r/Competitiveoverwatch Apr 05 '18

Discussion Racism vs Racial Insensitivity in Esports

[EDIT 2] adding more explicit commentary because reading comprehension is hard.

The esports community has failed at this distinction and it has caused a lot of drama and consternation.

Racism is believing awful things about some group. [EDIT] Think of this as a measure of Character.

Racial insensitivity is saying something about a group that is offensive. [EDIT] Think of this as characterizing someones actions. You could also call this "racist actions", describing the actions a person took. I chose the phrasing to make a distinction between actions and character, not to pretend that this made the actions not racist.

[EDIT 2] The phrasing doesn't matter here and it's a shame I can't edit the title because people are caught up on this. The important distinction (again) is character judgement vs actions. Neither racist actions no racist character are something the community should tolerate. The distinction only matters in that someone who does not want to be known as racist will be willing to reform their racist or otherwise offensive behaviors when given the opportunity. That's why it's important to remember that, when it comes to Actions and Character:

These are not the same thing.

Both are incredibly important. Impact is more important than intent; it's important to be cognizant of how your actions are interpreted by the world around you. [EDIT 2] This means that being racially sensitive is a terrible thing and merits the punishments that have been getting given out.

That said, it's similarly inappropriate to always assume racism in the presence of racial insensitivity. [EDIT 2] This means that not everyone who says something awful and punishment-worth is doing so out of outright racism. Young, dumb kids say and do dumb shit for reasons above and beyond being a terrible person.

The important behavior we want to teach to players and fans is that sensitivity matters, and we undermine that by accusing everyone who makes a mistake on the sensitivity front of being immediately racist/homophobic/etc.

Racial and other insensitivity is and should continue to be punished by the Overwatch league and its constituent teams. The important result of this should be that lessons are learned, not that players are crucified.

Take a look at EQO's case - he made a mistake. For a lot of us, it's an obvious mistake but clearly not one he thought of. Both he and the Philadelphia Fusion made sincere responses to the mistake. This is a perfect example of how this shit should be handled. We as a community should also treat it as such, and while we should be harsh on players who do make these mistakes, we should also encourage these young people from various backgrounds to learn from such mistakes. Let them be examples to their fans, don't bury them in negativity.

This is really important.

[EDIT 2] For clarity since this has been all over the comments, EQO not only fucked up bigtime through his actions, he made it worse by trying to play coverup. The good response absolutely was at the behest of some authority figure in the Fusion, and that's exactly what we should expect of organizations in the league. We, as a community, should take a trust-but-verify approach - give the Fusion credit for their swift response and give EQO the benefit of the doubt that this was a lapse of judgement, but also keep an eye out that the final statement was sincere.

Take a look at XQC for another example.

In full disclosure, I don't like XQC. I don't like the majority of his fans. I'm probably naturally biased against him.

However, I don't think he's a racist, and I sympathize with the guy who is broken over being saddled with this label by the powers that be.

He made a mistake. Sure, he hasn't really shown that he understands this but at the same time, how the heck could he? He's being told he's racist which isn't something he's capable of identifying with. He doesn't share the beliefs he's being accused of, so how could he get anything from this?

He's not a racist. He made a huge fuckup and has been hounded by the community as if he's evil. He's not evil, he fucked up. He displayed poor judgement, that doesn't make him a bad person - it makes him human.

[EDIT 2] I thought this was clear from context but the important distinction is that he doesn't see him as a racist and continuing to accuse him of that worldview doesn't help anything. His actions WERE racist. You could say he was "acting racist" or "being racist" in reference to his actions if that terminology fits it better. Does he have a racist worldview? Only insofar as he clearly doesn't understand why it's important to be sensitive about how you show up publicly.

XQC isn't the first and EQO won't be the last to make these mistakes. So let's learn a lesson as a community and give these players the window to improve themselves and how they show up in public. Condemn the action, not the person - give them the window to reform. Let them acknowledge the difference between intent vs impact and use these examples to teach the community about why this matters.

Demonizing the people only undermines the opportunity for a lesson to be learned by the players and the community as a whole.

Let's maintain our standards, but enable our players to rise above careless behavior to those standards. Let's not saddle them eternally with the baggage of a mistake made of youth, ignorance, community-driven habit, and/or carelessness. Let's not make accusations of a person's character when they yet have the opportunity to grow from a poor choice.

