r/ClassicRock • u/AffectionateFactor84 • Apr 25 '25
70s Best Replacement player ever.
I'd say the best replacement player ever has to be, David Gilmore. he replaced Syd. then helped Roger Waters produce 4 of the greatest rock lps of all time. DSOTM, Welcome to the Machine and the Wall. so then he goes on w/o roger to produce 2 multi platinum lp. who else is close.
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u/BadLuckPicard Apr 25 '25
Ringo
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u/coolass45 Apr 25 '25
Easily. The Beatles may have been a footnote in rock history if they never hired Ringo and fired Pete best
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u/jotyma5 Apr 25 '25
Joe Walsh replaced Bernie leadon in the eagles. Bernie leadon is a solid guitarist but he’s no Joe Walsh
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u/VERO2020 Apr 25 '25
Also changed the vibe of the Eagles from soft southern rock to actual Rock and/or Roll. Linda Ronstadt's backup band finally rocked.
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u/MaoTseTrump Apr 25 '25
Neil Peart
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u/The_Real_dubbedbass Apr 25 '25
This should be the number one answer and it’s not even close. I like David Gilmour but Neil is probably the greatest drummer of all time. And not only was he badass at that he was also their primary lyricist.
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u/Fresh-Hedgehog1895 Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
This is the true answer. Not only did Rush gain arguably the world's best rock drummer, they also gained a top-tier lyricist.
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u/ghosttrainhobo Apr 25 '25
I agree, but honorable mentions to Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden and Phil Collins in Genesis.
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u/TarkusLV Apr 25 '25
Steve Howe of Yes would be up there too.
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u/Electrical-Sail-1039 Apr 25 '25
The thing about Howe and Neil Peart is that they helped make their bands famous. Neither band was big until they were in it. Brian Johnson replaced Bon Scott who had a very unique style for an already successful band.
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u/S_Flavius_Mercurius Apr 25 '25
Ooooh I immediately thought Mick Taylor or Mike Schenker, but damn Steve Howe might be the best answer, I can’t believe I forgot about him lol. He’s so integral to Yes’ sound that I forgot he’s not an original member lol
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u/LuuTienHuy Apr 25 '25
So is Trevor Rabin, but you guys are gonna downvote this comment
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u/getrocked_onair Apr 25 '25
I prefer the Rabin era- Howe is a legend, but his playing doesn't move me. Rabin brought the right amount of "rock" to Yes.
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u/Extremely_unlikeable Apr 26 '25
He was my first thought and such a masterful musician. He was and still is the core of their best work.
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u/touchrubfeels Apr 25 '25
If we are not talking better than the original but the best replacement. Gotta go with Brian Johnson. Bon Scott a force of nature dies and the next album they release in the same year is back in black. Talk about not missing a beat and going on for another 40 years.
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u/Archangel1962 Apr 25 '25
Given Scott wasn’t their original singer you can argue he was the greatest replacement.
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u/Beneficial_Dealer549 Apr 25 '25
Warren Haynes really brought about a reincarnation for the Allman Brothers, and Derek Trucks did what no one ever thought possible in replacing Duane’s sound.
My jaw is still on the floor from night 1 of The Brothers reunion shows at MSG this month.
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u/facepalm1975 Apr 25 '25
Came here to say this. Was trying to figure out how to phrase it and scrolling when I came across your comment.
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u/JellyWeta Apr 25 '25
Ian Gillan. Rod Evans was no slouch, but Gillan took Deep Purple to a new level.
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u/ChickenCurryandChips Apr 25 '25
John Frusciante replacing Hillel Slovak in the Chili Peppers would definitely be near the top. Hillel was an outstanding musician before his untimely death. Replacing him with a nineteen year old guitar prodigy in Frusciante was a risk but he took the band to super stardom in the next few years. His solo work is outstanding also.
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u/mooman413 Apr 25 '25
I'm not the biggest RHCP fan by any means however Frusciante's playing is like no other. Maybe it's because of the type of music the Peppers play is why he doesn't get credit for his ability, but I honestly think he's right up there with the top 20 guitarists of all time.
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u/44035 Apr 25 '25
Mick Taylor
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u/Merryner Apr 25 '25
Counts double. Replaced Peter Green in John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers before replacing Jones in the Stones.
Peter Green himself being a fine replacement for Eric Clapton in the Bluesbreakers.
