r/DeathBattleMatchups May 13 '25

Blogs Can Invincible survive his mu Gauntlet?

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Next time...

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u/Anteater-Outside My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair May 13 '25

Hat kid sweeps

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u/Over_Sentence_1487 May 13 '25

Wait I gotta know can mark counter time manipulation or no

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u/Anteater-Outside My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair May 14 '25

No he can't

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u/Over_Sentence_1487 May 14 '25

Yeah nah bro is cooked

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u/Green-eyed-Psycho77 May 13 '25

Mark gets Walloped by a bunch of kids

Like the powerpuff girls are jumping him and NOT holding back.

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

How strong Powerpuff Girls? Actually

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u/Green-eyed-Psycho77 May 13 '25

Each powerpuff girl Inches out Mark statwise on their own. Not including any Special abilities like ice breath and the like that would give them even more of an advantage.

Mark would have a terrible time if not outright lose to just One powerpuff girl

BUT TOGETHER? they’re even Stronger. With several Combo attacks and not to mention they’re 3 INSANELY FAST, INSANELY STRONG first graders that are more than willing to dog pile a single guy. In fact, they’ll do this to people who AREN’T superhuman like mark is, these god tier children just jump villains for fun, and they’ll definitely jump Mark.

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 13 '25

Don't forget that they have immeasurable speed so even if Mark was stronger he wouldn't even be able hit them.

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u/Zamasu_was_innocent2 Kyle vs Simon Fan May 13 '25

Now this should be interesting

Hilariously besides Star; Hat Kid might be the most powerful on the team

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u/Gojizilla6391 May 14 '25

uzi thinks she's on the team that's craaazy

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Highball/Controversial feats?

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u/Imgonnadeleteyou Yuji vs Denji Fan May 13 '25

Universa never did that, what the fuck was Omnidock on about there

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u/TheLyingSpectre ⌛Homura vs Kurumi Lover⏱️ May 14 '25

Theres smth with an Invincible game I believe

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u/Imgonnadeleteyou Yuji vs Denji Fan May 14 '25

Anyone have a clip? Or proof it's canon?

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u/GenofK53 May 20 '25

Wait can you explain how Spider-Man scales to the animated ultimate universe

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 20 '25

Animated Ultimate Spidey participated in the crossover "Spider-Verse" where he fought on equal terms with other spiders(616,2099,Gwen and etc)

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u/GenofK53 May 21 '25

Oh I didn't know that he was brought outside of the cartoon universe that's cool but how does he scale to Hyperion because the Marvel animated universe has them in the same place but slightly different timelines

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

My post be like...

Mark's opponent : Ha Ha!Better abiliti...

Mark :

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u/Adventurous-Bag-4364 The second coming vs Henry stickmin fan May 13 '25

Nice complex hax now check this out

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u/Character-Path-9638 May 13 '25

It's funny cause that's literally the same case in the comics

A character has op hax abilities? The Viltrumite they are fighting doesn't care they just punch them

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

No

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 13 '25

Oh, i didn't see this before. Sorry for my response in your other comment.

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

disagree with this too, considering that the gems getting hurt by tier 9 things will just negate any scaling they have that is bigger than tier 9 (which is, has you know, non sensical).

also the gems are not gateways, they are the entire thing of the gem itself, and calling them gateways seem like a weird thing to say, considering that they are more like pockets or wallets, rather than gates.

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u/LifeIsASpin May 13 '25

Outer Kamen Rider is hilarious. Cross-Z/Banjou is a fun match though

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u/ItsYaBoiZam May 13 '25

The absolute top tiers could probably scale into Outer but Banjou shouldn't.

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u/LifeIsASpin May 13 '25

He does via heisei generations final. Due to "real world" scaling.

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u/ItsYaBoiZam May 13 '25

Boundless Ohma Zi-O via upscaling from the 20 Heisei Riders

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u/LifeIsASpin May 13 '25

Ohma Zi-O is the ultimate leech. He leeches off of EVERYONE.

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u/ItsYaBoiZam May 13 '25

If you want to get granular with it, Super Hero Senki Saber would probably already be outer to boundless and a theoretical 2025 Ohma Zi-O would have his powers too.

