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DISCUSSION MEGATHREAD: Peacemaker Season 2, Episode 1: "The Ties That Grind" - Spoiler Discussion (Thursday August 21, 2025) Spoiler
Peacemaker Season 2 is a DC television series created by James Gunn for Max. It is the third official totally-canon installment of the DCU's Chapter One: Gods and Monsters.
The second season consists of eight episodes. Peacemaker Season 2 will stream on HBO Max starting on Thursday August 21, 2025 until Thursday October 9, 2025.
Synopsis: In season 2, Peacemaker discovers an alternate world where life is everything he wishes it could be. But this discovery also forces him to face his traumatic past and take the future into his own hands.
- Cast: Starring John Cena, Danielle Brooks, Freddie Stroma, Chukwudi Iwuji, Steve Agee, Jennifer Holland, Sean Gunn, Robert Patrick, Frank Grillo and others. See https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13146488/fullcredits/
- Based on: Based on the DC Comics character, Peacemaker), created by writer Joe Gill and artist Pat Boyette in 1966.
- Show created by: James Gunn
- Showrunner: James Gunn
- Written by: James Gunn
- Executive Produced by: Matt Miller, Peter Safran, and James Gunn
- Produced by: Lars Winther, John H. Starke, and John Rickard
- Music by: Kevin Kiner & Clint Mansell
- Length: 8 episodes each for seasons 1 and 2.
- Runtime: About 40 minutes per episode
- Reception: See: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/peacemaker_2022/s02 and https://www.metacritic.com/tv/peacemaker/season-2/
Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacemaker_(TV_series)#Season_2#Season_2)
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- Peacemaker - Season 2, Episode 1 "The Ties That Grind" (Thursday August 21, 2025) - Discussion Thread (you are here)
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u/boatboy1800 3d ago
Love the revisionist history with the justice gang, thats one way to make the recap interesting
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u/SaulPepper 3d ago
lol its so funny seeing revisionist in this context, I usually hear it in political or historical contexts, in film and tv I usually hear retcon more. Still apt though
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u/Apprehensive-Top8225 3d ago
I thought I was tripping lol I knew hawkgirl and green lanturn wasnt there before in last season
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u/comfy_bruh 3d ago
I thought because of the trailers that they would have him go to the new DCU through a quantum tunnel or something, but I honestly didn't expect them to revise the ending as well as they did. And I fuggin loved it. It felt so clean.
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u/Less-Dingo111 3d ago
i was wondering how they would deal with the DCEU and they just replaced it in 5 seconds lol
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u/PeridotEX 3d ago
Was that Supergirl as part of the Justice Gang?
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u/LMkingly 3d ago
Superman, Supergirl, Guy Gardner, Hawkgirl and Mr. Terrific gotta be one of the most random lineups lol. Weird to imagine these and Metamorpho are basically gonna be founding members of the Justice League.
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u/FinalForerunner 3d ago
They probably won’t be the founding members of the League. The JG will fall apart is my guess.
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u/florence_ow 3d ago
I'm low key expecting the justice gang to split in peacemaker s2 tbh
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u/Deeformecreep 3d ago
I honestly doubt it happens here. They are minor characters here so major developments like that would be weird to do on this show.
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u/Enzhymez 3d ago
I think that it’s gonna more or less end in failure before the actual justice league forms.
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u/AceTheSkylord 3d ago
Either that, or they'll exist as a smaller "rival" Superhero team initially before the League takes them over
I do believe one of the Justice Gang members (Justice Gangsters?) will be a founding member of the JL. I kinda hope it's Hawkgirl because then there's a chance that they have the same core members as the DCAU JL did, but it's probably gonna be Mr. Terrific
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u/Less-Tax5637 3d ago
Yeh I know that Jimmy Glizzy loves less well-known characters but there is no way in fuck that a Justice League movie is gonna have Guy Gardner as the Green Lantern
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u/Enzhymez 3d ago
Ohh yea, as much as he loves introducing less popular characters no way he can avoid having to produce the most popular aspects of the DC universe.
Will be a while tho before we see it tho
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u/FinalForerunner 3d ago
bros not a fan of the justice league international (I dont think many are)
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u/Numbuh24insane 3d ago
I imagine that everyone part of the Justice Gang will be a part of the Justice League, though Guy Gardner wouldn't be the main Green Lantern.
