r/Competitiveoverwatch Apr 05 '18

Discussion Racism vs Racial Insensitivity in Esports

[EDIT 2] adding more explicit commentary because reading comprehension is hard.

The esports community has failed at this distinction and it has caused a lot of drama and consternation.

Racism is believing awful things about some group. [EDIT] Think of this as a measure of Character.

Racial insensitivity is saying something about a group that is offensive. [EDIT] Think of this as characterizing someones actions. You could also call this "racist actions", describing the actions a person took. I chose the phrasing to make a distinction between actions and character, not to pretend that this made the actions not racist.

[EDIT 2] The phrasing doesn't matter here and it's a shame I can't edit the title because people are caught up on this. The important distinction (again) is character judgement vs actions. Neither racist actions no racist character are something the community should tolerate. The distinction only matters in that someone who does not want to be known as racist will be willing to reform their racist or otherwise offensive behaviors when given the opportunity. That's why it's important to remember that, when it comes to Actions and Character:

These are not the same thing.

Both are incredibly important. Impact is more important than intent; it's important to be cognizant of how your actions are interpreted by the world around you. [EDIT 2] This means that being racially sensitive is a terrible thing and merits the punishments that have been getting given out.

That said, it's similarly inappropriate to always assume racism in the presence of racial insensitivity. [EDIT 2] This means that not everyone who says something awful and punishment-worth is doing so out of outright racism. Young, dumb kids say and do dumb shit for reasons above and beyond being a terrible person.

The important behavior we want to teach to players and fans is that sensitivity matters, and we undermine that by accusing everyone who makes a mistake on the sensitivity front of being immediately racist/homophobic/etc.

Racial and other insensitivity is and should continue to be punished by the Overwatch league and its constituent teams. The important result of this should be that lessons are learned, not that players are crucified.

Take a look at EQO's case - he made a mistake. For a lot of us, it's an obvious mistake but clearly not one he thought of. Both he and the Philadelphia Fusion made sincere responses to the mistake. This is a perfect example of how this shit should be handled. We as a community should also treat it as such, and while we should be harsh on players who do make these mistakes, we should also encourage these young people from various backgrounds to learn from such mistakes. Let them be examples to their fans, don't bury them in negativity.

This is really important.

[EDIT 2] For clarity since this has been all over the comments, EQO not only fucked up bigtime through his actions, he made it worse by trying to play coverup. The good response absolutely was at the behest of some authority figure in the Fusion, and that's exactly what we should expect of organizations in the league. We, as a community, should take a trust-but-verify approach - give the Fusion credit for their swift response and give EQO the benefit of the doubt that this was a lapse of judgement, but also keep an eye out that the final statement was sincere.

Take a look at XQC for another example.

In full disclosure, I don't like XQC. I don't like the majority of his fans. I'm probably naturally biased against him.

However, I don't think he's a racist, and I sympathize with the guy who is broken over being saddled with this label by the powers that be.

He made a mistake. Sure, he hasn't really shown that he understands this but at the same time, how the heck could he? He's being told he's racist which isn't something he's capable of identifying with. He doesn't share the beliefs he's being accused of, so how could he get anything from this?

He's not a racist. He made a huge fuckup and has been hounded by the community as if he's evil. He's not evil, he fucked up. He displayed poor judgement, that doesn't make him a bad person - it makes him human.

[EDIT 2] I thought this was clear from context but the important distinction is that he doesn't see him as a racist and continuing to accuse him of that worldview doesn't help anything. His actions WERE racist. You could say he was "acting racist" or "being racist" in reference to his actions if that terminology fits it better. Does he have a racist worldview? Only insofar as he clearly doesn't understand why it's important to be sensitive about how you show up publicly.

XQC isn't the first and EQO won't be the last to make these mistakes. So let's learn a lesson as a community and give these players the window to improve themselves and how they show up in public. Condemn the action, not the person - give them the window to reform. Let them acknowledge the difference between intent vs impact and use these examples to teach the community about why this matters.

Demonizing the people only undermines the opportunity for a lesson to be learned by the players and the community as a whole.

