show, would be intriguing.

If Chin village from last airbender is still around( while we will have the seven havens i am sure some smaller settlements will exist in the wastelands).

And if they are still around, they still support the avatar despite everyone hating them.

Like Pavi arrives and they are having a parade and it’s “All hail the avatar, all hail the avatar”

Basically a nice little switch up of a village that once hated the avatar then loved them due to Aang’s actions and continue to even after Korra’s death and Pavi’s emergence while almost everyone else hates the avatar.

I think this world is far too well established for the 8 years that pavi is alive,

Now hear me out. This one is kind of out there, but it would track too. We're all assuming that pavi is the next avatar after korra, but what if she's not? What if she's the 2nd earth avatar after korra. What if after korra died and there was an earth avatar, and that avatar lived their life and died, and there was a fire avatar that lived and died, then an air avatar, then a water avatar then we get pavi. Pavi could be the 5th avatar after korra. The previous 4 avatars could have been in hiding or hunted all their lives after the cataclysm. This would explain why the world is so well established and explain why everyone is so willing to hunt down the avatar because they are all born thinking the avatar is bad for the world and needs to be hunted down, it would also give us the time jump we need for it to be feasible. It would also explain why her twin was taken. Maybe after hunting the avatars down for 4 cycles the heads of society decide to raise and control the next avatar and instead of taking pavi they take her twin by mistake thinking she's the next avatar.

I've been seeing this theory that suggests that when Korra dies, the Avatar cycle ends up "broken" for more than just 9 years. Like, let's say that 200 years has passed since the cataclysm so that not only everyone is long gone but the Anti-Avatar propaganda is pretty much the norm. Those who are living in the Seven Havens are only told that the Avatar has destroyed the world and the cycle.

It's an interesting theory, but I worry that this will reinforce the hate Korra gets. She's already hated for destroying the world. Do we really need to make her responsible for possibly putting the Avatar cycle on hold for that long?

Anyway, what are your thoughts?

I’m 100% assuming they’ll repeat the opening scene, this time in order of “Fire, Air, Water, Earth”.

In ATLA it was: Master Pakku, Master Sud, Azula, and a young airbender (most theorise it’s a young Gytaso).

In TLOK it’s Avatar Kyoshi, Roku, Aang (as an adult) and Korra.

Do you think A:SH will have characters we already know? Or new ones we haven’t seen yet?

Every time I watch this scene, I get excited because it feels like it was meant for a future series, and now it’s becoming a reality.

As we know with TLOK, Korra could no longer speak to the past Avatars and we arent sure if Pavi can connect with Korra. Do you think that she will try to find a way to connect with their past lives either through trying to find then in the spirit world or managing to "Reboot" Raavas memories

I could've sworn before seven havens was announced, the original plan for the next avatar series was supposed be set in a futuristic/cyberpunk world. I vividly remember seeing YouTube videos about it. One of which even depicted what the main character looked like, which was a teenage boy wearing futuristic earth kingdom attire.

Yet I can't find a single trace of this on the internet.

Were there rumors of a futuristic sci-fi avatar series or am I just in some mandala effect loop or something

Many people have speculated that the cataclysm could be Sozin’s comet or one trillion Spirit Cthulhu’s coming out of the spirit portals to ravage the earth and devour everyone’s souls or something ridiculous like Korra pulling The Rumbling.

But nobody addresses the possibility that it could be the fault of a human organization, be it a greedy company exploiting the spirit portals or an extremist faction trying to destroy all spirits.

A corporation could be trying to push beyond spirit vine technology by building a power plant at all 3 spirit portals sucking spirit energy directly from the spirit world. This increases tension between humans and spirits which results in an increase in spirit attacks.

These attacks causing permanent incurable mutations would create a class of outcast mutants rejected by society for their deformities. A charismatic individual among them could rise up and become an Amon-like leader hell bent in ridding the world of spirits.

The organization(which I will be referring as the “QiXing movement”) could at first pose as a civil rights group fighting for the rights of the mutated. Hower, as they grow more popular they begin to shift towards anti-spirit and human supremacist sentiment, spreading to the non-mutated population as well. They would begin plotting the destruction of all spirits.

The political power the QiXing gains by possibilities of Republic presidents and Water Tribe chieftains that agrees with their ideals. Excuses could be made, like the increasing energy needs of a further technologically evolving world but the real kicker here is that this aligns with company profits.