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u/winsfordtown Apr 25 '25
If you have a young Peter Green you also get a great songwriter. He also got the "Peter Green is God" graffiti. I'm not sure a 17-year-old Mick Taylor was up to Green's standard when he joined the Bluesbreakers
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u/Merryner Apr 25 '25
Well Peter Green is my favourite of the 3, he’s one of the greatest to ever do it IMO. But he certainly hadn’t reached his peak at 20 years old on his sole Mayall album ‘A Hard Road’, so Taylor is not replacing the Peter Green of ‘Need Your Love So Bad’ and ‘Oh Well’.
Mick’s playing on his first Mayall album ‘Crusade’ is good, on the second (Bare Wires) it is pretty incendiary at times (see: ‘Knockers Step Forward). By the time they made ‘Blues From Laurel Canyon’ 14 months after ‘Crusade’, 19-year old Mick had become a consummate player, and a worthy replacement for the 20-year old Green of 1966 (although nobody compares to the majestic Green of Fleetwood Mac ‘68-69).
Honestly, the age of these guys doing this stuff is mind boggling.
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u/S_Flavius_Mercurius Apr 25 '25
Damn beat me to it lol, most under-appreciated guitarist of all time and simply one of the greats, he’s probably my 3rd favorite behind only Jimmy Page and Jerry Garcia.
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u/Aggressive_Metal_268 Apr 25 '25
Legend.
And then HIS replacement, Ronnie Wood, was also a great choice, propelling them into an era of dance/funk songs and the "weaving" guitars of Beast of Burden, Just My Imagination.
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u/Relevant_Ad_7425 Apr 25 '25
100% agree.
Mick Taylor joins the Stones and they go on what may be the greatest run of studio albums ever produced.
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u/ShadyJake75 Apr 25 '25
I know they were still known as The Warlocks, but Phil Lesh replacing Dana Morgan on bass was pretty damn important.
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u/The_Real_dubbedbass Apr 25 '25
I don’t think most people even realize how wild that scenario was either.
Dana Morgan Jr. wasn’t just the Warlocks bass player he was the son of Dana Morgan Sr., who owned the music store that they were using as a rehearsal space. In addition to the rehearsal space, they were also using some of the shop’s gear and cabling. Plus, that wasn’t just their place for rehearsing and gear…Dana Morgan’s Music Shop was where both Jerry and Bob were giving lessons which was the primary way that both of those guys were making money.
But ALL of that isn’t what makes the whole Phil replacing Dana wild. What makes it wild is that Jerry made that decision while the Warlocks were playing one night and he saw Phil, who he’d been friends with a couple years at that point, dancing alone while high on acid. Jerry then had kind of a light bulb moment and thought that Phil clearly had good rhythm (as evidenced by the dancing no doubt) but more importantly, Phil understood music better than anyone Jerry had ever met. So he approached Phil after their set and told him he wanted Phil to play bass.
Phil was apparently a little reluctant because he’d never once touched any instrument in the guitar family…although he had learned violin and was apparently a great trumpeter. So Jerry convinced Phil to join…then he brought it up to Billy, Bobby, and Pigpen and he convinced those guys that they should sack Dana Morgan Jr. and put Phil on bass. He convinced them to trust him (none of the others really knew Phil beyond cursory introductions, etc). But Jerry convinced those dudes to fire Dana Morgan Jr. and bring on Phil…
And it was at THAT point when Jerry sat Phil down and basically showed him about 15 minutes of technique and then the layout of the fretboard at their first practice together. They played Know You Rider and just a couple weeks later they played that first real show at Magoo’s.
I’ve tried figuring out the exact dates etc. but as far as I can tell Phil joined in like mid to late March or early April. You can hear recordings of them from November of ‘65. It’s crazy to think when you listen to them that Phil had really only been playing bass about 7 months or so at that point.
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u/VonterVoman Apr 25 '25
Lindsey Buckingham
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u/GeoNerd- "And you'll no longer burn to be brothers in arms" Apr 25 '25
Bob Welch was a much more interesting songwriter but Lindsey is an incredible guitarist particularly on Fleetwood Mac's live albums.
