r/Boxing • u/InternationalMath781 • 1d ago
Naoya Inoue & Gervonta Davis - Who wins? Manny Pacquiao made his choice š
Manny Pacquiao has revealed who he believes to be the better fighter between two of the biggest names in the sport ā Naoya Inoue and Gervonta Davis.
Inoue is widely considered to be one of, if not the best active fighter on the planet. The 32-year-old from Japan currently reigns as the undisputed super-bantamweight champion, remaining unbeaten as a professional since making his debut back in 2012.
āInoue [would win against Davis]. Inoue is fast. Inoueās style is like when I was young.ā - Pac-Man.
Source: https://www.secondsout.com/news/pacquiao-on-better-fighter-inoue-or-davis/
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u/Comfortable-Grand166 1d ago
Tank isnāt even a serious fighter at this point, a younger motivated Tank would probably catch the smaller man coming in, but heād lose now. One is a legend and one chose not to be,and just wants the bag.
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u/autismo_supremacy 1d ago
Younger Tank avoided anyone with even remotely similar ammount of skill or achievements as Innoue so i'm not sure he could do It even then.
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u/Janus-a 22h ago
Younger? Older as well.
The only time Tank fought someone dangerous was when he was potentially looking at prison time. The Ryan Garcia fight probably would have never happened otherwise.Ā
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u/LeanOnMe4816 21h ago
He accidentally fought a dangerous Lamont Roach Jr. and abruptly thought āoh hell naw! Iām not doing that againā š I was a huge fan of his too, sucks heās going out like a chump instead of a champ.
Not sure if it will be hilarious or tragic if he gets dropped by Jacob Paul.
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u/No-Tie-9499 18h ago
Itās no coincidence that the first time he fought without a rehydration clause he struggled in a fight
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u/blinglorp 19h ago
The fight is a win win,
I would love to see either of those fighters get fucked up, lol.
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u/Primary-Hold-6637 1d ago
Tank isnāt fighting anyone worth note. Riding the coattails of his own popularity. He doesnāt care about legacy. Iām over his ass, 1000 percent. Was a fan myself. Iām not interested in any of his fights if theyāre not free.
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u/DoriOli 1d ago
To each their own. If Gervonta wants to be chasing bags, so be it. Iāve always preferred Inoue myself anyway. Also, the Japanese mentality is not the American mentality. Iād pick Inoue over Gervonta would a fight have happened
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u/Lifetimeawe 23h ago
no no no imagine how much money tank would have if he was at the top of boxing his management just knows he couldnāt do it
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u/DoriOli 21h ago
He has said multiple times heās done with the sport and lost interest. The money heāll make with fighting Jake will also most likely trump what heād earn with any other legit fight, maybe even more than couple of them combined.
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u/Lifetimeawe 13h ago
ok but this is kinda irrelevant, he likes money right, well he made a lot less over his career than he other would as a legit champ
no matter who your opponent is you still got to train show up for all the press and fight the fight, its not like he saved so much extra work
he just made less
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u/Relevant-Attempt-515 1d ago
heās only 30 years old he hasnāt lost his skill or something? He would still beat him
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u/LeanOnMe4816 21h ago
Tank has one toe in and the rest of his body out. Heās been talking retirement for a couple years now and as they say, when you start thinking about it / actually talk about it, youāre pretty much done. Canāt play fighting
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u/AlarmedGrape9583 1d ago
Inoue a legend? Gtfoh
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u/CallOutRacistPeople 10h ago
He's going to be whether you like it or not though. 2 Weight divisions Champ faster than Crawford and one of three men at that. Unless you have no clue what you're talking about and don't watch 126lbs and below, you're talking out of your ass. There's very few fighter that is as dominant as him in the lower weight throughout the history of boxing. His resume right now already solidify him as one of the best lower weight fighter by a mile. He win more rounds than any active boxers right now. Unless you're a racist or bias towards the lower weight divisions, there's no way he's not going to be a legend when his career is done. You're an idiot and the community can tell. An idiot, just like this OP who talk as if weight class is not here for a reason. Inoue vs Tank is like Tank vs Boot/Ortiz. Haters will always be moving the goal post when talking about Inoue.
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u/Formal-Inevitable-50 1d ago
Stop it. Tank would beat him heās just too small lol.
