Uratha Tribes vs Garou Nation.

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Something I think about in a crossover event like a Doctor Strange/multiverse scenario is how would the Forsaken and Pure Tribes deal with the Garou Nation. Assuming they went to war how might it go about. Will Uratha get their shit rocked or will the Garou be unpleasantly surprised in how these other werewolves are fighting. I know the 2 mechanical systems are different but trying to not focus entirely on that aspect of the question, how might it go down?

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Assuming this is Forsaken 2e and Apocalypse 20th, I think it would go like this:

In a one-on-one fight, a Garou would most likely beat an Uratha. There’s no doubt about that. Uratha may be hunters, but Garou are warriors and have a much easier time inflicting aggravated damage.

In an all-out war between the two, I think the Uratha would overwhelm the Garou in the end. I know that exact population numbers are vague for both, but, at the very least, the Uratha certainly aren’t going extinct anytime soon. It’s stated that there’s roughly half a million of them worldwide (1st Edition, but there’s nothing in 2nd Edition that contradicts this), and their lycanthropy is more spiritual than genetic, unlike the Garou. While individually the Uratha are outmatched, they also tend to be more pragmatic, tactical, and cooperative than the Garou. They have less hangups about using technology, as well as underhanded tactics like ambushes or traps. Additionally, plenty of their Gifts, especially those of Honor, are literally focused on empowering their pack, and many their effects stack onto each other. You could make the argument that the Uratha are more divided between the Pure and Forsaken Tribes, but it’s actually not uncommon for truces to be made between the two. They’ve united against a common enemy over far less, and a whole alternate race of genocidal werewolves showing up would definitely bring them together.

If it’s a pack of Garou against a pack of Uratha across a region, it’s a toss up. Again, the Garou are generally stronger than the Uratha, but with the latter’s pragmatism, teamwork, and pack-empowering Gifts, I think it evens out.

Of course, it’s unlikely they’d instantly declare an all-out war if they met. The Uratha and Garou certainly wouldn’t like each other, but they’re both busy with their own issues. At most, there would be occasional violent skirmishes, but generally they’d just avoid each other. The Garou would see the Uratha as bizarre Moon Cults, or just werewolves who strayed from or forgot Gaia. The Uratha would distrust the Garou, but for varying reasons- The Forsaken wouldn’t feel comfortable with the Garou’s closeness to spirits, while the Pure would despise the Garou due to their connection to Luna. Tribe-wise, the two races would have a lot more common ground- Iron Masters with the Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers, Bone Shadows with the Silent Striders and Uktena/Ghost Council, etc.