Springtrap vs Junko PREDICTION BLOG (Five Nights At Freddy's vs Danganronpa)

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https://lokapredictionstuff.blogspot.com/2025/07/prediction-blog-springtrap-vs-junko.html

[u/DeatroyerOfCheese]

Their justifications for Afton surviving Monokuma's explosions gave me an aneurysm. Afton canonically dies in a building fire- even if it's an especially hot one due to context Junko's shit ton of explosions would absolutely match. As well as the fact that exploding is just something the monokuma units do when pressured so it's something highly likely for Junko to just do without figuring out any weaknesses.

The mimic literally doesn't have remnant, making it's own resistance to heat entirely meaningless in this scenario as we're talking about burning the remnant out.

Lastly while Afton can control tech, he's never controlled tech to the scale (sheer amount) and as advanced as Junko's army of monokumas- they also didn't mention the coding backups which would allow monokuma to resist such a thing. Hell the fact that Ai junko can take over the monokumas leads me to believe that she could probably just take them back.

Afton also has to use these abilities- a monokuma hitting Afton wouldn't just immediately be sucked into him with his metal absorption, after all the forklift still hit Afton before it got absorbed.

I also don't think they brought up Junko using her own mind control tech which is long ranged (Afton just needs to see a screen) against Afton, where has he been shown to resist mind control? This would allow Junko to pacify Afton to her side as a remnant of despair.

With all that said, this was still a well written blog and I respect the research, though I thoroughly disagree with the verdict.

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1) William doesn't die in a fire and dies in a lake

2) This is more comparative about animatronic physiology, Well, Mimic exists longer than the Classic animatronics and along with the Springlook animatronic versions, So it is valid

3) By scaling with Mimic he has agony and from there came his technopia. That would give William greater scope for technological control.

4) That with the forklift does not invalidate anything that in the end ended up absorbing it

5) The great willpower will allow William to counteract despair and he will also become stronger with despair.

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I’ll address the willpower point. Willpower does not grant someone immunity to mind Hax. I could argue a character like Makoto has supernatural willpower despite living through everything he did which would make any other person go crazy with despair and make them full of hate. Yet Makoto was immediately ready to give up his life after watching the despair video. Willpower is a non-factor. Especially when Afton hasn’t even dealt with anything on the level of the despair video which isn’t just suggestive or social influencing but just full on mind alteration. We can’t grant Afton a resistance he has never shown.

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The makoto thing would be more like resistance to social influence, that also leads to desperation. It's not willpower, it's just resistance and nothing more. Because if he had great willpower he should have fought against the suicide video. But he literally succumbed without any problem to the video and if it hadn't been for his luck he would have committed suicide.

Now with William, that does come into willpower because in the novels it is mentioned that his soul was so weakened that he still clung to the same reality, that is, he refused to die. It is worth noting that his fight against Andrew was a battle of wills over who would take control of the body. It is also mentioned that it is something that was not linked to the force of nature itself.

Furthermore, willpower is characterized by giving immunity to mind control.

"Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure, resist possession and mind control, affect their environment, or even go against natural phenomena, such as death or the limits imposed by reality." https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Supernatural_Willpower#:~:text=Characters%20with%20this,imposed%20by%20reality.

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Not how willpower works. There are many characters in fiction that have great willpower who still succumb to mind Hax. Again why is William given this benefit of the doubt that he is granted a resistance despite never showing it. Great willpower explicitly only protects you from social influencing unless it is shown to also help break out of mind Hax. So ironically it really just proves my point as what William has resisted before is more so social influencing rather than full in mind Hax.

This literally has nothing to do with mind Hax. Him refusing to die and fight for control in a spiritual confrontation is not him resisting mind Hax. Nowhere is someone altering his mind by force.

Read this definition again. Do you notice the word “may” in there? It is simply giving examples of what a character could do with something like supernatural willpower. It’s not something that is automatically granted with no evidence. 90% of anime characters have supernatural willpower but that doesn’t mean we grant them resistance to mind control. Rock Lee is a perfect example of supernatural willpower who was still effected by mind Hax. And given the level of manipulation at play being greater than what William has endured, it’s just not fair to grant William full resistance without evidence of something on that level.

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I literally gave you a fragment of the text that explains explicitly and in detail everything that encompasses the great force of will and you come to me with that cheap excuse.

You're just speaking very generally because it has already been approved in other fictional media that strong willpower also grants resistance to what was previously mentioned.

Your entire comment isn't really reinforcing any of your point and you're just complaining and over-diverging just to try to deny how willpower works.