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u/AdJust7980 1d ago
Dude lost to šŖ³you stop it š
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u/Objective-Soil-9235 1d ago
Roach was a big 130lb going up to 135lb. Monster Inoue would have to go up five weightclasses, not one
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u/Objective-Soil-9235 1d ago
Don't know why you're being downvoted for speaking facts. The monster is known for knocking people out, and so is Tank. Monster fights at 122lb, Tank fights at 135lb. Thats a five weight class difference. Inoue would be giving up so much size and it's not like he's way more skillful to compensate. They're both intelligent punchers. It wouldn't be fair to Inoue. Fan of both btw
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u/blinglorp 19h ago
The fact that 13 pounds is five weight classes is fucking insane.
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u/growapearortwo 18h ago
It's a 3 weight class difference, not 5.
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u/Objective-Soil-9235 17h ago
You're right. My bad. I was thinking about Inoue when he started it would of been 5, but it's 3 now
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u/Formal-Inevitable-50 16h ago
Usually how it goes lol. Deep down Iām sure they know they just upset Tank fighting Jake. So am I but Iām not delusional.
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u/Desideratae 1d ago
i love Inoue and he is by far the better P4P fighter but people are ridiculous, Inoue has a small frame and Davis's power would flatline him. weight disparity is just too big, Tank's power transferred all the way to 140 while Inoue is getting regularly dropped by 122ers.
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u/kratos61 1d ago
"Regularly"
He's been knocked down a grand total of 2 times in his professional career.
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u/Desideratae 1d ago
twice in his last 4 fights at 122 is getting to regularly ya, especially after never getting knocked down in the lower weight classes, and i believe only ever even hurt once there by Donaire.
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u/Objective-Soil-9235 1d ago
People dont like facts here. Is this the Japanese boxing sub? Like wtf
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u/Desideratae 20h ago
the glazing for Japanese fighters is wild ya. i'm even an Inoue fan who catches all his fights and stans him to my friends but these dorks are ridiculous.
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u/TheSportsGuy2000 1d ago
Inoue also has been taking more shots as he moves up in weight. He got dropped his last two fights; granted he ate those but if Tank where to have landed the shots he was caught with, heās probably not getting up
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u/Formal-Inevitable-50 1d ago
Absolutely not lol. You can tell who knows a thing or two about boxing bros just too small.
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u/Formal-Inevitable-50 1d ago
Thank you lol. Folks judging off emotions instead of logic Tank would stop him.
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u/Ok-Cod2481 1d ago
yea I hate the Paul fight but dismissing this skills and size difference is wildš
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u/Axelardus 1d ago
There is no skill difference in favor of Tank. Inoue is a more complete fighter. Plus heās fought way more actual opposition than tank. Tank is a massive counterpuncher. Inoue is also a counterpuncher but also an outboxer but also an infighter and a power puncher and has had his chin tested. Heās had a way better career and has been way more tested/scrutinized in his fights. He has also conquered way more belts.
That size difference tho, itās big enough for this comparison to be as stupid and irrelevant as saying Crawford vs Usyk.
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u/growapearortwo 17h ago
The size difference is closer to Crawford vs Canelo.
I think the truth is that this kind of matchup is too rare in recent history for anyone to have developed a real intuition for the outcome. Yeah we have Amir Khan vs Canelo and Kell Brook vs GGG, but it's not really the same because the bigger guy in each of those matchups was also considered the p4p better fighter. And even in those matchups the smaller guys were having some fairly consistent success before they got sparked out.
And as for the commonly-cited fact (not by you, but the other commenters here) that "Inoue already got dropped by smaller fighters," that's true but it's just a completely facile argument. Aside from your opponent's skills and physical qualities, there are so many different factors leading up to getting caught by a big shot: your game plan, your motivation both leading up to the fight and in the moment, your mindset, etc. Both times Inoue got dropped, he was trying to impress the audience by going for the early KO. Does anyone really think he'd approach a Tank fight the same way?
You could just as easily say, hey Roach got dropped by Jamel Herring who isn't even a power puncher so Tank is gonna knock him out easy. Or Pacquiao got dropped at flyweight by some Thai dude so of course he's no match for Barrera, Morales, or Marquez. Or Crawford got rocked by Gamboa at 135 so how is he gonna deal with the power punchers at 147 etc etc etc. It's just not an argument with any real weight.