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u/MisterBowTies Apr 25 '25
Ringo Starr
Brian Johnson
Bruce Dickenson
Ronnie James Dio (sabbath)
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u/Electrical-Sail-1039 Apr 25 '25
All great choices. I’ve give the nod to Gilmour overall. Ringo was the final missing puzzle piece in the greatest act of all time, but he replaced a drummer who never recorded with the band when they were famous.
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u/Glittering_Boottie Apr 25 '25
Yay Bruce. Not a Maiden aficionado but I recognize talent. Of course Ringo too.
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u/EyeofAnger Apr 25 '25
While Dio was a better singer than Ozzy, BS was nowhere near as popular with him. I never hear Dio-era Sabbath on the radio
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u/MetalTrek1 Apr 25 '25
I'm a Dio fanatic and my favorite Iron Maiden singer is Bruce Dick so I definitely agree with those. Ringo and Brian were no slouched either.
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u/flashpoint2112 Apr 25 '25
Neil Peart
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u/Popseewoy Apr 25 '25
I can't imagine where Rush would have went without The Professor
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u/Fresh-Hedgehog1895 Apr 25 '25
Exactly. Most likely they'd have been one more band that fizzled out in the '70s before anyone heard of them. It wasn't just Peart's drumming skills, he was Rush's lyricist and his ideas took their albums to another level.
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u/Hispandinavian Apr 25 '25
I think they still would have been as big as April Wine in Canada at least. Working Man was a monster amd their breakout and recorded pre Peart. He made Rush legendary but without them they were still pretty good
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u/CHSummers Apr 25 '25
Andy Summers in The Police. He replaced Henry Padovani, who (at least at that time) could barely play guitar. The change is about as extreme as going from a paper airplane to an F-16 jet fighter.
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u/Glittering_Boottie Apr 25 '25
Curly replacing Shemp, and later, Shemp replacing Curly in the Three Stooges.
But NOT Dick Sargent replacing Dick York in Bewitched.
Grace Slick replacing Signe in Jefferson Airplane
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u/Archangel1962 Apr 25 '25
Gilmour wasn’t a replacement for Barrett. He was brought on as an extra member though in part to counter Barrett’s increasing mental health problems. But I think calling him a replacement does both men a disservice.
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u/Templar-235 Apr 25 '25
Tommy Shaw replaced one of the original guitarists/vocalists for Styx.
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u/Electrical-Sail-1039 Apr 25 '25
I’m surprised nobody mentioned Phil Collins. Technically he’s not a replacement, but after he converted to singer Genesis got huge, although I personally like Gabriel’s Genesis better. Collins also had a huge solo career, as did Mike Rutherford as did Gabriel.
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u/WhosYourCatDaddy Apr 25 '25
Phil Collins was a double replacement. He not only replaced Peter Gabriel as lead singer, years earlier he had originally replaced John Mayhew on drums. Genesis had two albums out by that point.
Bonus points: Steve Hackett replacing Anthony Phillips on guitar was an upgrade as well, although Phillips was also pretty good, too.
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u/eurovegas67 Apr 25 '25
Agree with what you said, but Collins was their fourth drummer, and they were only three albums into their career.
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u/SiberianKhatru278 Apr 25 '25
Phil Collins joining Genesis in 1971 as drummer and backing vocalist was a massive game changer for that band. People forget nowadays what an amazing drummer he was, right there with Bonham on my list.
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u/Electrical-Sail-1039 Apr 25 '25
He really was fantastic. And all the time the guy could sing and write too.
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u/Montooth Apr 25 '25
Steve Perry, Kevin Cronin, Steve Gaines and Artimus Pyle, Bon Scott and Brian Johnson, and idk if he ever did any album work with em, but Derek Trucks was a fantastic late era member of the Allman Bros Band
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u/GeprgeLowell Apr 26 '25
Derek was on Hittin’ The Note, as well as the live Peakin’ At The Beacon and some other live releases.
