Simply put, I never felt like I got to know Cavill’s Superman as a person. I really liked Man of Steel when it came out as an initial introduction to the character and the world, but I really wanted the sequel to dive deeper into what makes him tick. Instead, BvS and Justice League (either version) both got busier and more plot-driven, and felt like they were keeping me at an emotional arms length away from really empathizing or understanding the character.

Superman 2025, however, more or less gave me everything I need to know about Superman’s personality and character to fuel several more stories, whether or not he’s actually the main focus. There’s still room to develop and grow, of course, but I feel like the audience is familiar enough with him after one movie that it’ll be fun just to see him dropped in to other stories and worlds. He can still have a great character arc regardless of whether or not he’s always playing the central protagonist.

This is the difference between Snyder's Superman and Gunn's Superman. Zack Snyder wanted to adapt a shitty Injustice storyline by making Superman mentally weak & confused, complaining like a bich because Lex was blackmailing him to fight Batman.

I know, everyone was tired of this discussion 12 years ago. It’s been beaten into the ground. But I’ve noticed a lot of counter-pushback in the last however many years where people basically brush off any and all criticism and act like it’s not a big deal or that people are making stuff up to hate on the movie.

I grew up on Man of Steel, it came out when I was 12 and I thought it was literally the coolest thing ever. I still really like the movie. But I just watched it for the first time in probably 5, 7 years and guys, the movie was pretty fucking ridiculous in terms of the endless destruction. The last hour of the movie is so fucking over the top it becomes comical.

I will say it’s not really all Kal’s fault or anything. I don’t really have a problem with the world machine destroying the city because I think that makes sense. I do think some of it is head scratching on Superman’s behalf and that this fandom tends to give him too much benefit of doubt, but overall it’s more so a Zack Snyder issue. The movie starts to feel like destruction porn. It starts to feel like he wanted to film a movie about an alien invasion leveling a city for an hour and used Superman to do it. Every single movement or punch leads to 3 buildings collapsing and 5 explosions. I lost count of the amount of times I saw a helicopter or jet slam into the ground and cause a ripple of 20 explosions or I saw a building start super dramatically collapsing on top of people.

Let’s start with the Smallville fight. I know it’s Kal’s first real fight and he doesn’t really know what he’s doing. But look, he tackles Zod all the way back at Ma Kent’s house and then spends a good 15 seconds flying Zod across miles and miles of corn field specifically just to slam him into a 7/11 and cause a massive fucking explosion that probably killed or injured at least a few people. Was that intentional by him? No, but it was intentional by Zack Snyder because he wanted cool shots of them blowing stuff up so as a result it makes Superman look reckless. At least in this fight he says “get inside it’s not safe” and saves the pilot but that’s it really it. Again, it’s not necessarily Kal’s fault but we get scenes where they go crashing into the iHop and Kal looks around seeing like 50 people in the restaurant that he almost just flattened to death and his instinct is to start trying to swing on Faora in the middle of this crowd of people instead of do something like fly at her and push her out of there which he can conveniently do to Kryptonians during other parts of the movie.

When we get to the Metropolis fight, again I understand that the terraforming is responsible for the majority of the destruction- I get that. I still find the incessant explosions on Snyder’s part bordering on hilarious. For example how many fucking times did we see the human Air Force spam missiles into the gravity well knowing they couldn’t aim and then we get like 10 different shots of the missiles and jets flying off into different directions to blow up more buildings and slam into the street to kill more crowds of people running.

I understand that Zod is gonna level the city and doesn’t give a shit. But still, it just feels so over the top. For one, it would make a lot of sense if they were mainly fighting in the massive area of the city that was already completely leveled by the world machine. In fact that would be a great excuse to let them go at each other full force and do whatever they want. But the movie goes out of its way to show people still running around and being very close to the fighting. And BVS later shows that one of the buildings they were throwing each other around in and lasering to shreds still had people in it. The sequence with the gas truck. I mean what the fuck is this. The scene starts with a bordering on uncomfortably long shot of civilians crouching around Superman and Zod watching them up close and personal. Zod kicks the truck, and Superman just very slowly and nonchalantly floats over it (?) and then of course it explodes like nuke went off and another building starts collapsing, and Superman just turns around and stands still staring at this explosion for like five seconds straight, long enough for Zod to come around on the complete other side to sucker punch him? wtf is he doing? I vividly remember this shot because I’ve seen the movie 100 times and to this day I still have no fucking clue what he was doing here. Not to mention all the times where Superman fucking dragged his face across the entire width of a skyscraper (likely also causing it to collapse), the time where he charged down the length of a building at Zod causing a massive crater explosion on their impact that probably also leveled that building. The part where they punch each other into space, just so happen to directly smash into a satellite, then throw the satellite back down directly into the middle of Metropolis so we can top everything off with an epic shot of falling space debris exploding into the city. Again- is this necessarily Superman’s fault? Not really, but it gets ridiculous.