If Crawford gives Canelo a good fight next month, I think the only logical stance anyone can have on the hypothetical Inoue vs Tank matchup is that it's a legitimately reasonable matchup that Inoue could win. If Crawford gets walked down and sparked out, then we can probably say Tank would do something similar to Inoue.
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u/Axelardus 15h ago
Yes, I generally agree with almost everything in terms of analysis of the potential fights and about how stupid the argument that Inoue has been dropped is. And I would also add to everything you said, that Inoue has fought way fiercer opposition in comparison too.
My comparison of Usyk Crawford in terms of weight was just for the fact that they come from such different weights that itās a really dumb comparison.
The great difference lies in the fact that Inoue is now fighting at 122, and tank is at 135. Canelo is fighting at 168 and Crawfords last fight was 160 iirc. Canelo and Crawford are currently ānaturallyā 2 categories away (8 pounds) while tank and Inoue have like 4 between them.
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u/growapearortwo 14h ago
Crawford last fought at 154, and only had one fight there. I think Crawford at 154 is analogous to Inoue at 126, and Inoue will be fighting there soon and expected to do well. From there, Tank would be 2 divisions away. So the jump in number of weight classes is the same.
But Crawford is skipping two straight weight classes because he knows his career is coming to an end and he doesn't have time to establish himself at 160 and 168. Inoue could in theory work his way up to 130 gradually if he put his mind to it and adopted a more careful style (he seems to have given up on that idea though) and a catchweight with Tank at 132 wouldn't be crazy at that point. There are quite a few former sparring partners of Inoue who think he's easily good enough to dominate all the way up to 130 despite his size. I think Geo Lopez and Leigh Wood have both said something to that effect. Geo's a big boy and Leigh Wood was a featherweight when he sparred Inoue for his bantamweight debut.
So I think Crawford vs Canelo under the current conditions is actually a less reasonable matchup than the most realistic path to Inoue vs Tank. But in any case, I think what happens in the Crawford/Canelo fight will be the most meaningful indication so far for what would happen in Inoue vs Tank.
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u/Axelardus 8h ago
You are right. Nothing more to say, fact checked the stuff to make sure. Only thing I could say is that Iām not actually confident Inoue can make it to 130. I would be amazed if he did. Bro has climbed and unified so many categories that doing 130 would be some Pacquiao stuff.
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u/Formal-Inevitable-50 1d ago
Literally people say anything Inoue has been put down by much smaller fighters. Tank would put him out. Usually when skills are close weight plays a huge advantage which is why there are weight classes.
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u/kushmonATL Inoue and Crawford up next in Sept š„šŖš¾ 1d ago
Not taking weight class into consideration , P4P all things equal , yes Inoue would style on Tank Davis
Now a 122 pounder fighting a chubby 135 pounder? That's a different story
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u/professorgaysex 1d ago
Is Tank a chubby 135er? I thought he was a dude who stays pretty close to his weightclass all things considered since most fighters are like cutting 20+ lbs these days
Iām a casual btw so I GENUINELY donāt know if Tank is a massive weight cutter
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u/kushmonATL Inoue and Crawford up next in Sept š„šŖš¾ 1d ago
His walk around weight is rumored to be 165+ , but he does a fairly good job staying close to his limits because it probably is tough for him to cut massive weight all at once
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u/hhenrydaballer 1d ago
If iām not mistaken I think he notoriously used to get huge in between fights but has recently been staying a lot closer to the lightweight limit especially in his last couple fights
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u/OTF-GDragon 1d ago
Wasn't he eating donuts, candy and other shit during the leadup to the Ryan Garcia fight because he said he fought around his weight or something?
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u/RMbeatyou 23h ago
That clip of that all access was him trolling, but he probably was hella undisciplined with his diet up to that point, lately heās been in better shape between fights
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u/Wavepops 1d ago
Tank is a small 135 naturally. He used to get fat in btwn fights but he doesnāt anymoreĀ
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u/Visual_Hedgehog_1135 23h ago
His frame is quite small even for lightweight. His shoulders are pretty narrow as well. It seems he just didn't have a lot of self-control with his diet.
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u/Badguyy101 1d ago
Tank has a similar frame as Pacquiao, who is comfortable at 147.