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u/nimeton0 Apr 25 '25
There are far too many replacement players to ever pick a 'best one'. People leave bands, and life goes on. Ringo Starr > Pete Best [Beatles]. Paul McCartney > Stuart Sutcliff [Beatles]. Neil Peart > John Rutsey [Rush]. Geddy Lee > Jeff Jones [Rush]. Keith Moon > Doug Sandom [Who]. Charlie Watts > Tony Chapman [Rolling Stones]. Brian Johnson > Bon Scott > Dave Evans [AC/DC]. Bruce Dickinson > Paul Di’Anno > Paul Day [Iron Maiden]. Then there are the additions. What would Pink Floyd have been without David Gilmour joining? Yes without Steve Howe & Rick Wakeman? The Moody Blues without Justin Hayward? Jefferson Airplane without Grace Slick? The Doobie Brothers without Michael McDonald? Guns & Roses without Slash? Duran Duran without Simon Le Bon? RHCP without Chad Smith and John Frusciante? Styx without Tommy Shaw? None of them were original band members. Bands change members, and life goes on. Journey was a much different band before Steve Perry joined. Fleetwood Mac before Christine McVie, Bob Welch, Stevie Nicks, and Lindsey Buckingham joined. Genesis before Phil Collins. Blood, Sweat & Tears before David Clayton-Thomas. Many bands needed to make a replacement to become successful. Other bands made a replacement and continued to be successful, like AC/DC did with Brian Johnson, Van Halen did with Sammy Hagar, and Black Sabbath did with Ronnie James Dio.
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u/mostlygroovy Apr 25 '25
A little lesser known but the Black Crowes replaced their original guitarist after their first album with Marc Ford and my world would never be the same
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u/BartholomewBandy Apr 25 '25
The first time I heard Southern Harmony I was instantly pumped about the lead guitar. Cool phrasing and badass tone. You’re absolutely correct, good call.
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u/SiberianKhatru278 Apr 25 '25
Agreed. Other notable examples of musicians elevating bands to new heights:
Steve Howe’s arrival in Yes (with Trevor Rabin’s 1980s contributions equally transformative)
Genesis’ creative surge with Phil Collins and Steve Hackett
Ronnie James Dio briefly revitalising Black Sabbath in the early 1980s
King Crimson’s evolutionary leaps through successive lineups (Bruford, Wetton, Belew, Levin et al.)
Neil Peart joining Rush for their sophomore album – perhaps the most definitive case.
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u/SiberianKhatru278 Apr 25 '25
Of course, Rick Wakeman for YES, as well. Probably even more so at the time, as Wakeman was already becoming a superstar in the British music scene, and was easily the band's biggest attraction in the early 70s. Also wish to second Ian Gillian, a huge leap forward from Rod Evans, and Bruce Dickinson did wonders for Iron Maiden.
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u/TheREALSpeedBlazer99 Apr 25 '25
I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this but Zakk Wylde
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u/pointedshard Apr 25 '25
Buckingham & Nicks joining Fleetwood Mac. Kinda replacing Peter Green.
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u/Beneficial-Neat-6200 Apr 25 '25
5 years and several albums were between those two events.
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u/struggle_better Apr 25 '25
Bob Stinson
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u/imadork1970 Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
No offence to John, but, Neil Peart
Edit: John
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u/wingfan1469 Apr 25 '25
I don't see Kirk Hammet in this list, but I didn't look all the way down. I thought he'd be higher.
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u/eremite00 Apr 25 '25
Michael Schenker replacing Mick Bolton on lead guitar for UFO was a watershed moment for that (underrated, in my opinion) band.
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u/davethedrugdealer Apr 25 '25
No disrespect but John Rutsey leaving Rush and being replaced with Neil is probably the best example.
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u/ColoradoWeasel Apr 25 '25
Sammy Hagar replaces David Lee R…. No, I can’t even write that without laughing.
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u/S_Flavius_Mercurius Apr 25 '25
Hahahah best comment I’ve seen in a while. Van Roth or nothing
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u/weird_al_fanB Apr 25 '25
Honestly don't mind Van Hagar. I mean, if they weren't called Van Halen they'd be a really fun party-rock type group
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u/S_Flavius_Mercurius Apr 25 '25
Yeah I actually like a good few Hagar-era songs (“right now” kicks ass lol) it’s just such a change in sound and style that it’s like an entirely different band lol.
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u/morpowababy Apr 25 '25
Ok enjoy your nothing then while the rest of us can enjoy 3.5 good albums of material where our hero Ed can finally do what he wants.
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u/S_Flavius_Mercurius Apr 25 '25
Interesting take, I wouldn’t say Roth era Van Halen is nothing, and seemed like eddie did what he wanted the whole time as they were a wildly successful and incredible band because they did what eddie wanted to do
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u/reesesbigcup Apr 25 '25
Imagine if EVH first choice had accepted, Patty Smyth. I like Patty, and Id love to hear her sing Dreams. but Van Smyth, I dont think so.