There would be opponents to this however, the most notable of which would be Avatar Korra for many decades, after finding out the implications of all this from Asami and Jinora explaining how exploiting the spirit world for energy damages the spirit world. This would begin constant propaganda smearing of Korra being a Luddite and begin to massively discredit the concept of the Avatar as antiquated for the modern world.

Because of the spread of democracy across the world, Korra could not just deal with the politicians and world leaders allowing this all to happen the Kyoshi way because threatening or assassinating popular and legitimately elected leaders would be controversial. Nobody believes a word she says, and violence isn’t an option. There would be continued de-regulation of environmental protection laws globally, allowing corporations controlling the spirit power plants to expand those facilities to drain even more energy from the spirit world.

The power plant sucking up excess energy from the spirit portals causes them to destabilize over time which leaves them one sabotage away from causing the cataclysm. The leader of QiXing would devise a plan to use this to their advantage to fulfill their goal of destroying all spirits, and launch a sabotage with insiders increasing the energy harvesting ten fold.

Korra would catch wind of this, and confront the leader of the Qi over this publically. However it would be too late, as even if Korra dishes out Kyoshi style Justice onto them, the three spirit portals collapses into themselves and expels spirit energy all over the planet, causing violent energy storms that ravages most of the planet.

Because the average person in the world do not believe in Korra or other spiritualists’ warnings about exploiting the spirit world and combined with propaganda to defame her for years, Korra gets all the blame for this.

TLDR: The cataclysm could be entirely caused by human greed and political BS.

OG Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/AvatarSevenHavens/comments/1m90gx5/theory_he/

So we had the casting call out, and there's an interesting discussion about what Team Avatar will now be. The show runners say they want to challenge the audience, and this series, so it's entirely plausible they may not touch the concept of Team Avatar and do something different, have the twins go on their journey and have friends to rely on, but they do most of the buttkicking with some help from Jae. That'd be fine, but I still would like some use of the cast overall, so here are some ideas I got.

Pavi: It'd be cool to have an animated Avatar with a hobby. Yeah, Korra had the whole probending thing, but that didn't stick as something tied to her being a probending Avatar. Pavi having a musical passion and being good at it honestly sounds super fun and adorable. It'd be cool if it's used to connect to her ability to sense vibrations for her earthbending, and perhaps airbending. Having her last on-screen appearance be her putting on a concert for all seven havens would be a cool way to represent her bringing the world together through song.

Nisha: Not as aggressively Azula coated as I feared. Nisha sounds like she might be a pain in the butt occasionally, but if she isn't a Dark Avatar but loses her status regardless, that might severely hurt her confidence and self-identity, forcing her to find some inner worth on her own. If she is a Dark Avatar, then I'm not surprised she is more super confident and would likely use that as an angle to show off as much as possible. I also don't see Jae being a mentor to her if Nisha can't airbend.

Jae: HE'S GAY? Yeah cool. Most of us had him pegged by design, so not big. His being a straightlaced goody goody who learns to be more loose and willing to open his mind because of the girls sounds precious and hits those big brother vibes perfectly. Uki being nonbinary (probably) means it might not be him being Jae's love interest, but I do hope they matter to the plot and aren't pushed to the side to avoid showing any gayness on screen.

Uki: Watertribe. Does anyone think the poles will be solid or melted? Uki sounds like the Sokka/Bolin character who's going to bring the fun edge to the apocalypse. If they aren't a love interest for Jae, then they'd likely be the waterbending teacher to Pavi and Nisha, so I see them having a greater chance of making Team Avatar than most of the others. It helps their close to Jae's age, and it'd be cool to see Uki maybe have a chill, surfer vibe to balance Jae out.

FANG: Why he's named this eludes me, (yes, I know these are placeholder names, but still), it gives the idea he made up his name, possibly indicating he's an orphan? The fact that he could be a firebending performer sounds incredible, and having him and Pavi bounce off each other creatively could be a great way for her to build some confidence by standing up to FANG's bossiness, and he learns to expand his talents by listening to others while creating. I kind of want to lowkey ship them, but obviously it'd be nice to get a time skip to when their 13/14 so they can grow up as friends, then start a cute romance which ends the series with them performing together and kissing onstage.