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u/CantHandlemyPP34 7h ago
Bingo. I'm similar in frame to Tank & at my heaviest, I was 170 & I felt/looked awful. 140 is my sweet spot.
At 130 I look gaunt & above 150 I get chubby. At one point I bulked up to almost 160, which looked great but at the cost of stamina & burst. He's obviously an elite pro athlete, so his experience was probably alot different - but 165 was not a comfortable weight to walk around at.
I guess the only relevant point I had was to say, yeah seems about right š
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u/-SOFA-KING-VOTE- 1d ago
Tank would lose and then get arrested at the hotel
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u/kinduvabigdizzy 1d ago
I don't know why this is funny, but it is.
Edit: it's funny because it's true.
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u/Top_Profession_5268 1d ago
Such a 2023 type question.
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u/Dry_Sense5442 1d ago
When Inoue 'rose' to fame in yt shorts the casuals were going crazy you gotta see that shit
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u/Top_Profession_5268 1d ago
I was an active YouTube viewer back then, I would know. Especially after being undisputed and PFP debate between Bud and Inoue.
The amount of defending I had to do to defend Inoueās resume and him being ducked is crazy for people who only knew about Inoue recently.
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u/Dry_Sense5442 1d ago
They was saying that Tank would drop Inoue. Ofc he's like 3 weight classes above āš»
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u/Top_Profession_5268 1d ago
I just felt that it felt such common sense hence why I never was involved in those discussions.
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u/nalam8493 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tank is too big for Inoue. I love Inoue and he is actually my favourite fighter in boxing but we have seen him get knocked down a few times where to the point, itās bad news if Tank gets on the end of a counter. Inoue would probably be up on points because Tank has terrible volume as a puncher but all it takes is one punch from Tank and itās hard to stay perfect for 12 rounds especially when you have never fought at the weight Tank is fighting at. P4P is a whole nother discussion however but reality is different and honestly, Tank also seems on his way out. But I donāt think an Inoue needs a Tank fight for his legacy and Tank on the otherhand, has failed his potential by somehow escaping all the big fights around his weight class other than fighting a drained Ryan Garcia
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u/MitchLGC 1d ago
Yeah Tank is too big end of story
People bring this stupid hypothetical up so much and I hate it. It's because they're both smaller fighters but it's just Ignorance because boxing fans who pay attention recognize there's a very significant size difference between the two
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u/Upper-Package-3765 1d ago edited 17h ago
I think Inoue would beat tank if he fights like roach. And if Inoue goes with Cleto Reyes then I guess stoppage is not out of question. One thing is that Manny thinks Inoue is him but Inoue is way more technical. Also we have seen when tank gets in tough situations he don't have that dawg while Inoue does. Ā We all know tank has low output but his 2 otherĀ weaknesses that people don't know about are:
1- it turns out tank has hard time fighting guys who are similar height to his since he can't duck under their shots.
2- tank doesn't know how to fight on frontfoot when a guy trades with him and doesn't lungeĀ in.
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u/OpportunityCorrect33 23h ago
Inoue also has a bad habit of dropping his guard and exposing himself when he throws his left hook. Tank is a counterpuncher looking for this exact setup
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u/solodav 1d ago edited 1d ago
Both have shown vulnerabilities. Inoue got knocked down by Neri and Cardenas. Tank has more power and precision than those two. Not sure Inoue would get up from a Tank knock down. Even so, he may be hurt bad.
Tank, on the other hand, got exposed a little by smart boxing Roach. Inoue is arguably a better boxer than Roach.
It would be a fantastic stylistic matchup. 50/50 IF (big IF) Inoue can carry power/speed up the weight classes. If not, I got Tank by KO/TKO.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 1d ago
Finally some common sense on this thread. Tank isnāt exactly Cardenas. Heās a legit 135 pounder who defeated a much bigger Barrios at 140. He can handle a guy significantly smaller than him, even one as great as Inoue.
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u/OpportunityCorrect33 21h ago
Inoue has a tendency to drop his guard when he throws 3ās and 4ās. The shot that put Inoue down against Nery was almost identical to the shot that put Garcia down against Tankā¦. Inoue needs to dial in that habit because it can and has been exploited.
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u/JfromTHEbayMAYNE 1d ago
What weight? Catch weight?