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u/DifferentWindow1436 Apr 25 '25
Definitely Gilmour, but for singers, Steve Perry?
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u/SimpleEmbarrassed141 Apr 25 '25
I love Steve Perry, but wasn't he an addition, not a true replacement?
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u/DifferentWindow1436 Apr 25 '25
Good point. I could not remember. I just listened to Feeling That Way with both Rolie and Perry. Good song but Steve Perry brought that band to another level.
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u/Glittering_Boottie Apr 25 '25
Best replacement doesn't have to mean "better than"
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u/OkaytoLook Apr 25 '25
Gilmour was so good he eventually took the entire band over! The Division Bell is a magnificent album
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u/DadRunAmok Apr 25 '25
100% my favorite Floyd record. And one of my favorites regardless of genre, artist, etc.
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u/blunttrauma99 Apr 25 '25
Neal Peart.
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u/GunnerTinkle22 Apr 25 '25
Yeah this is the one. I like Rutsey’s drumming on the first album though
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u/GunnerTinkle22 Apr 25 '25
Uli Jon Roth Anybody? Or Michael Schenker for UFO?
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u/AtmosphereHead2483 Apr 25 '25
I love all Scorpions albums, but the ones with Roth are my favorites.
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u/Exciting_Agent3901 Apr 25 '25
Not so much replacement but more evolution-the Allman Brothers eventually evolved to have Warren Haynes and then I guess Dickey Betts really was replaced by Derek Trucks.
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u/Top_Translator7238 Apr 25 '25
When Chuck Rainy played his first session with Steely Dan, Walter Becker felt there was no point in bringing his own bass along anymore.
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u/freebird37179 Apr 25 '25
Steve Gaines replacing Ed King in Lynyrd Skynyrd. Even born on the same day.
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u/socgrandinq Apr 25 '25
Grace Slick replacing Signe Anderson in Jefferson Airplane. She brought not only that amazing voice but their only two hit songs, Somebody to Love and Whitr Rabbit.
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u/SuburbanBushcraft Apr 25 '25
I don’t know if the Chili Peppers are classic rock. It makes me feel like my dad when I hear the music of my youth on a classic rock station haha. Anyway, my old man taught me about great rock music and I’m doing my best with my kids…I digress.
John Frusciante was an amazing replacement for Hillel Slovak (RIP). Frusciante’s musicianship is unparalleled and brought the band into their own.
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u/AffectionateFactor84 Apr 25 '25
probably one the best example of a replacement that took the band to a high level. good one.
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u/Virtual_Tap9947 Apr 25 '25
I'd say Trevor Rabin of YES. He pulled that band into relevancy in the 80s
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u/TheRealSymphonictank Apr 25 '25
The answer is definitely not Donnie Dacus. Chicago never recovered from losing Kath. Turns out Pete Cetera was a douche too…
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u/Myghost_too Apr 25 '25
Neil Peart
Zack Starkey (Ringo)
Mike Patton Bela Fleck (New Grass Revival) Bryan Johnson (just kidding) Mick Taylor
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u/buttaboom Apr 25 '25
Paul Westerberg
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u/SparkyBowls Apr 26 '25
lol. You get the assignment. His solo album in 91 was fire.
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u/DomerJSimpson Apr 25 '25
Bruce Dickinson replacing Paul DiAnno. Even though I love the first two Maiden albums, Bruce took them to new heights.
Kirk Hammet replacing Dave Mustaine.
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u/Tense_Bear Apr 25 '25
I see your Kirk Hammet and raise you Cliff Burton replacing Ron McGovney
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u/stjhnstv Apr 25 '25
As much as I love Cliff and really wish we could have seen where he would have taken the band, Jason was an absolute beast live. So he gets an honorable mention in my book too.
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u/Tense_Bear Apr 25 '25
To be fair I'm a huge fan of Rob's work as well
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u/stjhnstv Apr 25 '25
I’m more a fan of how Rob seems to help center the guys. Like he helps balance out their personalities or something, they all seem more OK with him around.
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u/funkmon Apr 25 '25
That seems true. I like that he plays a bit closer to Cliff too.
Metallica has had great success with band mates.
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u/LSATDan Apr 25 '25
Neil Peart, for quality (though the first Rush album is very good).