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u/LifeIsASpin May 13 '25

There is like at least 5 ways Kamen rider can get to outer-boundless.

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u/Damen_Ghidorah Captain Marvelous Vs Kamen Rider Decade Fan May 15 '25

Build could only get to Outer via being transported to the Real World. He can't do so normally. He had to get transported there via the Time Mazine or W Ridewatch both of which would not be standard for Sento much less Banjo. Also, the other reason why the Heisei Riders could get empowered to that level was due to Tid trying to erase Kamen Rider from history as well as the merging of the Real World and Futaros forcefully bringing other Riders into reality.

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Steven multi?

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

Yeah... no. While the Gemstone does contain an infinite space within, the Gemstone itself is specifically stated to be a weak point that can shatter more easily than the rest of the Gem's body, as it was seen shatering just by hitting it to a rock.

The Gem's space is basically akin to entering their mind or something akin to that. It doesn't actually scale the to Gems being Uni or higher.

Edit: Nevermind, you yourself already debunked this. Sorry.

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

it is never stated to be a weak point that can be hurt easily, actually most of the statements about gemstones are that, it is the gem themselves, the "body"is just light with mass.

The example of getting hit with a rock isn't even a good one, since it only happened specifically there because it was relevant to the plot that Steven knew how to use his healing powers (also if that was the case, the gemstones should have been destroyed when they were in the roaming eye while the gravity was high).

yes, the gem space is their minds, but again, the entire gemstone is the true gem form, their bodies are just projections

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 15 '25

This conversation is pointless as OP already debunked Uni level SU.

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

?

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 15 '25

You were trying to argue for uni level Steven universe, right?

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

affirmative

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 15 '25

Ok. Then look around for OPs comment debunking that.

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

i already did

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 15 '25

Oh, ok. Then let's just disagree.

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u/Kaiser_Isaiah_Foo Ash-Greninja vs Ninja Trained Siegfried Fanatic May 13 '25

Sans

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u/ForktUtwTT Warning: Will Reply with Essay May 13 '25

That’s so dumb I love it

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u/Loud_Procedure_3150 May 13 '25

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u/Logical_Acanthaceae3 May 13 '25

Wasn't that the combined might of white/yellow/blue?

The only thing I could maybe see Steven scaling to is the fact that pink blocked it but at best that's a durability feat for his shields.

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u/Correct-Potential552 OH YEAH! May 13 '25

Too bad that was debunked!

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u/Loud_Procedure_3150 May 13 '25

Do you have the link for the debunk?

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u/Ok_Succotash_3763 May 13 '25

This thread goes over it. Also, the comments of your initial post go over why the calc is unusable. Why do people not even check the sources they cite?

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

the calc is using the energy required to generate that amount of light, not the capacity to destroy gems.

yes, it is known that it didn't destroy gems, but it is also known that generating that amount of light still requires energy.

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u/Ok_Succotash_3763 May 15 '25

Nothing shows the energy is harmful in the first place, let alone scalable. The Diamonds themselves thought only the earth's surface would be damaged, which suggests the energy that actually hit earth is far lower.

Considering that the Diamonds (the god-tiers) also need to be together to even perform the Corrupting Light, it's clear no one scales individually to the full Corrupting Light anyway, even if the calc was valid.

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

Whether the energy is harmful or not is not important, because it has more to do with how much energy is needed for the ray to illuminate, not its ability to cause damage (which would be, in this case, to the gems)

Blue said that they believed they blasted every gem on the surface, again, in the context ,the attack was directed to the gems.

there are no statements about the corrupting light being a infinite amount of times or a unquantifiable amount of times more powerful than the diamonds, also Yellow overpowered Blue, White overpowered both blue and yellow (mind control)Steven in his monster form, which is just him, thinking he is a monster, defeated all the gems+the diamonds.

yes, there is a way to scale it.

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u/Ok_Succotash_3763 May 15 '25

the energy is harmful or not is not important, because it has more to do with how much energy is needed for the ray to illuminate, not its ability to cause damage (which would be, in this case, to the gems)

If the energy is harmless, why would it even matter how strong it is? It's just inapplicable since no one tanks it or could get hurt by it.

Blue said that they believed they blasted every gem on the surface, again, in the context ,the attack was directed to the gems.