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u/ArthurFistMeme 9h ago
The āGoliathā Jake Paul was talking about was Inoue this whole time š³
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u/CacoFlaco 15h ago
What kind of catchweight. Inoue has said that his ceiling is 126. Doubtful that Gervonta can even make 130 anymore. The weight disparity is ridiculously large.
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u/YukaBazuka 20h ago
Naoya 10/10 times. Tank is a dog and an untrained one at best. He wouldnāt have the discipline in training camp nor in the ring to have a solid strategy against Inoue.
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u/solodav 1d ago
Shakur vs. Inoue would be super sweet too (if they could find a fair weight).
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u/Gogosqeez55 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not putting the weight into consideration Inoue is one of the most well rounded boxer with good prep time considering
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u/Elite663 1d ago
If Doheny was tagging Inoue with that backhand while moving around the ring, then I can definitely see Tank walk Inoue into something nasty
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u/Upper-Package-3765 1d ago
That's stupid lol, if pitbull with his limited skill was tagging tank than image what Inoue with his skill can do.Ā
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u/Elite663 23h ago
Yes Iād expect Inoue to press harder if he fought a one handed Tank. Dumb fight comparison
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u/Upper-Package-3765 22h ago
But tank didn't have one hand because he used both hands in the fight only at 12 round did he fught with one hand. Also roach got dropped twice by retired Herring and was outboxjng tank basically everyone has outboxed tank because of his low output. And the other 2 of tank's biggest weaknesses that people don't know is that tank has hard time fighting guys who are similar height to his since he can't duck their shots. And tank doesn't know how to fight on frontfoot when a guy trades with him.
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u/Elite663 19h ago edited 18h ago
Inoue is fighting open stance vs Tank and keeps majority of his work at mid range loading up on power punches, which is completely different than Roach fighting in closed stance and throwing short distance punches to counter Tank fighting in the inside. Who cares if Tank isnāt great at fighting on the front foot, heāll most likely concede to backfoot boxing anyways and score counters off that. Both guys struggled with fighting guys that were short as them, look how inaccurate their punches were vs Pitbull and Tapales respectively. Tank can very well get punished with the waist ducking by an uppercut from Inoue, but same time it can pull off for a huge counter j like how a 5ā5 Cardenas ducked and countered Inoue.
Look at Inoueās bouts vs southpaws in 122, he does his best work when either he has the opponent trapped on the ropes or he successfully baits traps anywhere in the ring to land a meaningful counter. But when it comes to actually boxing toe to toe at mid range, his rhythm can get very stagnant and he can get caught overextending due to his obsession with inside foot positioning and being too linear in his movements which are susceptible to angle changes. Thatās perfect for a Tank counterpunch to land, but Tank doesnāt use an active lead hand as much to stall Inoue in his tracks so heās definitely gonna eat some punches as well
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u/Upper-Package-3765 18h ago edited 17h ago
Except tank has the lowest punch output among active fighters, that's why everyone has manged to outbox tank even Leo Santa Cruz manged it lol. And why even bring up Tapales or Cardenas fight when inoue was trying to get KO because like inoue said I'm at best when I box for decision. And Cardenas only countered inoue because he was being reckless once inoue corrected his distance Cardenas couldn't do anything and both Cardenas and Tapales got outboxed.
While Tank way of fighting won't work against pure boxer because they don't launch in meaning he'll have to push forward instead of waiting for counter, and that's why Shakur is very difficult for tank. All Inoue has to do is use pure box style and win by UD.Ā And one major thing you are overlooking is that tank has been babied, when the chips are down and going gets tough, tank just doesn't have it, he don't have the dawg in him while inoue does.
