I think you're downplaying how powerful SMT gods are.
For example Shiva in SMT V was stated to have enough power to destroy the universe.
In Nocturne, Kagasuchi has the power to rewrite reality.
In SMT V again Lucifer beat YHVH, who was currently controlling the entire universe(maybe multiverse?), absorbed his power and got even stronger than him.
These aforementioned gods transcend and manipulate concepts and aren’t even the peak of SMT’s power chain, so yes I’d consider it less than that. Do you mind sending me a page on her? I’d like to give it a read, because if the verse really did get to SMT levels I’m sure I’d hear about it more often.
Okay, for some reason she’s only claimed at multiversal…
But either way 1v1 she solos Joker because all the friendship in the world doesn’t save you from a black hole, that shit takes gravity manipulation which isn’t exactly in his toolshed (which even without it is still a big ass shed)
He doesn’t exactly need to contend with black holes when he’s at bare minimum billions of times faster than light, and if scaling him higher via SMT he has Immeasurable speed. Seeing as Joker’s also tanked attacks that eclipsed Nebulas on the low end and tanked attacks from Outer level entities at the high end, a black hole which can range from planetary to galaxy level really should not be any semblance of an issue to him.
…okay at this point powerscaling has officially become bullshit
If Joker is really outer, this means that the average human in Persona is also outer, as every single romance option (including ones that aren’t his team) can beat the shit out of him
Hell, fucking outerversal ordinary cops
Furthermore, if he has “immesurable speed” why the fuck does he drive places in Strikers? He can just run there in 0.00001 seconds anyways!
Powerscaling has always been bullshit lmao, it’s just more fun bullshit than other bullshit
This happens outside of the Metaverse, and I highly doubt Ren actually wants to fight back since the game even implies that Ren doesn’t believe he should be romancing multiple people. He likely takes it because he thinks he deserves it.
A lot of people bring this scene up, and it kinda just instantly tells me that they haven’t played the game, as it was all planned for Joker to get “captured.” (then again, who has? all persona games SUCK just watch them on youtube no true persona fan plays their game)
Outside of Metaverse and suspension of disbelief. Strikers is there to showcase how the cast has developed from the past and to show them having fun with a couple new members. Not much else to it lmao
Ehhh, no. I disagree with this one. The story literally, continuously bashes you over the head with the fact that Joker and the rest of the PTs are just normal people outside of the Metaverse and/or without their Personas. It comes across as a point numerous times that some characters feel special because they have the Metaverse and others don’t. You’re just some criminal trash living in an attic! So how?! How is someone like you better than me?!! comes to mind. Again, Persona fans and not playing their games, name a better combination.
It should be noted, however, that it’s been stated in the past that should a supernatural threat appear in the real world, Personas will rise to the surface to protect their users. I believe the P3 cast also has a way of forcing their Personas into the real world via their Evokers, but the jury’s still out on whether or not the Dark Hour is its own separate dimension or not. They do mention it being a lot easier to summon their Personas in the TV World in PQ though, so it lends credence to the DH being the real world.
and 2.B: Again, outside of the Metaverse/with no supernatural threat, Joker is just Ren Amamiya, some devilishly handsome unassuming schmuck sent to Shujin after “assaulting” some guy. He doesn’t have his powers here.
I mean… there’s literally a morning star attack oh and everything in the metaverse is real there, so they technically survived a big bang explosion in their faces, despite it being a burger
It's not because of the cheeseburger, like as a Persona fan myself the cheeseburger isn't Outversal (still higher than the Calc of the Black Hole tho cause of the way perceptión works in Persona) and even witouth Outversal SMT scaling Persona 5 at the least gets anywhere from Multiversal to Low Complex Multi
And Kat doesn't really have any good ways to actually kill Joker for good, like, the things Persona users survive when they shouldn't Is just fucking insane
Alr then there you go, Kat Is as strong as Joker but she has no way to kill him, simple as that (also she gets outhaxxed to hell and back and has no answer to dura neg)
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u/Puzzleheaded-Way-352 My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair May 18 '25
HOW
I don't know enough about Gravity Rush to argue why it isn't, so tell me genuinely HOW