Community Debate Stats Results: Frieza vs Palpatine (Dragon Ball vs Star War Disney/Legends)

[u/DatKidZ364]

[u/Fast_Personality_357]

I think this is one of those times where yes, one character takes more categories, but the categories the other takes are soo important he wins anyway.

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Fast_Personality_357]

I gotta disagree. Death Battle themselves have been leaning into Hax > stats, and that’s pretty clear cut for Palpatine here. Frieza can nuke the place they’re on at any time.. but does that matter when he just no longer exists?

[u/Jstin8 → u/SoakedSun24]

Theyve also shown very often Stats>Hax

Please note the last fight Freeza had where Megatron's antimatter and better tactics meant nothing because Freeza just killed him before he could do shit

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Jstin8]

Thats a very gross and blatant overestimation on how that works. But let’s entertain that argument. Palpatine doesn’t operate on a ki system, which is what everyone does in Dragon Ball. Equalizing verses doesn’t mean Frieza takes priority. Its why he wouldn’t be able to just outmuscle because then you’re arguing Frieza outmuscles any hax in fiction. Again, the stats > abilities argument only works in Dragon Ball specifically. It doesn’t carry over to any vs battle because then thats implying they take priority.

[u/Jstin8 → u/SoakedSun24]

How WHAT works? I can rattle off so many fights where a better arsenal and abilities list doesnt mean anything because they just get stat stomped.

Stitch vs Rocket Deku vs Asta Beerus vs Galaxia Wario vs DeDeDe Roshi vs Jiraya

And thats just off the top of my head! Recent episodes where Hax>Stats were all precipitated on the fact that characters such as Simon and Spawn could outlast their opponents to actually use their better abilities to win. Palpatine does not have this luxury

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Jstin8]

Yes.. but none of those are Dragon Ball. We’re arguing that stats > hax, which just isn’t a valid argument. Goku overpowered Hits timeskip so he’s above time right? Nah, that was because of Goku’s higher ki pool. Power levels are dumb and still using them isn’t valid because earlier in DB they faced a foe who could also stop time, but they couldn’t pass through it because Guldos ability isn’t a ki ability. Force Enery is not ki, and theres not much to imply that it is.

[u/Jstin8 → u/SoakedSun24]

What? Thats not even remotely what I am claiming. At all. Ever. In any comment. When I say stats>hax I mean that stat stomps beat hax stomps more often than not. Furthermore I listed Beerus vs Galaxia which IS Dragon Ball.

Youre fighting shadows buddy

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Jstin8]

Theyve also shown very often Stats>Hax

Might wanna specify then, because thats a rule people use to argue no abilities work on Dragon Ball characters because they’re too strong. Although I guess thats my bad for assuming

[u/Jstin8 → u/SoakedSun24]

Bruh I even explained my original Freeza vs Megatron example by stating that Megatron's Antimatter WOULD HAVE WORKED on Freeza but because Freeza was stat stomping it didnt matter

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Jstin8]

There have been other examples in the show where stats don’t matter though, such as Kyle vs Simon, Ghost Rider vs Spawn and so on. If Frieza just straight up can’t kill Palpatine in time what does it matter? Especially because I argued in another thread DB Ghosts and Force Spirits are not the same.

[u/Jstin8 → u/SoakedSun24]

Dude this is literally what I was saying earlier too. The cases where hax won out against stats required the hax person like Spawn to be able to last long enough to eventually get their powers off.