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u/Ok-Cod2481 1d ago
Bruh Tank would Dawg him in a fight. You can hate Tank recent fight decision but don't downplay his skills and size advantage. His chin also is better which is extremely better as the bigger fighter
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u/Upper-Package-3765 1d ago
How is his chin better when he has never fought a puncher and also goes on backfoot and has low volume. That kind of style is going not work against pure boxer like Shakur so I think inoue will use pure box style. Also when going gets tough tank don't have that dawg like inoue does. I mean tank took a knee cause he had something in his eye.Ā
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u/Ok-Cod2481 22h ago
Y'all ignorance of Tank skills are disgusting š¤®. He's literally gotten some of his best wins via him going forward (Barrios,Martin, Garcia,Santa Cruz). Diminishing his skill to neutralize his opponent offense is not only something he does constantly but as mentioned it takes away a punches offense. Your opinion says Tank will only fight in a reactionary manner whereas his last few fights show him coming forward. Everybody should know once tank figures you out he starts hunting. Yes Tank don't have a dawg but somehow pulled out a win against barrios and knocked him down 2x whereas Keith Thurman couldn't do thatš. Tank taking a knee wasn't reflective of anything Roach did but Tank having something in his Eye. I don't like he took a knee but it is what it is
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u/Upper-Package-3765 22h ago edited 22h ago
You don't understand he never came forward when trading punches he lets them launched in and they go running and he comes forward like against Santa Cruz and Martin. But against Barrios and Ryan he never came forward. And that was the problem because against roach and pitbull they traded with him without launching in and tank couldn't press the fight. Basically he needs guys running backwards to go on front foot. And the knee thing is when the going gets tough tank don't have that dawg.Ā
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u/Ok-Cod2481 22h ago
Pitbull and Roach are literally his only bad showing in terms of not trading punches. And both have their own reasoning. Tank hand was injured during Pitbull and Roach was a bad showing+ familiarity.
Stalking someone down is literally the coming forward š. Once again he's done that with many of his opponents . .To say he didn't come forward against Barrios but knocked him down 3x because of him literally coming forward is a horrible liešš. If you're gonna deny Tank skills that are on camera let's just walk away. If you dislike him that's cool but to deny something on camera is crazy. Someone telling him he's down on scorecards and then he gets a knockdown next round isn't showing a dawg you might need to check ur biasness. Crawford literally did the same against Porter. Tank literally won against Ryan from coming forward and landing a shot š
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u/Upper-Package-3765 22h ago edited 22h ago
Come on we not gonna use injury as an excuse especially tank didn't even have surgery afterwards and he used both hands in the fight only in round 12 he used one hand.
Tank didn't come forward against Barrios lol he waited for counters that's how he scored KD cause Barrios launched in. And tank didn't come forward he again waited for Ryan to launch in and countered but once Ryan stopped doing that tank wouldn't come forward and then Ryan quit by taking a knee.Ā And that was the problem for tank against pitbul and roach they never launched in and they traded with him and tank couldn't press the fight forward. Like I said he needs guys running backwards like Cruz and Martin.Ā
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u/Medical-Ad4664 1d ago
inoue got dropped by cardenasā¦
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u/Upper-Package-3765 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean that was for being reckless and he never does chicken legs. Even tank would get dropped if fights reckless but he fights on backfoot with low volume which is going to be a problem against pure boxer like Shakur.Ā And if Inoue were fighting tank than he fight in pure box style.Ā
Also tank's 2 biggest weakness are,Ā 1- you see tank ducks very low to avoid shots. But it turns out he can't duck under guys who are similar in height as himself.Ā
2-AndĀ that tank doesn't know how to press a fight or fight on frontfoot when a guy trades with him.
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u/reznoverba 1d ago
Idk man, Nery sent my boy Naoya flying and spinning around. I don't like Tank as much as his lady likes him slapping her around, but Tank has the size and power on him.
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u/FormalKind7 1d ago
Inoue is better P4P
I think he probably wins easily at a reasonable catch weight, but I don't know if he could jump that much weight to meet Davis at his own preferred weight. He has room to put on weight/muscle but there is no telling if he would be the same sort of fighter after that.
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u/Senior__Woofers 1d ago
Inoue is a all time great, but even then tank is just so much bigger then him, if they fought at 130 Iād have it 60/40 in tanks favor. Now p4p??? Itās not even close
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u/Pale_Broccoli_2180 1d ago
130 would be a fair weight.
While Tank has a puncher's chance, I just feel like Naoya beats him to sleep.
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u/Badguyy101 1d ago
A good big man beats a good lil man. Gervonta feasts off of midgets smaller in frame than himself on a regular basis. He does Inoue dirty in the corner of the ring like he did multiple division champ Leo.
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u/Upper-Package-3765 1d ago edited 22h ago
If that's the case then what happened in Roach fight. AndĀ Leo doesn't have Inoue's skill and ability and that's what gervonta does he feast on unskilled guys.