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u/incredibleamadeuscho 3d ago edited 3d ago
Everyone but Metamorpho are pretty standard Justice League heroes. Guy is just the Green Lantern, but he was a big part of Justice League International. Hawkgirl got notoriety in DCAU Justice League. Mr. Terrific is usually a JSA member, but has been a Justice League team member as well.
Metamorpho has been a member, but I think of him as an Outsider.
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u/AceTheSkylord 3d ago
I don't think the Justice Gang will directly become the Justice League
Maybe one of the members of the Justice Gang (Hawkgirl or Terrific) will be a founding member of the Justice League and the Justice Gang will be a "rival" Superhero team, before being assimilated into the League when they go full JL: Unlimited
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u/Luka_Dunks_on_Bums 3d ago
Hell yeah
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u/PeridotEX 3d ago
Don't get me wrong it's cool it just caught me off guard. Obviously the main 3 members of the JG would be there, and Superman makes sense, but Supergirl being involved with Earth superheroics is new information.
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u/SupremeBeef97 3d ago edited 3d ago
I’m guessing in Gunn’s DCU she helps her cousin (and by extension the Justice Gang) when she’s on earth and not shitfaced drunk on another planet
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u/jdyake 3d ago
WAS THAT ROY. During that whole scene I was trying to figure out if that was him it was distracting. Dude looks good
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u/Accomplished-Cry5440 3d ago
Yep, it’s David Denman (aka Roy from the Office)!
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u/jl_theprofessor 3d ago
I was having like, an inability to process the scenes because my mind refused to believe this was actually him.
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u/K1ngPCH 3d ago
I know it’s a niche reference but as an NFL fan I couldn’t stop thinking that he looked like Andrew Whitworth
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u/Big-Bull-Thunder 3d ago
Oh wow they reshot the justice league piece
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u/greenbatborg 3d ago
Harcourt is definitely dating Rick Flagg in the other dimension.
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u/arandompurpose 3d ago
That was my feeling. That will be interesting to see if he and Peacemaker have a chat.
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u/ArchDucky 3d ago
Did you see the picture in the thingy after the episode? It was a picture of Kinnaman and Grillo hugging. It wasn't photoshopped. That dude is in this show.
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u/JermaineFinnaNut 3d ago
did not expect our Chris to accidentally kill his other self in the first episode, that was wild
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u/SDLRob 3d ago
I had a suspicion that was where it was gonna go. Doing it here was the right move for the big ending shocker.
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u/jmoneyawyeah 3d ago
His family is so wholesome
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u/Enzhymez 3d ago
Have a real feeling that we learn they aren’t so wholesome
Although that’s yet to be seen so I could be totally wrong lol
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u/jmoneyawyeah 3d ago
You might be right. For me it would be super interesting if Chris “ruined” two universes though and they’re genuinely good guys that break because they figure out he killed their Chris
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u/Enzhymez 3d ago
Tbh I could see him playing the role of the Chris he killed and loving it for a bit, only to realise that his alternate self/ family is not what he thought it was or it not bringing him the happiness he thought it would.
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u/Vessal204 3d ago
Yes this is what I think happens too! They’re prob gonna turn out to be some “for profit” heroes that have no problem killing, which goes against Peacemaker’s ethos
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u/avan2110 3d ago
I have a feeling Augie is the same as the one in the prime universe, but peacemaker and Keith grew to be like him so he seems nicer because they are mini versions of himself.
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u/Yamtoaster 3d ago
My personal read on it is he's more of a billionaire Nazi than a white-trash Nazi, he became a publicly adored superhero while still killing minorities just with a bit more tact.
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u/San-T-74 3d ago
I think it’d be more interesting that they’re genuinely good, but the fact they know there are alternate realities and that for some reason they’re doing stuff in Gotham and bludhaven rather than having the bat family do it has me weary
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u/SizzlingPancake 3d ago
Also the fact the alt-peacemaker was going to just straight up murder our peacemaker makes me think they're not the heroes that we initially think they are.