Also, in other wikis they always give you the same explanation, and not just in vsbw, the great willpower allows you to literally counter attacks that also affect your mind, such as influence.

Furthermore, as I already explained, William's great willpower would allow him to counteract any attempt to control or manipulate his mind. Like the ergo of trying to commit suicide and also in Danganronpa Hajime... He is someone who does have willpower even in the last chapter thanks to thinking about his future and hope along with Chaiki's wish. He managed to counteract Junko's despair and, in thinking about his future, he helped him literally recover his memories.

It should be noted that Hajime does show great willpower so he would be granted that in turn could counteract the same thing that happened with Junko.

Your whole explanation didn't get anywhere, you didn't really prove your point, you just complained about something that is literally how skills work, and if not, then you might as well not even bother arguing.

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You’re the only one giving excuses bro the paragraph you gave literally didn’t prove your point. Stop being mad cause I pointed out the objective truth.

No it hasn’t lol. Who are these fictional people that said what you said is objectively true. I literally gave an example of a character that disproves your assertion and all you do is crash out.

Literally gave examples brother.

Yeah and they say that they may be able to resist stuff like that. Not that it gives you an objective and undeniable resistance to all kind manipulation ever. I guess Zoro is surviving herald level mind Hax cause he could fend off an ability that is relatively low tier mind manipulation.

Yes Hajime is capable of supernatural will. But he had supernatural will to recover his lost personality that was literally erased, but he never once watched the despair video. If anything, all this shows is he can counteract social influencing. This is because in Danganronpa, the ultimates in Hope Peak are literally referred to as the world’s Hope. And Hope and Despair in Danganronpa is seen more as a force of nature or bio weapon rather than just some emotion. The fundamental level at which the mind manipulation was working in Danganronpa is far above what we see in FNaF. And your only example is someone recovering a lost personality that wasn’t even Junko’s mind control. See how far you have to stretch to get anything?

No since he counteracted his lost personality being regained, not Junko’s mind Hax.

Says the dude who did nothing but complain this whole time cause he can’t prove his point and needs to stretch the facts to make any coherent point. Also, let’s assume Hajime did watch the video and did explicitly escape via willpower and could do so easily. That still doesn’t mean Afton can do that. All it means is that Hajime has willpower that good, not that the video is susceptible to willpower.

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1) William doesn't die in a fire and dies in a lake

1) Hes still able to die by fire, Henrys trap in fnaf 6 WOULD have killed him if cassidy didnt pull out his soul on time, and even then it left him in a massively weakened state as seen in the man in the room 1820

2) This is more comparative about animatronic physiology, Well, Mimic exists longer than the Classic animatronics and along with the Springlook animatronic versions, So it is valid

2) Ok? That changes literally nothing

3) By scaling with Mimic he has agony and from there came his technopia. That would give William greater scope for technological control.

3) Ok

4) That with the forklift does not invalidate anything that in the end ended up absorbing it

4) absorbed the forklift after struggling with it for more than 5 minutes straight lmao, its not instant in any shape or form and the monokuma units have multiple ways to not be affected

5) The great willpower will allow William to counteract despair and he will also become stronger with despair.

Not how the despair video works? Its straight up mind manip, LAYERED mind manip even, it cant be broken with basic willpower

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1) It wasn't because of Cassidy, it was because of Andrew. But he still didn't die, and William should be able to apply the same thing to Junko, tying his weapon to survive.

2) Yes, it changes because Mimic is actually an endoskeleton that is quite basic and logically he should have died when he fell into the molten metal. But for reasons I don't understand he survived even with a metal suit or literally falling without a metal suit he survived the molten metal. There are other demonstrations that the fire really has almost no effect on William. In fact, one of his AR skins is completely burned and engulfed in fire.

3) ok

4) That doesn't take anything away and you continue instantly and it's also more focused on wanting to kill Larson. That would simply be character-induced stupidity for the sake of the plot. In addition, Monokuma units are susceptible to Kododata. Furthermore, agony can infect artificial intelligences to the point of losing control. So Winning's own agony could infect her and cause her to stop operating properly and that's something Junko couldn't counteract.

5) The video of despair is mental manipulation and empathic manipulation and is only used with characters who have not shown resistance to it. Makoto does not possess great willpower, not even in layers, he only has resistance to social influence. In fact, Hajime, who has great willpower, was able to counteract Junko's despair.

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1) It wasn't because of Cassidy, it was because of Andrew. But he still didn't die, and William should be able to apply the same thing to Junko, tying his weapon to survive.