One of tank's biggest weakness is his low output which lets to him getting outbox by everyone. But the 2 other biggest weakness that people don't know about are 1Ā tank has hard time fighting guys who are similar height to his since he can't duck their shots. 2 tank doesn't know how to fight on frontfoot when a guy trades with him.
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u/CretinMike 1d ago
I think Tank is a really gifted fighter who is kind of lazy, depressed, something. He doesn't care about his legacy. He'd rather have it easy than to work hard to achieve something. Roach was the tipping point for him. He's used to guys falling down and now they don't, he's definitely done with it. He won't work any harder than he has and he has plenty of money especially after the Jake fiasco. He's greedy though. We will probably get to see him beaten badly in a few years after he has really kind of exited the sport. He has been quiet quitting for years. He could have been a great fighter but he had no ambition and no desire to overcome real opposition against other guys as talented as he is.
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u/Vicequaizer 1d ago
The "if in the same division" can't be done because what does that mean anyway in all honesty? Does it mean to take Tank @135 and take 10% off his height, weight, reach, power an3 etc and assume he fights at 122? Or add 10% to Inoue's physique and assume he gains that power?
If it is the current size and skills and one matches another, @135 or above Tank wins due to sheer size difference and @126 or below Inoue wins as Tank would literally die cutting to 126 by defacto.
It won't happen, but in a what-if scenario if they do a catchweight at 130 I actually am not sure because it depends on how weight drained Tank would be vs how much speed/power can Inoue keep at 130 which is hard to guess.
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u/NoNotThatScience 1d ago
which limb would davis cut off in order to make weight? because thats what it would take...
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u/KingAnDrawD 1d ago
Inoue has the greater legacy and I doubt this fight will ever happen. But if rumors are true about their fight at 135, this is an extremely hard fight for Inoue and will require absolute concentration for 12 rounds not to get hit with just a single shot that could change the entire fight.
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u/DrPandemias 1d ago
P4P Inoue is a better boxer right now, its hard to say whats Tank ceilling but he gives a damn about boxing and has an extremely chaotic life.
Otherwise Tank is too big for Inoue, even in a catchweight it would be too much difference IMO Inoue would probably box Tank for a few rounds then a Tank counterpunch and Inoue is sleeping, he got dropped by Cardenas in R2 Tank murders him.
Those hypothetical fights are just stupid IMO.
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u/CuriousYak7620 1d ago
Inoue for the win but tank is still a threat. I don't think Gervonte has that hunger in him anymore tho tbh.
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u/nutcasehavingastroke 1d ago
Always thought that it was a ridiculous fight and Tank would win. But to be honest, I donāt think itās that crazy if Inoue beat him.
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u/OpportunityCorrect33 23h ago
Inoue has flaws just like Davis. It would be a good matchup and Shakur vs Inoue would be even better imo. All great fighters
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u/audiophunk 21h ago
Tank shouldn't be compared to the level of Inoue. He has shown his true colours. Time to move on to serious fighters.
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u/West-Database-5384 20h ago
It would be a good fight till tank lands flushā¦inoue is knockdown prone enough to get knocked outā¦if tank sits you down your a gonerā¦tank doesnāt come in focused inoue could get at him for sure though
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u/seonblack 20h ago
Tank 2 years ago clears, Tank now I'm not sure. Even in the Roach fight, he looked rusty.
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u/swap_019 20h ago
Tank takes it easy. Inoue tends to get caught. If tank hits him he is not recovering. That said, this is an amazing matchup and I won't be surprised if Inoue wins this.
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u/HeiBabaTaiwan 16h ago
Seeing how Inoue gets dropped alot if he gets hit with a serious punch by Tank it's lights out.
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u/Particular-Tough6651 13h ago
If they were the same weightclass and same size I would go Inoue just for the discipline and the mindset that he has but man its really a toss up when Im thinking about it...
Iām confident Tank could take Inoue's power and he is good enough defensively not to get hurt by Inoue, but can Inoue take one from a guy like Tank? Fuck no so even if I had Inoue winning I could easily see him do a mistake and get put to sleep.
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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 1d ago
Inoue would send the 30 year old prospect to the shadow realm
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u/ConanX12 1d ago
Tank brutally KO's him. He has a tendency to get caught and dropped in the earlier rounds. When Tank catches him, that's the end of the fight
IDGAF how much yal hate Tank and love Inoue.
