r/DeathBattleMatchups • u/fhxefj • Feb 12 '25

Memes and Joke Matchups What's the worst example of this?

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This is how I feel about a lot of Alastor matchups, especially Alastor vs Calypso which I just learned about today

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u/lowqualitylizard Feb 12 '25

Literally and uzi MU

It's either she Slaughters or gets slaughtered and it's really unfortunate because she is so much potential but her matchup spread is

ASS

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u/Heavy_weapons07 Feb 12 '25

Episode 8 basically was the iceberg to uzi titanic of matchups list

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 12 '25

What do you think of Uzi vs Penny (RWBY)?

Two antisocial teen bots find unlikely friends and along the way gain powers beyond their comprehension.

Uzi certainly out scales Penny in power output but Penny is more then capable of one shoting Uzi in return, their speed tiers are very even as far as im concerned, and their versatile tool kits make for overall decent fight potential.

It's very much glass cannon vs glass cannon which we don't have enough of.

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 Feb 12 '25

Nope, Murder Drones gets to Planet Level which nobody in RWBY scales to.

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 12 '25 edited Feb 13 '25

I feel like you neither read a single word I said or fully understand the why and how of MD's scaling.

Scaling higher in power matters little when they can oneshot you back. It's like two street level guys fighting, doesn't matter if one's carrying a pistol and the other's carrying a missile launcher both still kill.

No one's shown destroying a whole planet in one move in MD either, at most we see Cyn blasting a continent to small moon level of mass off Copper 9 WITH massive prep.

Null is the strongest ability on hand and is mostly reliant on being anti material mostly being island to subcontinent level in explosive yield.

None of the Solvers other abilities scale anywhere close being building level at best.

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 Feb 12 '25

We literally see drones throwing punches that send shockwaves across entire planets not to mention literally everybody, even minor characters, survived their planet exploding.

So yeah. Penny is screwed.

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 12 '25

Um, no!? The only things that sent such shockwaves was again Uzi and Cyn's Null attacks, I'm puzzled where you even pulled that out from.

And I wouldn't call that last one a feat at all, it was less of a blast and more that a tectonic plate was just popped off. The building Teacher was in held together just fine an even the school bus was relatively unbothered. Don't be here trying to convince me a SCHOOL BUS has planet level durability.

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u/PretzelQv Feb 13 '25

The tectonic plate wouldn't be hitting the bus or the teacher, it would instead be getting an incredibly small portion. Thats like arguing a real life earthquake is only human level because humans survive it....

...that said, they also don't scale to the blast because, again, much smaller blast radius, so you're right on that overall. (That said, we see Cyn catch a null and she's physically relative to the rest of the cast, those same nulls cause the big cloud parting shockwaves , so theres your higher scaling for you. That said, it's fair to say "that's just her catching it with the solver powers, she shouldn'y physically scale" and to that I say, agree to disagree.)

Have a good day, i genuinely really appreciate you scaling MD without glaze or downplay cus jesus the scaling scene for it is so fucking toxic.

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 13 '25

Thank you, it's good to hear that at least someone was listening~

It's rough hitting a brick wall of a debate, but it seems like a natural instinct to upscale that people just can't comprehend down scaling to reason.

Good day to you to!

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 Feb 12 '25

It's fiction, it's absolutely possible for a School Bus to have Planet Level Durability because it's not realistic and it isn't trying to be. Don't try to use realism on show about murderer vampire robots, please.

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 12 '25

Realism? Psh I guess it's realistic compared to pulling feats out of you bum like you're doing.

Murder Drones has went out of it's way to show how frail it's world is, from Worker Drones being pierced by as little as a pen from an ordinary man to none of the architecture being anything impressive and it was consistent at this.

The chunk of the planet was flung off not really blown up, most of the buildings and pretty much everything that doesn't need air survived it.

There's no Easter Bunny, there's no Tooth Fairy, and there's no Murder Drones planetary level durability!

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 Feb 12 '25

You do you, I guess.

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u/Pure-Jeweler-6351 Rex Salazar vs Maxwell McGrath Fan Feb 12 '25

does exist a md mu thats is debatable where they dont get stomped or stomps

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 Feb 12 '25

I don't know. Maybe Izzy Fisher from BlackWidow Apocalypse.