Chris wasn't trying to attack him at all and he tried to explain himself but the other peacemaker just wanted blood
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u/San-T-74 3d ago
Tbf he did assume he was a shapeshifter and Gunnverse Clayface fucks people up so I don’t blame him
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u/AlseAce 3d ago
Alternate Chris not asking any questions and going for the kill after he’d clearly won the fight makes me think the same
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u/Enzhymez 3d ago
That or he’s not the first multiverse Chris he’s run into.
Regardless I do think some fishy stuff is going on
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u/SaulPepper 3d ago
Main Universe Peacemaker is a hero in an antihero's suit. I imagine the alternate universe ones are villains in the guise of heros
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u/Wraithfighter 3d ago
One thing I picked up on, Peacemaker-2 was talking about how Chris breaking into his house was enough of a reason to, presumably, kill him.
I'm guessing that's a hint that Top Trio have a great public image, but only because they're very careful to toe the line about what they end up doing. Just a wild guess at this point, but it would fit and be interesting...
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u/Megalomanizac 3d ago
I’m wanting to say that this other Earth PM is visiting is either Earth X or something in the same vein where bad guys won and this trio is the JG of their universe but are actually state agents who work to fight against rebels and such. Their constant “saves” are actually they murdering innocents or the good metahumans of that world.
That might be a lot for a show to do though
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u/Naronu 3d ago
Metahumans at Arkham mentioned, and breaking out ofc
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u/1stmoviemaster The Dark Knight 3d ago
I was so excited when I heard Arkham. Cannot wait for the DCU Batman.
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u/mp3help 3d ago
I wonder if it's foreshadowing a Batman villain cameo (Clayface? Killer Moth? Music Meister?) later in the season like with Charlie the Gorilla in S1
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u/mccainjames11 3d ago
Clayface would make sense given it begins filming basically a month from now
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u/Ro95 3d ago
Rick Flag Sr. and Peacemaker vs Clayface
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u/FudgeCakeDevil 3d ago
They already kinda tussled minus (Peacemaker) in Creature Commandos though I forgot which Clayface.
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u/yoursweetlord70 Superman 3d ago
Music Meister would be a fun one, especially with the handful of song/dance scenes for Chris in S1 along with the group choreo opening.
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u/KindsofKindness 3d ago
Holy shit. Alternate universe Peacemaker is rich af.
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u/ryukxb 3d ago
I mean yea him, dad, and brother are basically superman of world it seems. But making profit off of it.
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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 3d ago
My guess is that they’re all Nazis.
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u/Wolf6120 1d ago
I noticed that Keith and August in the other universe both really made a point of emphasizing the German pronunciation of "Blüd" when saying Chris was supposed to be in Bludhaven (as opposed to the Anglicanized "Bloodhaven" pronunciation which is usually more common). Could just be a completely random minor detail, but it kinda caught me as something that could be a bit of a Nazi-fetishizing dogwhistle. Same with the conversation about the Imps, actually, there was a kinda undertone there that had me suspicious.
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u/simpl3y 2d ago
Yea I think its a universe where a certain mustached individual won
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u/CreepyClown 3d ago
Immediate retcon of the JL cameo
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u/Thirdhistory 3d ago
Fuck, man, that's a dark hook for a season. Meeting the version of himself whose life is everything he wanted his to be, and then snuffing him out and basically destroying his family a second time. Harcourt is also going through it.
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u/HK9009 3d ago
James Gunn really likes absolute failures and losers and then making us care for them ☠️
Even make THE Superman get his ass beat most the movie
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u/San-T-74 3d ago
Tbf, he was mostly getting his ass beat by himself, since he’s the only one who can do it
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u/witcher8116 3d ago
I mean lex's brain did the hard hitting , ultraman folded like a twig once the drones were taken care of
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u/LucrativeLurker 3d ago edited 3d ago
Loving how unabashedly comicy this new DCU already is.
We’ve now got White Rabbit) and a Krank Toys in the main universe. And the Rainbow Creature, the Sons of Liberty), Ultra-Humanite), and Imps are all mentioned in the new reality.
Did I miss any?
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u/DrD__ 3d ago
I dont think anyone else is mentioned by name, but they mentioned escapes from both Arkham and Belle Reve, and obviously Blüdhaven was mentioned a few times
If season one is anything to go by im sure we will have alot more mentions of the wider world coming up
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u/RX-54-DTitanusGojira 3d ago
It really does feel like a living breathing universe.