Let's maintain our standards, but enable our players to rise above careless behavior to those standards. Let's not saddle them eternally with the baggage of a mistake made of youth, ignorance, community-driven habit, and/or carelessness. Let's not make accusations of a person's character when they yet have the opportunity to grow from a poor choice.

[EDIT] This has gotten way more traction than I ever thought it would, so I'd like to clarify a few things in simple terms.

  1. The punishments were good and appropriate. I think the first reaction to negative behavior would be to stop it and punish. Only after should we look at how to rehabilitate bad behavior.

  2. The distinction I'm trying to draw here is the difference between Actions and Character. I think a redeemable Character can perform reprehensible actions. In the case someone does something reprehensible, we shouldn't shut the door on them redeeming themselves if they choose to accept responsibility and reform. That's really all I'm trying to say.

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u/Archyes Apr 05 '18

funny, somehow Overwatch is the only one where this is very common. Overwatch had more controversy in 2 months than all others combined in years.

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u/zant- Libero-senpai notice me — Apr 05 '18

CSGO has controversies often too, just recently Sadokist was calling people the n-word on his stream and telling people to kill themselves, which is imo worse than what any OW pro did. We just think OWL has the most controversies because it's new and it's "under heat" so it's easy to look at the bad things.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '18 edited Apr 05 '18

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u/StrokeCockToBans Apr 05 '18

Well when comparing to CS valve and tournament organisers generally do not care what you do unless you match fix/cheat.

The community also cares a lot less about minor stuff like xqc putting a TriHard in chat. I would guess that is because a lot more of CS esports fans as a % are European.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '18

it has nothing to do with the community, OW is just as toxic as every other online game

it's blizzard coming down hard on these things, not the community taking the progressive high road

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u/royalpheonix Apr 05 '18

You can be liberal and still be toxic. You can be a toxic community and still be Liberal

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u/allprologue Geguri Dragons — Apr 05 '18

weird that people think of this as sad and not progress.

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u/ituralde_ Apr 05 '18

It's not the only one where this is common - it's made more news because they were more aggressive about it so early and often. League of Legends absolutely had similar 'controversy' but it took them longer to start going after this behavior from the start of the LCS.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '18 edited Apr 06 '18

League of Legends absolutely had similar 'controversy' but it took them longer to start going after this behavior from the start of the LCS.

Like what? What example do you have besides Svenskeren racist nametag that cost him immediately the biggest tournament of the year, and Mithy and Nukeduck that resulted in both being banned from competitive for the entire year. These 3 cases all happened in 2014, even a League pro has trouble remembering an example involving a pro player being fined or banned for toxic behavior since then, and he was one of the few that did get fined for said behavior.

Edit: There's one single case that I can find of an LCS player being banned for toxic behavior FORG1VEN in the EU LCS in 2014 was fined 1000€ and 4 days suspension for toxic in-game behavior.

Other examples:

  • IwillDominate (was banned for toxicity before the LCS was a thing);

  • Jensen, or Incarnati0n back then, was banned for toxic behavior and for DDOS attacks (wasn't playing in the LCS yet);

  • XiaoWeiXiao was banned while he was a LCS player but it was for elo boosting not for toxic behavior.

So in the history of the LCS being a thing (since 2013), only 4 actual LCS players have been fined or banned, and only 2 of them for toxic behavior, Forgiven and Sven (I guess Hai as well if you consider flipping the finger "toxic behavior")

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u/ituralde_ Apr 06 '18 edited Apr 06 '18

Also had a case of DIG's owner getting fined early on for his behavior on a stream. Think it was 2013.

When LCS started there were w whole bunch that were banned alongside Incarnati0n as they were preparing for LCS qualifiers.

I'd have to go back, it's ages ago.

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2013: Shook (then enVision), Linak, StunnedandSlayed (now DarwinJax), Incarnati0n, Rayt3ch (now El Muppo), and IWD were banned for the season for toxicity/racism/anti-sematism.

2014: Nukeduck, Forg1ven, Mithy, Svenskeren recieved punishments at some point due to toxicity and/or racism. Odee (dig owner) given 1k fine for language on a stream.

That's just the first two years of the LCS era. As you'd expect, later on established players don't suddenly start shooting themselves in the foot and it's players on more fringe competition that see more toxicity punishments.