[EDIT] This has gotten way more traction than I ever thought it would, so I'd like to clarify a few things in simple terms.

  1. The punishments were good and appropriate. I think the first reaction to negative behavior would be to stop it and punish. Only after should we look at how to rehabilitate bad behavior.

  2. The distinction I'm trying to draw here is the difference between Actions and Character. I think a redeemable Character can perform reprehensible actions. In the case someone does something reprehensible, we shouldn't shut the door on them redeeming themselves if they choose to accept responsibility and reform. That's really all I'm trying to say.

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u/merrissey 8=============D ameng wuz here — Apr 05 '18

This line of thinking is so hilarious. "I can't wrap my brain around why people are offended by certain things and refuse to even attempt to broaden my perspective, so I'm just gonna act like everyone is so outrageously over reactionary that we're living in a dystopian pro censorship society!"

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u/Voidward Apr 05 '18

People can be as offended as they want. I can understand people being as offended by anything they want. You have the right to be as triggered by anything you choose. Some people are deathly afraid of balloons, and they have a right to be.

You don't have a right to compel the speech of others. This is something you don't understand. Feelings don't trump liberty and law. There's only one country in the world that has freedom of speech in it's laws and people like you are absolutely fine with stripping it over hurt feelings. I find that absolutely disgusting.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

We don't live in a dystopian pro censorship society, but people like you are certainly doing your best to push it in that direction. I can't grasp how you can watch 1984 and say "yeah that has no similarities to my advocacy that certain speech be punishable by fine or law. People probably should be literally punished for wrongthink, but that has no relation to this dystopian future the author was attempting to warn me of."

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u/UglyDucklett Apr 06 '18 edited Apr 06 '18

See, the problem with this argument is that it's uh... Totally Wrong.

Free speech is a limitation placed on government, not on businesses or the people. You can't be jailed for making slanty eyes, and you have the right to vocally disagree with your government without being punished for it.

If blizzard wants to ban anyone who says the word "pepperoni" they are 100% allowed to do so. The community is run by a corporation, not the government, and abide by different laws.

And if we as an overwhelming majority decide that we don't want people who say or do disgusting shit in our physical or virtual communities, we are well within our rights to try and make it happen or to punish them in ways deemed acceptable by the laws governing those communities.

Our ability to have these protests and conversations is what is really protected by the first amendment, not some streamer's ability to say what they want on twitch or reddit.

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u/Voidward Apr 06 '18

You're conflating free speech, the concept, with the 1st amendment. I didn't bring up the first amendment. You're trying to hand wave this away as though it isn't censorship. It is. Censorship is antithetical to free speech.

I've got a bunch of people doing this thing where they're smugly linking me the wikipedia article on free speech, without reading it, and assumping it's going to be an article explaining the 1st amendment. They're not the same thing. I'm not falling back on US law, I'm discussing concepts, while people arguing with me think they've got this gotcha moment when they can feel smart while utterly failing to actually grasp what I'm saying.

I'm not even arguing for people's rights to make slanty eyes. I have an issue with punishments being doled out on the whims of a mob. Any group who can pressure the government or a corporation or advertisers that something they don't like is bad or racitst or insensitive in some way can ruin another person permanently, regardless of that person's intent. That is CANCER.

Yes, there's no laws preventing a person from doing something, but if they lose their job and no one will hire them, what's the difference? Is being a hobo so much better than going to jail? I am extremely uneasy with the fact that any organised group can essentially decide that based on their feelings someone can lose the right to earn a living.

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u/UglyDucklett Apr 07 '18

yes, if you are that major of a societal fuck-up, you will be ostracized from society.

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u/Voidward Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

So you advocate for mob rule and if the mob decides you've engaged in wrongthink, regardless of reality, then you deserve to not be able to feed yourself or your family.

Interesting position, not one I share. Thanks for your opinion.

Edit: Good to know Salem witch trials were also the pinnacle of justice. I used to think that was an abomination, but hey as long as the crowd all agree that it's a witch and they no longer deserve to live.

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u/UglyDucklett Apr 07 '18

you're being hyperbolic, try rereading the last paragraph of my first response

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u/Voidward Apr 07 '18

I think I've actually had my fill of reading your responses. I highly doubt they'll sound better the next time around.