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u/ArchDucky 2d ago
I can't wait for Supergirl. They are doing the same shit with Peacemaker and Superman with outer space. Just full tilt expanding and building the world.
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u/JumpingComet 3d ago
I guess they couldn't get Mr Terrific do their tech set up lol.
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u/Paggy_person 3d ago
Dude probably thinks it's insulting, them getting him to set up some speakers and mic.
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u/Wraithfighter 3d ago
100%. Everyone else is underqualified to set it up, but Terrific would be so massively overqualified there's no way he'd put up with it. :D
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u/Lanky_Pomelo_8171 3d ago
I imagine he quit or formed another team of his own cough The Terrifics cough
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u/FinalForerunner 3d ago
I imagine he’s just doing more important things.
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u/KENPACHI-KANIIN 3d ago
Bro is still plastering the broken buildings in metropolis as we speak
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u/KindsofKindness 3d ago
FULL COCK 😳
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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 3d ago
That’s a strong tonal shift from the family friendly Superman. Not only full cock but also a dude fully jacking off. This is one versatile universe…
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u/Less-Tax5637 3d ago
Lil pink softies and full mast black mambas
What A Time To Be Alive
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u/ryukxb 3d ago
This pretty dark and crazy episode. Full on butt naked orgy caught me by surpise. Didnt think warner brothers executives would have balls to let james gunn have that much free control.
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u/National-Plastic8691 3d ago
HBO almost demands nudity in its series
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u/cloudzmumgey 2d ago
i think the only way this went through is because it’s season 2 😭
imagine if this was season 1 and some kid convinced his parents to let him watch peacemaker and this is the opening episode
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u/willallan05 3d ago
How are you gonna do a peacemaker episode with no interaction between peacemaker and vigilante :(
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u/JumpingComet 3d ago
Maybe we'll get to see Other Universe Adrian. He may just be a serial killer.
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u/willallan05 3d ago
Hmm, maybe since other peacemaker seems to be a hero, he killed the other vigilante? That could be interesting
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u/panda388 3d ago
No way, he will be an owl expert. Gasp. Or a member of the Court of Owls.
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u/HenrykSpark 3d ago
The gangbang scene was crazy detailed. Even The Boys didn’t went that far 😂
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u/RX-54-DTitanusGojira 3d ago
The Boys pulled their punches with Herogasm. They hyped that up way too much.
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u/bigstepper916 3d ago
Calling it now;
• Rick Flag Jr from the alternate Earth will meet his father again. • The alternate Earth is a fine place. I don’t think they’ll be evil at all. Antagonistic when they find out DCU Peacemaker killed theirs? Yes. But not bad.
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u/MDH_vs 3d ago
They’re gonna be pissed, I think. He killed his brother, his dad, and himself.
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u/Swerdman55 2d ago
Damn. Obviously I knew all that but seeing it so clearly laid out really puts in perspective how dark and twisted Peacemaker’s life is.
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u/RX-54-DTitanusGojira 3d ago
Peacemaker screwing over people’s lives in at least 2 universes is crazy and on brand
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u/LMkingly 3d ago
You know i wonder how these two universe haven't interacted before. Their doors aren't that far away from eachother in that dimension. You'd think there was a day where Peacemaker's dad and his alt son or alt self where all in that closet dimension at the same time picking helmets or whatever and hearing eachother or exploring a bit and noticing the same helmets and gear at eachothers doors.
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u/AeonTars 3d ago
Probably a thing where because this is being treated like a neighborhood with alien neighbors the alt-Peacemaker had to ‘move to a new address’ in the dimension for whatever reason. Who knows why you would move your door, just make up any sci-fi bullshit you want like their door becoming radioactive forcing them to move or buying a new location for the door with more space for helmets/weapons/etc.
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u/digitchecker 3d ago
I thought for sure they’d throw in a line like “you know we aren’t supposed to go exploring around here” or something
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u/savageboredom 3d ago
Especially when he already mentioned the Imps from "eight doors down." I'm guessing something happened recently that moved them closer together.
