r/DC_Cinematic • u/Murky-Arugula63 • 1d ago
DISCUSSION I think reverse flash should be justice league level villain, not just flash
He got potential.
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u/Agreeable_Race5885 1d ago
Yeah could be but the only guy who needs to stop him is the Flash. A villain like brainiac, Darkseid even Doomsday would be more fitting. Since they all need each others help
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u/Zabbla 1d ago
I don't think Doomsday should be a JL movie threat. His entire characterisation is "Rage monster that kills Superman". He couldn't be the main villain of a movie.
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u/Agreeable_Race5885 1d ago
But it's not Superman that just fights him you know if they can actually get the characters right they can make a movie about how Superman died and came back in a Justice League movie. All they need is to make the characters right and the can't go wrong with the story.
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u/Zabbla 1d ago
I just think it would work better in a Superman movie. Have the JL show up at the end to help Superman fight Doomsday before he's killed, I just don't think it should be the plot of another JL movie.
But then again, I'm not James Gunn and I trust whatever he decides to do.
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u/Agreeable_Race5885 1d ago
Facts we can argue all we want at the end of the day he gets to do what he wants
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u/Raguleader 21h ago
To be fair, in the comics, he also beat the brakes off of a staggaring selection of superheroes before he killed Superman.
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u/Flying_Sea_Cow 23h ago
I actually don't want to see Doomsday in the DCU at all. Very boring character outside of the killing Superman event, and is basically a time capsule of 90s comics.
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u/Capable-Locksmith-13 22h ago
The version of the character in Superman and Lois begs to differ. That was an amazing iteration.
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u/Johnmegaman72 1d ago
Its not that he cant. Its more that the character itself doesnt want to. He's too petty to take the entire team, like that phrase "your so horny its making you stupid" applies to him
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u/WayCheap3949 1d ago
I dont think this works his sole existence is torturing flash he doesnt care about anything beyond that he would only go toe to toe with the league to cause agony to flash and that wouldn’t make a feature length movie
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u/derpdankstrom 22h ago
if flash is full power with speed force they have to unless flash can literally finish every conflict/plot in less than a second. they need thawne to balance it out
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u/ChildofObama 22h ago
Even Gustin said Flash is a hard character to make sustainable cuz realistically, with his power level, he should be unbeatable and be able to do whatever he wants.
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u/derpdankstrom 21h ago
it's a herculean task removing plot holes for speed force users but comparing CW and gunn are like 2 diff ends rating spectrum, plus gunn already balanced out superman by giving lex near infinite resources while barely using any kryptonite.
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u/Whyamibeautiful 22h ago
Honestly we need a villain team up movie. Idt we’ve gotten an evil team of villains yet from any comic book movie
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u/Wars4w 22h ago
It would be cool to see a story like that old from the villain's perspective. We follow their attempts at overcoming the super hero and team up only to force the super heroes to team up as well.
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u/Whyamibeautiful 22h ago
Yea it doesn’t necessarily need to be from their pov we just haven’t had all these different main villians teaming up
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u/Ar-Sakalthor 19h ago
I have been sitting on a homemade scenario for a JL: Legion of Doom film (that I started writing upon ZSJL releasing) for almost 4 years now
It basically started as a dark mirror of JL, with Batman monitoring and foiling several Luthor operations across the globe with the help of the League, forcing him to branch out and seek help, by recruiting other supervillains with specific grudges against the JL members : Deathstroke is obvious but also Manta, Cheetah, Captain Cold (I was on the fence with Black Adam or Sinestro, because Luthor's basically a human supremacist, he wouldn't seek help from magical beings or aliens).
Basically it would have a convoluted underground thriller scenario (not unlike CA:WS with the detective aspect) as the JL attempts to track the LoD's activities, and the climax would be a big-ass battle between both teams in the decrepit Wayne mansion, basically ruining the place while reporters film the whole thing from afar.
The end would be a pyrrhic victory for the JL, as they are publically acknowledgd, endorsed by the USA and officially funded by the Wayne Foundation, but Luthor's record is wiped and he is reinstated as CEO of LexCorp. The movie would end in an X-2 like sequence with Superman giving Lex the "we'll be watching" talk in his office (possibly opening for a President Luthor scenario for a MoS sequel)
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u/----atom----- 1d ago
I disagree. It's debatable whether Thawne could beat villains like Darkseid or Brainiac in a fight. But strength isn't just a linear thing. Just because Thawne may be able to stand up to them one-on-one doesn't mean he's stronger. Other Justice League villains (like Darkseid or Brainiac) are capable of destruction on a larger scale, and will generally take longer and more effort to dispatch.
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u/jackfaire 23h ago
Yes but he's fixated on the Flash. There's even a reality where he takes the Flash's place.
