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u/bedheadB188 6d ago
It'd be a better analogy if the crab dragged all the others with it to their deaths
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u/the1kingdom 5d ago
With one claw dragging the other crabs in and the other claw holder a sign saying "why would the other crabs do this?"
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u/Dozl 6d ago
Who else are you supposed to support when Labour's own deputy PM has been caught for fraud, and Reeves hiked NI contributions, causing the job market to get worse? Are you supposed to vote Tories again?
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 6d ago
She was cleared of fraud, don’t believe everything you read in the press. Nigel admitted fraud and paid the fine.
Taxes had to rise I just wish they’d had the balls to be honest about it.
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u/Dozl 4d ago
‘Cleared of fraud’ did you check the news 😂😂😂
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 4d ago
I did. She received poor advice and has offered to relay the £4,000. Cleared by the police. Regardless, she needs to resign.
The leader of Reform admitted wilful fraud.
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u/Dozl 4d ago
She never spoke to anyone - it’s what liberals do, just lie
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 4d ago
So she did her own conveyancing and legal services? Impressive
Rayner and Farage are both neo-liberals, they literally have the same beliefs and ideology.
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u/THSprang 6d ago
What do you imagine the set of people, wealthy people, that run Reform are going to do differently? They benefit from the economic status quo. They will sell you out. There are no politicians around currently radical enough to fix what has happened to us since 2008.
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u/Dozl 6d ago
the same people run tories and labour, my guy
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u/THSprang 5d ago
I believe that's what I said. But instead, you ignore that to support your rosette colour of choice. One of the reasons we are where we are. Being intransigent isn't force of will or toughness in a voter. It allowed them all to get away with so much.
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u/deslauriers2323 6d ago
What's Reform's plan?
Genuine question.
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u/Dozl 6d ago
clearly stated on their website. If they act on it, I think it should help move the country in the right direction
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u/Boogaaa 6d ago
If they act on it,
Mate, they won't. They will say absolutely anything, and everything they think you want to hear. God forbid Reform form a government, we will all be much worse off. More Americanisation, £150billion cut from public spending, less workers' rights in favour of the wealthy, the list goes on.
I get that people are frustrated with politics, and Reform may seem like a good way to protest, but they are the worst option for us all. You said you can't trust the Tories in another comment, but Reform is filling up with... ex Tories.
How anyone could look at Richard Tice and Nigel Farage and think "yeah, these are blokes I can trust" is so wildly unimaginable to me. They are grifters. Snake oil salesman and disaster capitalists.
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u/the1kingdom 5d ago
Ok cool.
Btw I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you. If you order today, you can get a case of snake oil half price.
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u/LilJQuan 6d ago
Labours weak, the tories are corrupt and reform are so fucking brain dead it hurts. We’re fucked no matter what.
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u/ukstonerdude 6d ago
Here’s a question; why wouldn’t someone like yourself vote for the Greens with a new, bold leader like Zack Polanski? I ask this because straight away I can hazard a guess you stick your nose up at the idea of voting for a Sultana/Corbyn party.
Zack did an interview yesterday and it’s worth the watch.
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u/Dozl 6d ago
Because they don’t like nuclear energy and we’d end up like Germany
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u/ukstonerdude 6d ago
Because wind and solar are significantly cheaper, and it’s not like it doesn’t yield results; Scotland had a net surplus of energy last year because of its green energy initiatives. We have so many car parks and buildings on which we can place solar panels without using up these precious fields which only ever grow grass.
Watch the interview.
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u/Dozl 6d ago
If you think wind and solar are actually cleaner than nuclear, I can’t help you
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u/ukstonerdude 6d ago
What? Something which is essentially infinite, abundant in volume, and also produces zero emissions is somehow less clean than a product which is comparatively rare, dangerous to handle, requires significant effort to source, still produces emissions and still has to be disposed of somewhere?
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 3d ago
For a fact, nuclear is the cheapest and greenest energy. Don’t believe the lies of the oil lobby
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u/Dozl 6d ago
You understand how bad the materials used to make ‘clean’ energy are? The process = good the equipment needed = bad
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u/AarhusNative 6d ago
What's bad about them? Could you try to be specific?
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u/ukstonerdude 6d ago
Are you actually going to say or produce anything substantive or just say bad things because you’ve been told bad things?
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u/sbaldrick33 6d ago edited 6d ago
Are you supposed to vote Tories again?
Have you looked at who's in Reform lately, brain of Britain?
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u/cartesian5th 6d ago
Not quite accurate
Reform want to go backwards, not sideways!