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u/jdyake 3d ago
Superman was awesome! My kid loved it! Cant wait to watch the next thing.
watches peacemaker season 2
CLOSE YOUR EYES! CLOSE YOUR EYYEEES
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u/The5thElement27 3d ago
have you watched season 1 with your kid? Pretty much a given
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u/lsf_stan 3d ago
yeah I would think most people watched Peacemaker Season 1 first after watching Superman... which would clearly let you know this was never a kid-friendly show
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u/KingBlackthorn1 3d ago
"I'm really good at sucking dick. Thats not a put down its a fucking compliment!"
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u/Iroquois-P 3d ago
I miss Do You Wanna Taste It
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u/althius1 3d ago edited 2d ago
Oh Lord!
I thought it was fantastic. They put so much into it, you can tell.
It's a great song too.
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u/yourtoyrobot 3d ago
Same, it just gets you pumped and the vibe fits more with Chris’ style than FS does
At least it wasnt 30 Seconds to Mars
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u/Robarazzi21 3d ago
I know the new intro just doesn’t hit the same 😭
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u/PejicFilip 3d ago
I thought the ending of intro was funny, it doesn’t even feel song matches up to dancing
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u/FlashyClaim 3d ago
Yep. That was catchy.
I don’t mind the new one but the first one is just that iconic. I wish they kept the song but with different steps.
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u/Kalebxtentacion 3d ago
Was that supergirl in the beginning with the Justice gang
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u/bristow84 3d ago
You know, I never thought that I would ever see a full balls to the wall orgy in a DC production but I’ve been proven wrong.
In a way it’s stuff like that that makes me glad that Gunn is in charge because he doesn’t have an issue making content for different age groups within the same universe.
Makes me wish that Marvel also embraced that kind of philosophy, I guess the closest we’ve got so far was Daredevil BA.
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u/PT10 2d ago
Yeah that's what Marvel has been missing recently... orgies. Where's all the comic accurate orgies?
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u/LucrativeLurker 3d ago
Okay so the “Jarhead” alt-universe Harcourt is seeing is almost definitely going to be Rick Flag Jr. right?
I’m assuming the ex mentioned is Harcourt.
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u/Luka_Dunks_on_Bums 3d ago
Was that Michael Rooker in the intro dance?
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u/FinalForerunner 3d ago
Something I really liked about this first episode is how much Peacemaker has grown from last season. I really thought he'd be the one to blow that interview with the Justice Gang but it was actually them. He was pretty professional throughout the whole thing. I thought he was doing great! Owning up to his past mistakes and wanting to be a force for good! I know if Superman heard that he would've listened. They messed up so bad that they had multiple people walk out on them mid-interview. (Seeds of the Justice Gang falling apart were planted there.)
Chris was acting pretty mature through each interaction in the episode, especially with Harcourt. It wasn't until she kinda shut him out that he regressed back into his old self kinda.
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u/PoosySucker69 3d ago
Kinda interesting how Sean Gun currently holds 3 roles in DCU rn. Lordtech CEO, Weasel and GI robot.
Also Bludhaven and Arkham mentioned along with Rabbit Girl cameo. We are getting Gotham villains sooner than expected
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u/Advanced-Estimate-29 3d ago
I really like this use of the multiverse instead of fan service or other more uncreative things we’ve seen. Presenting what seems like the answer to all of his problems and the better version of his life right as he was coming to terms with everything that happened to him to challenge his character development and further his growth is well done already and looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
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u/sawthewholeofthemoon 3d ago
Cena’s acting this episode is probably the best work I’ve seen from him
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u/jl_theprofessor 3d ago
You mean using the multiverse in service to a well developed plot that looks like it could hit strong character and emotional beats?
Yeah I'll take that use of the multiverse any day.
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u/Baelorn 3d ago
I really like this use of the multiverse instead of fan service or other more uncreative things we’ve seen
The key to telling a good multiverse story has always been character development and meaningful interactions that wouldn't be possible otherwise. You can do the one-off, fun multiverse stuff now and then but the important stories need to have weight even if the consequences are altered simply by having the multiverse exist.