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u/Pure-Jeweler-6351 Rex Salazar vs Maxwell McGrath Fan Feb 12 '25

hope so

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u/GenofK53 Feb 20 '25

It should still be in uzi's favor I mean besides durability she takes power and speed

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 20 '25

Speed is somewhat debatable, it'd be Uzi's reaction speed and limited teleportation vs Penny's travel speed and superior flight maneuverability.

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u/GenofK53 Feb 21 '25

I would say travel speed is kinda irrelevant unless it scales to penny combat speed and I'm pretty sure Uzi has actually concrete sub relativistic Feats I believe although Penny does take experience 

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 21 '25

I'm not sure why you'd say travel speed is irrelevant, Penny for all intents and purposes has more control of distance especially in the air where her jet purpulsion beats Uzi's wing by a country mile.

The best Uzi's combat speed does is make it equally hard for Penny to hit Uzi as it is for Uzi to hit Penny.

And Uzi is only given teleportation because she should technically be able to use it and even then it is rather limited for teleportation as it had failed both Doll and Cyn.

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u/GenofK53 Feb 21 '25

Because while she is the better flyer and has the higher travel speed that kind of doesn't really matter in a fight especially when your opponent has better reaction and combat speed, I also haven't seen Penny's combat speed be as great as her travel speed or compared to uzi's

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 21 '25

Just a nit pick but you haven't really described or given a reason why travel speed isn't relevant while I've given reasons why it does.

But anyways yeah Penny herself doesn't have many feats as she's not a main character with much screen time, but as a power house she has fought other powerful characters with feats which we can scale her to.

She's fought Cinder and gave her a hard time who's dodged a maiden's lighting straight from a cloud, Cinder having become much stronger since said maiden fight claiming her power and all and being well trained with it by the time of fighting Penny. Making Penny's Travel and combat rather even

Also I think you may be highballing Uzi's combat speed just a bit, sure her reaction speed is sub light with dodging lazers being consistent in the show but combat/striking speed doesn't exceed much further then V catching a bullet as far as I can recollect. The only character/scenario she would've needed to go any faster in is against Cyn, who she defeated with a teleport prediction Wolverine style so it's not solid.

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u/GenofK53 Feb 21 '25

Not calling because unless her travel speed actually scales their combat in a reaction speed it doesn't matter how far someone could travel if it's pretty much useless in a fight if their opponent has higher reaction and combat speed, that would react to the slower travel speed I mean why do you think they mentioned it in omniman versus bardock that someone that nolan fought reacted to ships that traveled the Galaxy.

I mean if she reacted to sublight and there's another character that she can react to it would make sense that uzi reaction is equal with combat

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u/Chemical_Raccoon2778 Feb 21 '25

Fair I guess, but that is not really taking their arsenal into account.

Penny isn't going to be able to nail Uzi with any melee but that's not what she wants to make distance for, Penny typically spams her sword lazers and a well timed lazer can hit a Murder Drone character.

Plus her maiden powers are very much capable of AOE and field control, it's hard to dodge something when it's blast radius is yes.

The distance is all Penny physically needs as a wincon when her arsenal can do all the talking.

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u/Nitrodestroyer Feb 12 '25

Post-canon Uzi curbstomps either most or all of fiction, depending on what you interpret a [null] as. I interpret it as "if it hits something, that thing doesn't exist anymore.", so I personally fall into the all category.

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u/Helpful-Emotion9256 Yuji vs Denji Fan Feb 12 '25

All of fiction is a bit wild, there are plenty of characters faster than her so they just wouldn’t get hit, or just straight up resist what null does

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u/lowqualitylizard Feb 13 '25

To make it even worse so much of her power stealing comes from post series events that we presume will happen and her scaling to previous host of the solver

Also you can genuinely make the case that no one Who isn't a robot would be able to actually permanently kill her A lot of wishy-washiness

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u/Nitrodestroyer Feb 13 '25

Yeah, pretty sure she's straight up immortal after becoming the main host.