Not EVERY SINGLE thing the characters do has to cause a fucking skyscraper to collapse or explode. But that was the movie Zack Snyder wanted to make so the Superman character has to fall in line to make that work and it makes him look questionable sometimes.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I understand Superman 2025 is a bit smaller stakes than Man of Steel, Zod wouldn’t give Kal a second to even think about rescuing a squirrel, but by the end Clark was also fighting another Kryptonian in the middle of the city as it was literally being torn apart by an inter-dimensional rift and it wasn’t nearly this overly dramatic.

I firmly believe there is a reason why every single superhero movie since MOS to this day makes it a point to have a character yell out a line about the city being evacuated. Movies like BVS re-examine the destruction in a different light and again goes out of its way to emphasize the final battle is taking place in an abandoned city. Age of Ultron was also pretty crazy with its casual destruction but it ended up being a massive plot point and the catalyst for MCU-shattering events that ended up tearing the Avengers apart

Just curious what they are? They appear to be flying in exosuits but obviously nowhere near as powerful, are the raptors essentially exosuit wearers like Iron Man (albeit not as advanced) and thats how they can take the hits?

Snyder's BvS gave Batman the armored suit which was good, but in Justice League Snyder gave Batman a gun to take on Parademons which goes against his no guns rule.

I think a more fantastical way of giving Batman a power up would be to give Batman something similar to the Arkham games with the shock gloves so he can fight durable threats with just his fists alone

I’ve titled the film heist. It’s about 4 criminals The Calculator, Clock King, Calendar man and Hush all planning a heist to steal from the court of owls. It’ll be a heist film like ocean 11. Though I need a reason for them to steal from the court of owls. Why the court of Owls? To give them a challenge

Love that the show is back, the wife and I loved it, but man … I really want to taste it …

It would have given the show a bigger audience and an already established world, they might have to change some things obviously but it would have benefited from being connected to the dceu

Cuz we are punkrockers in the sky

He made Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: DS9, Battlestar Galactica, Helix, Outlander, For All Mankind

So, some people don't like the fact that they changed the song from Do You Wanna Taste It to Oh Lord, and there have actually been lots of edits of the S2 dance and Do You Wanna Taste It, and some have said that they could've changed the dance and kept the song, but here's a mini essay in defense of the song change.

The song is reflective of the tone of the season, and Do You Wanna Taste It, a more upbeat, comedic song, doesn't really fit with what we know about the season. Gunn confirmed that Season 2 is a lot more character driven and emotional than Season 1, and from what we've seen, the season as a whole is a lot less comedic. Compare the first episodes of each season, there aren't as many jokes, (there are still lots of jokes, but less than what 101 had), the tone is a lot more serious, and the episode as a whole is very different to what we had in Season 1. Like imagine Peacemaker seeing his father and it cuts to Do You Wanna Taste It, two very different things tonally, while Oh Lord is more in line with the tone.

tl;dr: S1 and S2 are different, and while Do You Wanna Taste It worked for S1, it doesn't work for S2.

In the other universe Peacemaker visit in the season 2 premiere, both his father and brother are alive and it seems like the ideal universe. It could be that in this universe Peacemaker never killed Rick Flag Sr. This would allow Rick Flag Sr to have closure on his son’s death which he is a big part of this season.

Also it would be insane if other universe Harcourt is dating other universe Rick Flag Sr.

After Superman I really felt like it was for kids, and I was thinking that maybe I have outgrown this genre.

But Peacemaker really pulled me back.

I am glad Gunn is willing to make R-rated projects, it means he will probably have more hardcore stuff down the line.

Some already think that Superman is just an answer to the all criticisms Man Of Steel got right down to online detractors being depicted as online hate fueled monkeys

Please don’t go changing the script because people on Reddit cry.

I’m a huge MOS fan and even I can say that Superman was perfect.

Hawk girl was menacing and kinda scary and she 100% should be the one to kill so please don’t go back or regret any of your decisions

This is the same shit that happened to MOS just non stop ridiculous nit picks and crying because Superman killed Zod in an epic fight to the death

Rant complete

Is there a possible relationship between the two?

Granted right now the only thing common is both are accessed outside the realm of DCU "reality" with huge volume of space.

Also the question of technology and circumstances how they were discovered.

Lex's pocket universe obviously was a huge project that probably required vast amount's of his wealth, something Auggie definitely didn't have. It's also fair to think Auggie discovered his pocket universe "first"

IMO the infinity stones created an incredible hype around years. Thanos appears a few times like "Im arriving" and you knew that hes going to be a really big boy

What could DC use as bait between films like that? And which would be his villain?

Wonder Woman should definitely take inspiration for Ancient Greek art. Before getting a new suit to match Superman’s suit

And Bruce should just wear the Arkham asylum suit