Honestly, it's how I handle most things. If you don't demonstrate the ability to destroy a planet or at least scale to someone who can (through sheer brute force), I'm not going to buy that you're a planet-buster (or above). Lore scaling has to be backed up by something, otherwise it's just hyperbole.
And I'm never gonna touch anything involving outerversal or whatever, that shit's unquantifiable in my mindspace. I'm fine with universe-busting entities brawling (I love Dragon Ball, one of my favorite characters in the series is Beerus), but once you start getting into dimensional scaling and what-have-you I just cannot be bothered to try to interpret. At that stage, I'm just gonna go "I like this character more" and then eject myself from debate.
For the former, thatâs ESPECIALLY true for Undertale top tiers NOT NAMED CHARA. While Chara destroyed the timeline (and likely more) via a slash, Omega Flowey did it via hax after regaining Save and Load and Asriel was going to do it after beating you, with the Hyper Goner being COMPLETELY WORTHLESS.
Physically, no. Via hax, yes. Just to be specific. Although infinite or immeasurable speed with Hyper Goner is a HUGE NO, as it was more likely for Asriel to assume that the HG would be the killing blow, and then heâd reset afterwards.
To be fair I think the argument for them atleast in my mind has always been more so that omega flowey and asriel should be equal to or above a singular soul with a lot of lv
Frisk, with they determination at its maximum, was not able to cause a single damage to Asriel, I don't know how someone could not use this to scale Asriel to be Multiversal physically.
Stats also donât really matter, since they are provided by the narrator whoâs an unreliable source of information.
And thereâs no reason to assume they game would use miss to show your doing no damage when the it could just⌠display your attacks doing zero damage And this also runs into conflict with the other character who uses the miss text, Sans, who explicitly is dodging your attacks.
Literally every enemy stat screen is wrong⌠like all of them. We also know the narrator isnât omniscient as they react to things like an actual character in the story, I wonât say âitâs charaâ but they do definitively act as a character and again: doesnât address my point overall.
This is just objectively wrong. Asriel states he's going to annihilate the timeline and explicitly did not intend for the fight to go past the hyper goner. It's pretty obvious the hyper goner is timeline destroying. Space even visibly warps during its action.
Asriel starts off the fight by saying that his goal after defeating you is to reset everything. He wasn't planning on destroying anything after you died. Hence, hyper goner was intended to destroy the timeline and kill you as collateral, letting him reset.
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u/DONTSALTME69 Bruno vs Satsuki Fan May 10 '25
Honestly, it's how I handle most things. If you don't demonstrate the ability to destroy a planet or at least scale to someone who can (through sheer brute force), I'm not going to buy that you're a planet-buster (or above). Lore scaling has to be backed up by something, otherwise it's just hyperbole.
And I'm never gonna touch anything involving outerversal or whatever, that shit's unquantifiable in my mindspace. I'm fine with universe-busting entities brawling (I love Dragon Ball, one of my favorite characters in the series is Beerus), but once you start getting into dimensional scaling and what-have-you I just cannot be bothered to try to interpret. At that stage, I'm just gonna go "I like this character more" and then eject myself from debate.