Potato Potato, Cassidy and andrew have borderline the same powers, Also, Didnt die because he got his ass saved, and still crippled him severely

2) Yes, it changes because Mimic is actually an endoskeleton that is quite basic and logically he should have died when he fell into the molten metal. But for reasons I don't understand he survived even with a metal suit or literally falling without a metal suit he survived the molten metal. There are other demonstrations that the fire really has almost no effect on William. In fact, one of his AR skins is completely burned and engulfed in fire.

Again, that doesnt change anything? The mimic has no remnant so comparing them is useless, regardless if afton has a better body or not

Ah yes, the AR game thats canonically a video game in a phone, thats surely more convincing than the direct statements and showings remnant is weak to fire

4) That doesn't take anything away and you continue instantly and it's also more focused on wanting to kill Larson. That would simply be character-induced stupidity for the sake of the plot. In addition, Monokuma units are susceptible to Kododata. Furthermore, agony can infect artificial intelligences to the point of losing control. So Winning's own agony could infect her and cause her to stop operating properly and that's something Junko couldn't counteract.

It being focused on killing larson changes nothing, the agony is sentient, it isnt a mindless beast, and calling it so would be a insult to Aftons intelligence

It isnt character induced stupidity, CIS for short would be if afton didnt use the ability at all, Afton taking time to absorb things is a straight weakness thats shown and was almost exploited by larson

Junko? Not being able to deal with hacking? LMAO, you surely must be joking, not only do monokuma units have coding backups, meaning if they are hacked they will straight up reboot themselves and get rid of the hacking, Chihiro fujisaki, the best programmer in the world, was unable to hack even a single monokuma unit, only suceeding due to Makotos luck which is borderline fate manip (And even with that, Chihiro/alter ego was only able to hack into the execution, and not the monokuma unit) Lastly, Headmaster monokuma units are straight up immune to the hacking gun, which messes with their internal coding to a perfect level.

5) Wound of Despair is mental manipulation and empathic manipulation and is only used with characters who have not shown resistance to it. Makoto does not possess great willpower, not even in layers, he only has resistance to social influence. In fact, Hajime, who has great willpower, was able to counteract Junko's despair.

Makoto? The ultimate hope? THE MOST opmistic character in Danganronpa,Not having great willpower? Again, you surely must be joking

The despair video is again, mind manip, it cant be resisted with willpower (Chisa was only able to resist a weaker version of it) Fuyuhiko and Chiaki were able to resist the effects of the aphrodisiadics with sheer willpower, yet they arent able to even struggle agaisnt the despair video, Sakakura, who was able to resist Rurukas mind control throught sheerwillpower, was also implied to be affected by the despair video

Also, no? Hajime never resisted the despair video, thats straight up false

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1) Cassidy did almost nothing in all the Five Nights at Freddy's sagas beyond killing a random teenager. Andrew is the antagonist in the story of the man in room 1820. But still because of the abilities of the spirits and that others share the same abilities William should apply in the same junko

2) Yes it does apply due to the animatronic physiology itself, William's body was fused with Springbonnie's endoskeleton. Take into account the Five Nights at Freddy's AR game because naturally a semi-composite of William is used.

3) You didn't understand what I said what I said is that I was focused on killing Larson and At what point did I deny William's intelligence? I didn't even mention her. And yes it is plot-induced stupid because he doesn't use much of his other abilities in fact he doesn't even use his illusions. The Agony Infection is not a simple hack, it is literally corruption and manipulation of life. In the story of In The Flesh and The Mimic both Matt and Edwin unleash all their fury and agony on machines that possessed an AI The virtual Springtrap and Mimic's AI were both corrupted to the point where they gained self-awareness and became violent and aggressive. Springtrap's AI proceeded to automate itself to the point where it ended up corrupting the entire virtual game. Something Matt couldn't undo because the damage had literally spread and spread, making it impossible to fix.

4) Ultimate hope only grants more empathic manipulation and social influence But beyond that not much. Well here you can't compare with other characters who have willpower And that doesn't even fall on willpower but rather resistance to hax

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1) Cassidy did almost nothing in all the Five Nights at Freddy's sagas beyond killing a random teenager. Andrew is the antagonist in the story of the man in room 1820. But still because of the abilities of the spirits and that others share the same abilities William should apply in the same junko

When i mean Cassidy, i mean Golden Freddy as whole, so debating which one saved William is a moot point, Regardless, my point wasnt If William could copy It, It was that fire will still harm him If given the chance

2) Yes it does apply due to the animatronic physiology itself, William's body was fused with Springbonnie's endoskeleton.

