Community Debate Stats Results: Frieza vs Palpatine (Dragon Ball vs Star War Disney/Legends)

[u/DatKidZ364]

[u/SoakedSun24]

For those who’re like “But Frieza’s stronger and faster! Bro could just nuke the planet! Palpatine needed the death star to do that, this is a total stomp!”

Yes, Frieza takes raw power and if Palpatine wasn’t linked up to the dark side, he probably would just lose. However raw stats have never been debate enders. Frieza may outmuscle literally everyone in Palpatines army, but he doesn’t have any resistance to his soul being attacked directly, his life force being stolen oe his neck just outright being snapped. With everything Palpatine has, it’s legitimately an easier time for him as with his better mind tampering he’d be able to deduce what Frieza can and would try, and capitalize off that alone. If Palpatine really was just a feeble old man there would be NO debate, but he does have tricks up his sleeve that should prove how and why Friezas raw stats don’t matter in the long run

[u/Nin_Saber → u/SoakedSun24]

his neck just outright being snapped

For Palpatine to snap Frieza's neck, you'd have to argue what Palpatine can telekinetically move is stronger than Frieza's own physical strength. Even a Rancor with a reinforced throat resisted being choked by Vader himself.

Also, Frieza should have some resistance to soul destruction via taking destruction energy which attacks the body and soul.

[u/BCCBATTLES → u/Nin_Saber]

I DO agree with this, cause you could just argue Frieza's too strong with his own telekinesis to be neck snapped, what Palpatine COULD do is potentially drain Frieza to a point where he is capable to do so, but he'd likely go for his easier options.

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Nin_Saber]

The hakai thing is silly because it’s still a type of ki energy, which is not what force lightning is. If you can argue force lightning is life energy then you can POTENTIALLY argue it. Potentially being the keyword.

[u/Nin_Saber → u/SoakedSun24]

But it's still a resistance Frieza should have since it's one that's actually displayed. I do agree that the "ki energy negs any hax from someone weaker" in debates is silly but if there's a hax that a dragon ball character is explicitly shown resisting than it should be fair game. I think the main potent ability of Palpatine's that could work is life drain but I feel most of his other options either don't really cut it or only work is Frieza is practically on his death bed already from exhaustion anyway.

[u/BCCBATTLES → u/Nin_Saber]

I can agree with destroying his soul not potentially working, really the options I'd say he'd have a better time with are life draining like you mentioned, information manipulation via just violently ripping it out of his head, and matter manipulation.

[u/Nin_Saber → u/BCCBATTLES]

Do you mean information manipulation as in reading his mind and thoughts?

[u/BCCBATTLES → u/Nin_Saber]

No, but it is still something he can do, I mean LITERALLY ripping information out of his head, potentially leaving him psychologically damaged, such a thing is quite frankly unlike anything we've seen in Dragon Ball, and part of the reason I think Palpatine would really just outhax Frieza, even with lower physical stats.

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Nin_Saber]

And thats the thing. Frieza is having to not only fight Palpatine, but Vader as well. Not to mention Frieza operates on a ki pool as well, using his energy in a fight while Palpatine is actively pulling it outta him would screw him up really badly. I think a DB character showing resistance to something is fair for a vs argument, thats true, but then you gotta remember that not everything can be compared 1-1. Its like saying Goku can move through skipped time or stopped time because of the hit fight, when this was because of Gokus ki. Remember Guldo? He could also stop time, but nobody was able to push through it because it wasn’t a Ki ability. You see what im getting at?

[u/Nin_Saber → u/SoakedSun24]

Vader is relevant in dealing with the Frieza Force itself but not Frieza. Any attack from Frieza with even the slightest effort into it will kill Vader and he lacks the ability to keep fighting after his body being destroyed that Palpatine has.

I do agree with your point about it not being fully 1-1, but I feel it should be sufficient in this case. Frieza takes destruction energy directly which deletes the soul. I don't think the full extent of Palpatine's Force Lightning is exactly "I delete your soul entirely with one zap" to my knowledge. So I feel Frieza's resistance should be enough to at least resist it for a notable amount of time before being vulnerable to it.

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Nin_Saber]

Vader is relevant in dealing with the Frieza Force itself but not Frieza. Any attack from Frieza with even the slightest effort into it will kill Vader and he lacks the ability to keep fighting after his body being destroyed that Palpatine has.

Alright thats true, but the point still stands I feel. Its another thing Frieza has to deal with anyway.

The hakai thing is still pretty flawed though. DBS is stupid because Frieza was in his golden form when he stopped it, and he probably would not immediately transform against someone who seems to be insanely weaker than him. Remember he only went Black because he needed to take Goku and Vegeta down immediately. The fact that Palpatine can immediately just read Friezas thoughts IMO would help against Frieza immediately powering up, but I do understand what you’re saying and I suppose its a valid argument regardless

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Nin_Saber]

True, but remember that Palpatine can just read someones mind outright, knowing what Frieza can and will pull before he tries it. Yes, thats an ability he has, and he has multiplie different types of mind control that Frieza hasnt seen, it’s disingenuous to argue “Frieza just outmuscles lol GG EZ”

[u/Nin_Saber → u/SoakedSun24]

I wasn't arguing he'd outmuscle everything Palpatine has. I was just saying that snapping Frieza's neck like he's a normal person for an ez win is not really a practical option.

[u/SoakedSun24 → u/Nin_Saber]

I know, id thought id argue it mostly because of how people seem to be under the influence that Frieza can just outmuscle Palpatine that way which he honestly shouldn’t. My apologies if I came off pretentious. Even then though, Palpatine isnt lacking in raw options, whether its attacking Friezas soul with force lightning, stealing his energy (which would work as Frieza also runs off of a ki pool) or some third thing I’m forgetting.