r/ChemicalEngineering Feb 09 '25

Research NIST thermophysical properties site is down

I rely on this data for my research why has the site been inaccessible for the past few days?

https://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/fluid/ You can’t access any of the datasets at the moment and the outage doesn’t seem to be reported anywhere?

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u/kikisplitz Feb 09 '25

NIST sells a stand-alone application called REFPROP. It’s amazing. Not only can you get properties of single fluids, but you can also do mixtures. It also comes with an excel add-in so you can calculate all of these properties within your excel spreadsheets. Hopefully your research supervisor/company will cover the cost?

https://www.nist.gov/srd/refprop

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u/MrHaugaard Feb 09 '25

If not coolprop is a great free alternative even though it might not be possible for you to use if you rely on the specific reference.

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u/Pueriintel Feb 09 '25

This is really helpful thanks for the recommendation

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u/TeddyPSmith Feb 09 '25

Holy crap how have I never known about this

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u/misterbakes3 Feb 09 '25

Thank god we are finally cutting useless govt programs such as this. /s

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u/verticalfuzz Feb 09 '25

I was afraid of this... unfortunately I didnt get any suggestions on how to archive it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1if6c7o/archive_of_nist_chemistry_webbook/

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u/Derrickmb Feb 09 '25

Oh shit.

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u/Nowhere_Man_Forever Feb 09 '25

Wouldn't surprise me if NIST is getting hit with blunt instrument trauma to the federal government. I remember it was down for a while when I was in college due to a government shutdown . This is pretty bad if true, though, because I use NIST data all the time at work and I would imagine many other people do. There are other ways to access than their website, it's just kind of ridiculous that this is happening.

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u/verticalfuzz Feb 09 '25

There are other ways to access than their website

What ways? Even if already listed in thsi thread, please explain.

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u/Nowhere_Man_Forever Feb 09 '25

Chemprop, and I think someone made a Python package for NIST thermo physical properties but IDK if that accesses through the website.

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u/APC_ChemE Advanced Process Control / 10 years of experience Feb 09 '25

It went down during the October 2013 government shutdown. I wouldnt be suprised if it had something to do with the current administration...

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u/GreenSpace57 Feb 09 '25

Yeah it was up until this administration

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u/gyp_casino Feb 09 '25

I reference the NIST handbook of statistics occasionally. That website has been dodgy for a few months now. Frequently goes down. My guess is that they're having some overall server issues.

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u/claireauriga ChemEng Feb 09 '25

Well shit.

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u/mynameismelonhead Feb 10 '25

i could never figure out how to use this site

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u/musicnerd1023 Design (Polymers, Specialty, Distillation) Feb 10 '25

It's back up as of 12:51 Eastern Time.