There are some good examples of that in the MCU but very few and far between. Funnily enough Agents of SHIELD laid the groundwork on how to do a multiverse story in the MCU extremely well with the Framework arc but they ignored every single thing that show did right because of internal studio politics.
What's worse is that after watching Fantastic Four it seems like they still don't get it. The MCU multiverse is just "bad guy from another Universe is coming to mess up our Universe :(" and nostalgia bait.
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u/DavidTheJohnson 3d ago
Really fun premiere. Great references to the wider DCU (and beyond) while still making this its own thing. Surprised to see the Justice League retcon though, I admittedly thought that would've been brushed aside or ignored.
That being said, does Corenswet's Superman have a poop fetish? Is this was "#Supershit" was really about?
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u/Landon1195 3d ago
I wonder how long this takes place after Superman considering it didn't seem like Kara was a publicly known hero yet in Superman
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u/DrD__ 3d ago edited 3d ago
not long, Bordeaux says that the energy reading they pickedup last time from peacemakers house (the opening of the episode when he first goes to earth 2) was in january, and the show takes place 6 months after that, Bordeaux mentions the superman incident happening "this summer" so it can't have been that long before since that would mean the show takes place in july or august
Its not like anyone from the public was there to watch kara and the gang show up to where the cow was anyway, so she might still not be known about, maybe she just tagged along cause she was chilling with clark when he got the call
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u/Zanoklido 3d ago
I don't think there was enough info about her in Superman to know for sure, but she had a full suit at the end, so I assumed she's somewhat active already.
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u/Megalomanizac 3d ago
They mentioned the “Luthor” incident happening in the summer. The movie canonically took place in May or June of 2025, so it’s only been a few months since Superman
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u/johndelvec3 3d ago
Another James Gunn superhero project another banger soundtrack, the man does not miss
I really hope Peacemaker becomes a mainstay in this new DCU. I’m curious to see how this sets up the broader DCU storyline like Gunn said
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u/Paggy_person 3d ago
I wonder what the catch will be for that perfect universe, or it is indeed perfect but main Chris being there with ARGUS trying to get him will fuck everything up.
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u/RX-54-DTitanusGojira 3d ago
It’s probs a white supremacist dystopia. There’s a reason the white dragon is happy and lives in a mansion
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u/InformationFun8865 3d ago
Bludhaven mention, Gotham mention, Arkham mention, White Rabbit, and Rainbow Monster. Definitely the most Batman references we’ve gotten so far. I wonder if Gunn is getting ready to reveal something about it?
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u/Vessal204 3d ago
Anyone else catch the Blüdhaven reference? Does that mean we’re getting Nightwing soon??? 👀👀
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u/scrubsonbinge 3d ago
That depression orgy was something 😅 Did not expect Peacemaker killing his other self almost immediately, great end to the episode. Harcourt really be suffering from toxic masculinity 😂 Liked how they made one difference in recap and changed the universe. Watching this episode so soon after superman was fun. The cameos and the references to the movies. Excited to see what's coming.. I miss the old intro but this new one is goofy too. The music choices are perfect in this show!
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u/jhughes1986 3d ago
Alt Chris is definitely being thrown in Chekhov’s incinerator
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u/incredibleamadeuscho 3d ago
Really awesome premiere. It's a side of saving the world you don't get to see; Peacemaker and the gang saved the world, and not only didn't get rewarded, but many of them got punished. Chris inadvertently killing another Peacemaker is a great set up.
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u/KingofMadCows 3d ago
So it seems like people from different universes are all sharing the QUC. That probably means Auggie didn't build the whole thing and he only built a doorway to it. I wonder who made the QUC originally. It could be a Monitor thing or a 4th World thing.
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u/AceTheSkylord 3d ago edited 3d ago
Superman has now appeared in all 3 DCU projects in some form
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u/MrCowabs 3d ago
The whole “is this DCEU Chris” and “what’s the canon” stuff is way overthought now. Just follow the show and we’ll be told - if we’re not told then it doesn’t matter.
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u/Swerdman55 2d ago
It’s a retcon. Everything from S1 is canon aside from the stuff about the Justice League. Just swap it all for Justice Gang and you’re caught up.
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u/sworedmagic 3d ago
Was that fucking WHITE RABBIT running out of the Justice Gang audition crying???? LMAO