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u/MUSAFIR_- 20h ago
Reminds me of how reverse flash was the main big bad of the Snyderverse manipulating timelines behind the scenes just to mess with Barry? Seemed interesting take to me
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u/Zachary2030 1d ago
If he was than he’d probably just be like Norman Osborn was during Dark Reign. Sure he’d probably be able to keep himself together to take down the league but how long before he loses it and just starts doing his whole “I hate you Barry, I’m gonna expose my weakness because I can’t think strait because I HATE YOU”
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u/Puzzleheaded-Row434 23h ago
I agree. I also agree with the comments tho that while he can be league level, his story is directly tied to Barry. So there'd have to be story reasons to loop in the whole league.
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u/UncommittedBow 22h ago
In terms of power? yeah. Hes JL level.
Motivation-wise he JUST has it out for Flash. Therefore the rest of the League means nothing to him
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u/ciarabek 22h ago
a fun idea for an animated movie would be the earth-3 reverse justice league vs their original counterparts, like the justice league crisis on two earths film but for the bad guys. i feel like it would be a fun way of exploring reverse flash as a justice league level threat without shouldering him with the entire story. i feel like earth 3 reverse flash would go by the old professor zoom moniker. though tbh i really just want to see more of the heroic jester and what that looks like. his segment in that film was too short.
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u/Wonderful_Gap4867 22h ago
Wasn’t he the original villain in the DCEU? Before WB changed it
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u/Ar-Sakalthor 19h ago
Never heard about that, Darkseid was always the endgame for the DCEU - Flash's bespoke villain in Luthor's league in JL2 was even Captain Cold iirc
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u/Wonderful_Gap4867 14h ago
Yeah Zack Snyder confirmed that Reverse Flash was the secret antagonist messing with everything behind the scenes and the real final was a Flashpoint movie which according to the plans, was really comic accurate. It would end with a full reboot. I think that’s why Zack didn’t care about comic accuracy, because he knew they’d reboot in the end.
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u/Ashamed-Fondant8135 20h ago
I think we should just stop it tthe reverse flash is the flash villain not a justice league villain give that to doomsday or Darkside
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u/Kiki_And_Horst 19h ago
He's my least favorite type of comic book villain, honestly. Evil doppelganger with the same powers and Reverse-Flash's dumb name and the fact that he literally dresses like a Player 2 version of the Flash make him even worse than usual.
Ultraman worked fine in Superman because he was just a grunt, not the main villain, but Thawne doesn't particularly interest me as a main antagonist to the Flash, let alone the whole JL.
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u/elixxonn 19h ago
Beyond an "It was me, Barry. I brought the transdimensional army!" he really has no potential. He's just one speedster.
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u/sickostrich244 19h ago
The problem is the whole point of Eobard Thawne is to be a rival to Barry Allen. If you wanted to tie in the JL to his threat with the Flash then sure but I don't think it makes sense to do Reverse Flash without Flash being a protagonist
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u/FlamingEagleAC 19h ago
Threat-wise, yeah.
But Thawne is fixated on Barry at the most pettiest of levels
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u/Skybuilder23 19h ago
He doesn't give much of a shit about anyone other than Barry. Even when he fights Wally, it's is piss off Barry.
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u/HaikusfromBuddha 18h ago
I agree but it should be Flash to take him down imo. Like how Superman should take down Darkseid. Also in justice league animated series, Batman mainly dealt with the Joker when he took over Los Vegas while the rest of the team deal with the bombs.
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u/PiousSkull 17h ago
Thawne is threatening enough to oppose the Justice League, but he is absolutely obsessed with the Flash. He would fight other Leaguers if they got in the way of his plans to fuck with Flash, but aside from that, he's mostly disinterested in them.
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u/Drew_Da-Poet 16h ago
Imagine a movie where Luthor establishes the Injustice League with Thawne being a member, but by the end of the film Thawne fucks over all the other villains to torture Barry in some way, resulting in some of the villains and heroes having to team up to get back to the main timeline
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u/itzmrinyo 14h ago
Maybe if the flash isn't around I guess?? Otherwise it feels reductive for the rest of the team for an "evil justice league member" archetype to need the entire justice league, rather than the justice league member they're an evil archetype of. It's like arguing Zod should be a justice league level threat, like Superman should be able to handle him?
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u/LightningLad2029 14h ago
Nah, Thawne could give a damn about the Justice League. His only obsession should be making Barry's life a living hell.
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u/HawkeyeP1 12h ago
He should be in a Flash sequel with multiple Justice League members or heroes as a supporting cast.
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u/Crazy-Background1457 8h ago
Maybe for a JL vs the legion of doom film and at the end we can have a plot twist where Thawne betrays Lex and becomes the main threat.
Otherwise I don’t see why he’d be there.
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u/idontknowlazy 5h ago
Dude wouldn't just torture Barry but Clark, Bruce and the rest of them! "Remember when you were having an intimate time you lover? That was actually me!"
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u/FlashLightning277 2h ago
His only petty is against Barry. Though I am not opposed to him being in the Injustice League or Legion of Doom if we get that
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u/Clamsadness 1d ago
Threat level, yes. But story-wise he’s just tied to the Flash so he wouldn’t make a good villain for a Justice League movie.