Taking this at face value, it would mean every gem has this level of durability, since they were all damaged mentally, not physically, (many gems were still in tact afterwards) which makes every gem on par with the full power diamonds, a notion actively contradicted by the story.

there are no statements about the corrupting light being a infinite amount of times or a unquantifiable amount of times more powerful than the diamonds, also Yellow overpowered Blue, White overpowered both blue and yellow (mind control)Steven in his monster form, which is just him, thinking he is a monster, defeated all the gems+the diamonds.

There is no proof they can accomplish anything even close to this on their own either. The diamonds all needed to work together to perform the attack, so fighting one or two on their own means nothing (Which happens in all scenarios listed).

It seems clear that the corrupting light is a mental attack that specifically targets gems, the energy given off can't be scaled to anyone since it's not shown to damage anyone, including its targets. this idea is even supported by the writers themselves.

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25
  1. even if a lightball does not do damage to you, it still requires energy to bright, the more energy used, the brigther it will get

  2. no?because no gem scale directly to the diamonds in power in anyway, and that is made clear.

  3. which does not matter, because they still needed their powers to do the thing they did, and they are clearly stronger than each other individually.

the attack being a mental attack is not even a problem either, considering that the minds of the gems are physical spaces and not just, non-physical things (like the minds can store stuff and such)

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u/Correct-Potential552 OH YEAH! May 13 '25

There isnt a proper page, and the only one ACTUALLY talking about it seem goofy asf.

Theres tons of youtube comments explaining tho.

the fact how the Diamond blast ONLY corrupted gems, and never did ANY damage to earth or the moon, and caused nearly 0 destruction.

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u/Loud_Procedure_3150 May 13 '25

You do realize you still need energy to create light?

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u/Correct-Potential552 OH YEAH! May 13 '25

Yes i do!

however! im no powerscaler!

so i know theres obviously TONS of energy, its just the main fact how it caused no damage.

so im trash at explaining this type of goofa foogs

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u/PastEnvironmental420 May 13 '25

Maybe he can take on Steven, but other than that he's not really [TITLE CARD]

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u/FrostProduction Rex Salazar vs Maxwell McGrath Fan May 13 '25

“Quasar go brrrrrr”

You have no idea how much I died laughing at that

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Star -Solar System Level Invincible?!

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u/Mighty_Megascream Superman vs Optimus Prime fan May 13 '25

Shouldn’t Nova be stronger than Gohan?

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Probably, but I decided to switch places.

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u/Areyoukiddingmeagain Sonic EXE Vs Red enjoyer May 13 '25

Didn't maws superman blocked a laser that blew up a planet?

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u/Due-Imagination3837 May 13 '25

You could actually argue for Canon Luke > Death Star based on Palpatine's bleeding a giant kyber crystal (which requires force users to overpower the Crystal itself). The same crystal would be used to power the Final Order (which is comprised of 1080 Star Destroyers that can each destroy Planets).

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u/Holiday_Ad5052 May 13 '25

Is the handbook viable? Genuinely asking because if I’m not mistaken it does significantly nerf their speed. (Upper right paragraph)

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u/Blazer-Man May 13 '25

Nah a lot of the stuff in there is just... bizarre.

Like they say Immortal is human level in strength, Bulletproof can absorb kinetic energy, and a bunch of weird stuff too

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u/SizeSoft8787 Asgore vs Hades 🔥🌹 May 13 '25

If I remember correctly he should beat Hot Rod, there was an entire blog on it

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u/Minijoker4709 May 13 '25

He actually beats that transformer guy from what I hear

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u/Unusual-Swimming9636 Mysterio vs Scarecrow fan May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

IDW yes.

G1 Cartoon/Marvel Comic no.

People overestimate how powerful IDW Transformers are cause “comics strong.” If you really want OP Transformers, Japanese media is your best bet.

Even then, Rodimus shouldn’t scale to the higher end stuff since he doesn’t really do much in Japanese G1 or the Unicron Trilogy.

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

"Are you sure?"

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u/Minijoker4709 May 17 '25

Yeah, there was a blog about it, you haven’t read it, I can send it if you want, well it was mainly using IDW 1 but idk about others

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u/ShalkaScarf May 13 '25

Mark is NOT touching Steven but wtf do you mean he's Multi???