For a seamless transition, AC/DC's Bon Scott or Fates Warning's John Arch.
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u/getrocked_onair Apr 25 '25
Steve Perry. Many people don't realize that he wasn't an original member of Journey. He was technically their fourth lead singer behind Rolie, Schon, and Fleishman.
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u/cdglasser Apr 25 '25
I would argue that Perry wasn't really a "replacement". Prior to his joining, Journey was always a four-member band with no dedicated lead singer. Yes, you could say he replaced the first dedicated lead singer in Fleishman, but Fleishman's stint with the band was so short as to be almost nonexistent.
If anything, I'd say the most consequential replacement in Journey's long history was Jonathan Cain taking over for Greg Rolie on keyboards. Like the change or not, it's hard to argue against the fact that Cain brought a very different sound and songwriting capabilities to Journey, along with really elevating their status to superstardom (he was in no small part responsible for the overwhelming success of Escape and Frontiers).
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u/Other_Name_317 Apr 25 '25
King Crimson... a rotating lineup full of great musicians culminating in the epic 80's quartet of Fripp/Levin/Bruford/Belew.
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u/the_DARSH Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
The album is called "wish you were here" not "welcome to the machine" ya David Gilmour (you spelled that wrong too) loving Pink Floyd superfan
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u/AlienZaye Apr 25 '25
Now I love the early bluesy sound of the Dead that Pigpen was a huge part of, but Keith, and followed by Brent, were both improvements on the keys for the Dead.
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u/Glittering_Boottie Apr 25 '25
Yes, but not in feeling or singing. Mind you, I never saw the Dead with Pigpen, but I certainly listened to the albums.
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u/ElGrandeRojo67 Apr 25 '25
Matt Cameron replacing the slew of PJ drummers before him.
Mike Inez replacing Mike Starr in AIC
Robert Trujillo replacing Jason Newsted in Metallica
Ben Shepherd replacing Hiro Yamamoto in Soundgarden
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u/666Bruno666 Apr 25 '25
Ben Shepherd replacing Hiro Yamamoto in Soundgarden. Took the band to new heights and wrote some of their most interesting songs.
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u/ostinater Apr 25 '25
Dave Grohl replacing Chad Channing a few months before Nirvana became the biggest band in the world. Same with Ringo and Pete Best
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u/Old_Ironside_1959 Apr 25 '25
Michael McDonald replaced Tom Johnston as lead singer for the Doobie Brothers in 1977.
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u/SwitcherooU Apr 25 '25
It’s a crime that there’s no Doug Yule in here. Some of their best new material (and most of their best live stuff) happened after Doug joined up.
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u/Reasonable_Finish130 Apr 25 '25
David Gilmour* and the album is called Wish you were here not welcome to the machine.
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u/mathpat Apr 25 '25
Johnny Van Zant stepping in for his brother after the plane crash is up there for me.
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u/Big_Bookkeeper1678 Apr 25 '25
I am going to get killed for this, but Phil Collins.
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u/AgeingMuso65 Apr 25 '25
Cozy Powell replacing Gary Driscoll after Rainbow’s first album
Jon Deverill replacing Jess Cox in Tygers of Pan Tang
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u/Huge_Following_325 Apr 25 '25
Given the wording, Jeff Back replacing Eric Clapton on the Yardbirds.
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u/AnotherSideThree Apr 25 '25
Just to veer off the obvious, I’m going with Larry Knechtel replacing Robb Royer in Bread.
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u/psilocin72 Apr 25 '25
Billy Cox for Noel Redding with Hendrix. The bass playing was on par, but Jimi played better with Billy Cox. Seemed like there was more freedom to improvise
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u/SparkyBowls Apr 26 '25
The Yardbirds kept replacing legendary guitarists with legendary guitarists with Clapton > Beck > Page.
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u/iusedtobeprettyy Apr 26 '25
Joe Lynn Turner replaced Ronnie James Dio in Rainbow and I prefer Joe.
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u/S_Flavius_Mercurius Apr 25 '25
Since someone beat me to Mick Taylor, I’ll say Michael Schenker . UFO was already really good making their unique space rock, but HOT DAMN Michael Schenker joined and said “Okay guys we’re going to make one of the greatest hard-rock guitar albums of all time” and the album Phenomenon was born, which I’d say is one of THE best albums of all time and does not get nearly enough attention