Community Debate Stats Results: Frieza vs Palpatine (Dragon Ball vs Star War Disney/Legends)

[u/DatKidZ364]

[u/SoakedSun24]

For those who’re like “But Frieza’s stronger and faster! Bro could just nuke the planet! Palpatine needed the death star to do that, this is a total stomp!”

Yes, Frieza takes raw power and if Palpatine wasn’t linked up to the dark side, he probably would just lose. However raw stats have never been debate enders. Frieza may outmuscle literally everyone in Palpatines army, but he doesn’t have any resistance to his soul being attacked directly, his life force being stolen oe his neck just outright being snapped. With everything Palpatine has, it’s legitimately an easier time for him as with his better mind tampering he’d be able to deduce what Frieza can and would try, and capitalize off that alone. If Palpatine really was just a feeble old man there would be NO debate, but he does have tricks up his sleeve that should prove how and why Friezas raw stats don’t matter in the long run

[u/Jstin8 → u/SoakedSun24]

No, because ALL of this, ALL OF IT, requires Palpatine to be fast enough to even attempt any of this. And even the most conservative calcs for DBS speed will far far outdo Star Wars. So freeza does just speed blitz and kill Palpatine before he can attempt literally anything and he dies horribly

[u/BCCBATTLES → u/Jstin8]

But it does NOT. Because his hax DOESN'T rely on speed, he lives on even after his physical body is destroyed as a nexus of the Dark Side, still being able to use his force abilities. Stuff like Matter and Information manipulation, Dragon Ball characters can resist mind CONTROL and their emotions getting changed, and keep fighting after transmutation, but Palpatine has all DIFFERENT kinds of mind manipulation to even just violently ripping information out of your head, as well as MATTER manipulation. He has such a diverse range of very specific abilities, it's no surprise Frieza doesn't have notable resistance to a lot of them. That includes stuff we KNOW a higher power level doesn't counter, like draining energy.

Seriously, I feel like most of the criticisms here come from a lack of even knowing what Legends Palpatine can ACTUALLY do.

[u/Nin_Saber → u/BCCBATTLES]

How does Papatine's revival through clone bodies work exactly. If his physical body is destroyed, does Palpatine's spirit show itself?

[u/BCCBATTLES → u/Nin_Saber]

Han exist long after his physical body is destroyed as living energy, the issue IS that he still has incorporeality, and by him being able to still use his force abilities, he can hide his presence, as well as having spatial Manipulation (After the death of his physical body, he became a seething nexus of Dark Side energy that could tear apart the fabric of space and devour everything in his vicinity).