Amow: This is an odd one. The youngest one is the slickest and only shows loyalty to the highest bidder? Sounds like a streetwise character, which makes me wonder if Pavi's got some gang she's familiar with, so it'd be interesting if Amow reacts positively to Pavi being revealed as the Avatar at first, but then leans closer to Nisha if she has her abilities and the confidence to show them off. What's frustrating is that Amow is given no positive character traits for me to latch onto, so I'm at a loss for what she'd do outside of ticking both twins off by being deceitful and dishonest. Maybe she's just the type to whack Pavi upside the head and tell her to deal with the bad guys however necessary, instead of focusing on how bad she feels about fighting? Your thoughts?

PIng: ...Who the heck is this kid again? It sounds like they might be related to FANG, but it'd be a little redundant to fill this cast up with siblings where one's nice and the other isn't. Assuming they are related to FANG, the only thing we know is they aren't jazzed for the role FANG gives them, or that much about theater at all, apparently. This introduces a nice conflict, but nothing that is personally interesting for Ping themself. Best I can do is that they help Nisha relax and find some inner worth since perhaps Ping thinks she's amazing, Avatar or not, and Nisha gets Ping to step up for themself and tell FANG off, forcing their maybe brother to reconsider his position on treating others.

Karthik: Not in the casting call, but pretty much everything else Knights Edge Media brought up. He's supposed to be an earthbender and Nisha's mentor, so perhaps she's already mastered earthbending as a nine-year-old at the start of the series, and he refuses to train Pavi either due to her pegleg or his insistence that Nisha is the Avatar. Either way, it'd be cool to have a mentor figure perhaps become a resistant antagonist due to his loyalty to the White Lotus, only for Jae to turn rogue and take the twins away, forcing Karthik to pursue them. His name and Nisha's indicate a purifying of the dark one, so I'm curious if my prediction is on the money or drawing short change.

The kids will likely be friends to help Pavi become a better person, and the teens are her mentors. Be cool if Pavi's training of Earth and Fire is entirely her own, or she and FANG can make their new form of firebending together.

It feels like a tradition to have Avatars struggle with an element because of their personality and upbringing.

Aang: Struggled with Earth.

Korra: Struggled with Air.

Roku: Seemed to have struggled with Water (the show) and Air (the novel.)

Kyoshi: Struggled with her native element. She was good at the large scale of Earthbending but struggled with small scale movements.

Kuruk: Earth (kind of). He struggled with the traditional side of bending then the element itself. Like Iroh, Kuruk believed that the elements were all connected

Yangchen: I don't think we ever learned which element she struggled with. One theory I've seen is Fire because it's an aggressive element.

And now we have Pavi, the first Earth Avatar of the new cycle. We still don't know much about her aside what got from we got from the leaks (it sounds like she'll be the "Aang" to Nisha's "Korra") but if there was an element you want to see her struggle with then what would it be?

So, back when ASH was announced in February, I09 wrote this about the show:

Seven Havens will be set in an apocalyptic world devastated by a cataclysm that has torn the both the human and spirit worlds asunder, with the remnants of civilization holding out from total annihilation in the titular strongholds throughout the world. A young female Earthbender, currently unnamed, will star as the next inheritor of the powers of the Avatar—the transcendental re-incarnating hero of destiny who commands the power to simultaneously wield the four elemental bending arts of Fire, Earth, Air, and Water—only to find that in this cataclysmic age, the mantle of the Avatar is a portent of doom and destruction, rather than a savior.

On the run as she is pursued by both human and spirit forces, the new Avatar will be joined in the series by her long-lost twin sibling, as they uncover their own mysterious origins and links to the Avatar Cycle, and find a way to save their world before the Seven Havens collapse entirely.

You can find this here: https://gizmodo.com/avatar-seven-havens-animated-series-last-airbender-korra-nickelodeon-2000566186

The reason why I'm talking about this is because I recently came across a comment in the Korra subreddit about the cataclysm "tearing the human and spirit worlds asunder." I didn't remember that from the official logline, so I went looking, and this is what I found.

So, can anyone confirm this? Where did the writer of this I09 article get these two bits of information from?

Given their MO and how Book 3 ended with them still around (likely returned to the shadows), how would you feel if the Red Lotus return to be the baddies in ASH? In fact, what if they played a part in starting the cataclysm?

What do you think?

theres no way this is supposed to be a sequel to atla/lok they should’ve just made an original show.