I mean, ok? Even as springbonnie he was still affected largely by fire

Take into account the Five Nights at Freddy's AR game because naturally a semi-composite of William is used.

If given the same leeway to junko, in a funny similar manner, shes able to straight up hit and affect souls in UTDP and Danganronpa S (which we know is effective as seen with Stitchwraith)

3) You didn't understand what I said what I said is that I was focused on killing Larson and At what point did I deny William's intelligence?

Again, you are acting like Afton is a mindless beast that cant multi task and Focus on absorbing the forklift First and kill larson later, him being focused on killing larson changes nothing as he would still be smart enough to absorb the forklift as a counter move

And yes it is plot-induced stupid because he doesn't use much of his other abilities in fact he doesn't even use his illusions

That wasnt even my point so why bring It up?

The Agony Infection is not a simple hack, it is literally corruption and manipulation of life. In the story of In The Flesh and The Mimic both Matt and Edwin unleash all their fury and agony on machines that possessed an AI The virtual Springtrap and Mimic's AI were both corrupted to the point where they gained self-awareness and became violent and aggressive. Springtrap's AI proceeded to automate itself to the point where it ended up corrupting the entire virtual game. Something Matt couldn't undo because the damage had literally spread and spread, making it impossible to fix.

Which is something junko herself can also do? A Lesser version of Monokuma was able to hack into Monacas robot and beat up her AI directly, The junko ai was also able to gain complete Control over the neo world program the moment It set foot in It (and all the headmaster monokuma units have junkos ai)

Even then, hes WAY too slow to actually be able to use that effectively

4) Ultimate hope only grants more empathic manipulation and social influence But beyond that not much. Well here you can't compare with other characters who have willpower And that doesn't even fall on willpower but rather resistance to hax

Thats straight up ignoring what the ultimate Hope is, the ultimate hope is literally inspiring others to never give up and always keep on living/moving to a Better Future, If thats not willpower then i dont know what It is (Makoto was chosen to be the ultimate Hope straight up due to his willpower)

Its not a resistance to hax, its Very clearly shown they are able to resist mind manip due to their strong Will (If It was resistance to hax, then logically all other students would have the same resistances, as Theres nothing different about fuyuhiko when compared to the rest) regardless, the despair vídeo cant be broken with willpower, as it targets the mind directly

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Why would he scale to the Mimic in any way at all? The Mimic is way above like 90% of the verse

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Mimic is strong yes but it is because he is infected and then he developed his own AGONY and Agony incredibly enhances an individual's physical capabilities, which is why William scales from Mimic and not... Mimic is not above the power scale, that's Eleanor. Eleanor is the most powerful agony user, surpassing William who is in second place, and in third place is Mimic.

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I see, you're dumb, thanks for confirming it

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And why the insult? I answered you because I know quite a bit about Five Nights at Freddy's and Eleanor is quite above Mimic who is giving me quite a powerful agony that even William himself had to use her... To stand in its weakened stage and William shows greater control over negative emotions, including all the fiscality, quite resistant and with an unnatural strength. Mimic is shown to be in agony, but what stands out about him is simply the fact that he is a rather dangerous machine and has quite advanced artificial intelligence.

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Thanks for doubling down in your dumb argument, Afton doesn't scale to the Mimic in any way at all

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Look, I haven't disrespected you at any time and you still keep insulting me. First Eleanor is above William why is it declared that her evil is more powerful than Afton's and Afton shows a high mastery and control over negative emotions that are hidden deep inside Jake and Andrew. In addition to this, he was able to destroy the classic animatronics that have feats equal to Mimic's, destroying bodies and reinforced metal. So that makes Mimic below Afton and that makes them comparable in statistics.

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The Classic Animatronics don't have any feats that are equal to the Mimic, stop being a dumbass, like they don't scale to the Mimic at all

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I'm this close to reporting you because I'm getting fed up with you insulting me. I haven't disrespected you and I'm getting tired of your insults. First Mimic is an old machine that has literally ripped apart bodies and broken solid metal, feats performed by classic animatronics. That literally destroy human bodies just by putting them inside a suit and literally In the interactive novel "The Week Before" they tear Ralph's body apart and even destroy solid metal. They are literally the very feats performed by the mimicking endoskeleton And Mimic is a 70s endoskeleton much older than the classic animatronics and reinforces the scaling

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The first point is...objectively wrong? He dies in the fnaf 6 fire lmao

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No, in fact, it survives in the story of The Man in Room 1820. It is confirmed that William survived the fire although it left him in a quite weakened state and that everything that happened after Freddy Fazbear's pizzeria simulator and the UCN. It's in the books