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u/Upper-Package-3765 1d ago edited 1d ago
But that's inoue being reckless cause he thinks fight is easy. If tank and inoue were to fight he wouldn't fight that way and use pure box style.Ā
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u/schmatty23 1d ago
Itās time to be done with Tank in hypotheticals against legitimate champions, let alone Inoue. The Monster destroys Tank.
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u/CacoFlaco 1d ago
Another one of those idiotic "dream" matchups that totally ignores weight classes. Gervonta is a lightweight. 135 pounds. He's fought as high as 140. Inoue is just a super bantamweight. 122 pounds. Why would people debate this matchup? Inoue might be the superior P4P talent. But the far larger Gervonta destroys him. How about Gervonta versus the winner of Canelo/Crawford? Makes as much sense.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 1d ago
For every Manny Pacquiao, thereās a Kell Brook or Amir Khan.
And hell, I think Budās fight is much more reasonable than this. Bud is at least a strong fighter that walks around at a relatively high weight and can deadlift an absurd amount.
Inoue just got floored by Cardenas. Good grief. Heās not handling Tankās power. At 135.
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u/CacoFlaco 1d ago
At least Pacquiao wasn't jumping up 2 or 3 divisions at a time. He did it gradually. Gervonta is 3 weight divisions heavier than Inoue. A massive leap in weight. It's a fight that shouldn't be considered for even a moment. Davis would be a lopsided betting favorite.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 1d ago
Generally, if youāre jumping 3 divisions, you donāt want to face off against the most brutal power puncher in the division (and who unlike wilder actually has skills).
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u/growapearortwo 6h ago
I don't get this take at all. Like sure, Bud might be stronger than most 168-pounders, but his p4p dominance this whole time was still being evaluated relative to his size. The strength advantage he has over 147-pounders already factored into that evaluation. It's not an unplayed card waiting to be activated later. Whether or not his strength is a large part of his dominance up to this point, we can expect the same kind of difficulty from a given weight disadvantage.
Also, Bud is 38 years old directly skipping 2 weight classes to face another p4p talent. How is that more reasonable?
Btw, despite me saying this, I'm not ruling out Bud against Canelo. Amir Khan and Kell Brook were never p4p talents and they were going up in weight to face all-time greats in their prime. They would've been expected to get destroyed even if there wasn't a size disadvantage. Hell, Bud shut down Amir Khan way worse than Canelo did. Bud and Inoue are so many levels above those two that this comparison is just meaningless and tells us close to nothing.
I think the most reasonable take is that until September 13th, we really have no good recent examples of this kind of matchup, and any confidence in either direction is unearned.
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u/TheGhostByTheDoor 1d ago
Noā¦ with Tanks Career a better question who wins Tank vs Drederick Tatum?
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u/uptheglitter 1d ago
Inoue would spark Davis in the later rounds. Certainly wouldn't be one sided but there is zero doubt he is better. Zero
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u/VegitoLoLz Inoue Folds Your Favorite's Favorite 1d ago
Idk why people still even think of asking this question. Every time somebody puts these two in the conversation for a possible fight I immediately stop reading/watching whatever it was. It's such an unserious thing to say at this point. Somehow, casuals eat Tank up like he's the next coming of Ali so anyone south of Bud Crawford has to fight this guy to prove themselves apparently.
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u/Actual-Creme 1d ago
You shouldnāt be considered the best P4P while fighting at 122 lbs. Thatās the size of a high school girl, respectfully. You can respect the skill, but a grown man should be able to move up to 135 AT LEAST. Staying at super bantamweight is a choice
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u/Elegant_Brick5603 1d ago
This is such a funny litmus test on the biases of this sub. Because I believe this person posted hypothetical matchups before, and people gave their opinion and didn't feel the need to downplay the question and say what would happen p4p. That's not the question.
But these people downplay Tank so much and worship Inoue so much it literally would kill them to say tank would win.
BTW, inoue has been around 140 on fight night and Tank could still make 130. If Eubank jr Benn can happen, Tank Inoue can happen.
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u/fadeddreams555 If Crawford beats Canelo at 168lb, he surpasses Mayweather 1d ago
For the record, he was asked if they were in the same weight class. And yes, Inoue would win in this scenario.