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 13 '25

He's not. Read the comments.

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u/Savings-Fall5240 May 13 '25

Radiant Black?

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u/Savings-Fall5240 May 13 '25

Also, multiversal Steven Universe?

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Yeah,but debunked

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Possible star...multi-galaxy level?

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 13 '25

How?

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

Ouch.No star.Planet Radiant Black becomes a black hole Dude themed around black holes has a black hole feat. Shocking.

Nathan doesn’t have a canon height from what I can tell, so using 175cm He is 275px so 0.6363636364 cm/px

Black hole is 452px or 287.6363636cm

((2997924582/(26.67410-11)/(5.972)10\24)))(2.487\1032)) * 2.87 = 8.04753901e+34 J or 19.2 Yottatons of TNT

Large PLanet

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u/Mecha-dragon1999 May 13 '25

Ah, ok. What about the Multi-Galaxy stuff?

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u/poptartAIDS May 13 '25

No one in the entire Invincible-verse can beat Cross-Z.

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u/TheBloodyPuppet_2 Warning: Will Reply with Essay May 13 '25

Invincible VS Radiant Black mentioned, day massively improved

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u/UnAnon10 May 13 '25

TBF with the Diamond Blast while yeah one of the flashbacks shows it coming from in front of the moon, one of them shows it coming from behind the moon and another even makes it look like it came from somewhere in deep space so I’d say the higher end of the feat is more valid

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u/Tribalcheifromanfan May 20 '25

Comics mark stops at peter

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u/GenofK53 May 20 '25

Thank you 

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u/GintoSenju Want to make a deal? May 13 '25

Bro dies to Steven

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u/supermonye True Man vs Batgos Connoisseur May 13 '25

Idk about that Spidey scaling

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u/Radio__Star May 13 '25

Lil bro is not getting passed Gohan

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u/TransitionVirtual May 13 '25

Like was able to push Vader out of the force dimension

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u/ForktUtwTT Warning: Will Reply with Essay May 13 '25

You mention a Lapis vs FP blog on slide 16

Can I get a link to that? I’m currently making my own researched vs episode about that mu and would love to see other takes on it

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u/Dangerous_Baker1086 May 13 '25

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u/ForktUtwTT Warning: Will Reply with Essay May 13 '25

Thanks so much! Just read through the whole thing

My research is verrrry different than these ends (I’m generally a lot more conservative with my scaling and don’t buy more cosmic things as easily) but I loved the sections on the way their powers and skill interacts. Gave me a lot to think about and low key got me questioning my choice in winner

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u/WarriorWare May 13 '25

Steven Universe is what

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u/Dont3n Captain America Vs Kamen Rider Ichigo Fan May 13 '25

Technically normal Banjou shouldn’t scale to outer stuff but then that wouldn’t matter due to pandora box shenanigans. Poor invisible is cooked either way… at least it’s no zio

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u/NatDoggieDawg May 13 '25

Lmfao did you see my Vader/Kylo comment on the Shigaraki MU gauntlet post?

Not hating, I'm genuinely wondering and I'd be happy if my Star Wars feat knowledge got spread around!

I also have this megadoc of Star Wars calculations

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u/Batybara May 13 '25

"Steven Universe is multi"

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u/GenofK53 May 14 '25

It's really sad when people are actually considering Mark versus Deku I mean Mark doesn't really win a lot but DEKU! It might as well be whooping a child. 

I'm sorry but there's no way Spider-Man is losing and I'm glad that you gave Peter more feet than him just being Town level because he's not that low but he is way faster than that as he Dodge the character that had the mind Stone and was firing at him and thought moves faster than light in the Marvel universe and Spider-Man wins and sort of way more experience.

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u/GenofK53 May 14 '25

I'm sorry Mark does not beat Luke Skywalker because the death Star is sort of a low ball without getting into Legends and that's without mentioning mftl scaling that makes mark look small

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u/No-Worker2343 May 15 '25

i think the second option does not work that much, considering that there are multiple perspectives on where the attack was shot, but only the one with Garnet was shot from what seems to be the moon, while in the lapis one, the moon was not even close to that

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u/Throwaway142g5h67j8 Yang vs Vi enthusiast Jun 03 '25

Steven alone stomps Mark