Iām one of them and I stand on the hill. I donāt like chain scaling that way because itd be like saying Krillin genuinely scales to high complex multi and irrelevant speed because he clashed with Goku
Context is important, every time DK and Mario clash theyāre shown to be comparable (if DK isnāt superior). Goku was testing Krillin and trying to boost his confidence
But that's how chain scaling works.2 characters are depicted to be equal to each other in some way therefore, they scale to one another and other characters that scale to that character K rool being able to scale the Donkey Kong who's a rival to Mario Would mean he's in the same rama power is mario
When the line starts from one character, I think thats fine. The character preformed the feat so they should scale to it right? And when you scale someone to someone else whos preformed that feat, I think thats also valid. But then it starts becoming unreliable when you have to scale one character off of another off of another. Itās the whole Spiderman > Rhino = Thor argument
Except tou can debunk with the rhinos stuff.Pretty easily just by pointing out how inconsistent it is for spiderman or the rhino to scale to thor also the fact that all that scaling is pretty outdated
When it comes to this situation donkey kong is a consistent rival king k rool is a consistent rival to DK it makes a pretty consistent scaling chain between all three as long as the scaling is fine and consistent existent there's no real problem with using
Actually, believe it or not Thor has boxed Rhino around 5 - 6 times and he lost. Does this mean Spider-Man = Thor? Hell no. Im just saying its weirdly more consistent than youd think.
And I think thats where the problem comes in. If K Rool shows up in a Mario game proper I will put down the pitchfork and accept that he scales to Mario. But K Rool hasnāt been around for literal years, I donāt think its 100% aight to just scale him that high now because DK beat him up. The chain is weird because it shoots a character who hasnāt been relevant in years by literal infinity because he got wiped off the floor by Mario. I think another example would be using Daisy launching Bowser away with a slap and arguing she now scales above him
consistency isn't the only problem like I said before they are really really debunkable.Let's name one time rhino actually beat thor was when thor's back was turned and stabbed him with a very certain horn. That wouldn't scale him anywhere and in recent years i'm pretty sure most of the time it goes exactly like that or it's is extremely outdated
It's not just because DK beat him up.It's because he is a rival to dk he is quite literally the antithesis to d.K they should be similar in power because of that fact, it's not just because you got beat up by him.Like for example daisy daisy hasn't done anything by herself to justify her scaling the bowser and king K rool recently pulled off some stuff with his new power ups to put him in that conversation of scaling directly to mario
Oh well of course, but like theres a few things that have happened where you can somewhat scale Rhino to Thor, whether theyre not super consistent is something else but the argument is still present. I wouldnāt scale King K to Mario off of DK because I wouldnāt scale Spidey to Thor off of Hulk or Rhino.
Maybe im missing something, but what exactly does get K Rool to Marios level off of DK alone? Is it the King of Rot stuff? Didnāt K Rool specifically need to wish for that form as well? Bananza itself is a prequel to all the Mario stuff anyhow which just cements my argument of Mario scaling being dumb. Even then, I can 100% buy Daisy upscaling Bowser before K Rool = DK > Mario because Daisy gives me a reason to actually buy that scale
It's the most of the time.It's like really bad like even in the scan not only is there no indication that silver surfers getting hurt by these punches but he even says he has no wish to fight rhino at all unless you use very outdated stuff.It's impossible to scale rhino to those high tires
DK has fought mario bowser and if more of the Mario cast it's more than reasonable to argue he's on power with them king K rool is a direct rival to donkey kong throughout his entire history i think you can see where the scaling chain comes from granted you could used the prequel argument which is fine but i don't really buy donkey kong getting that much stronger in a span above few years especially since mario adult bowser lost to a much younger yoshi that is relative with now
Ima be real with you I only used that scan because I thought it was funny. Again though I just donāt entirely agree, especially because I just cannot see King K Rool properly scaling to Mario. But I do wanna reiterate if you do use this scaling line I think its fine. I just donāt buy it as much as others do
The difference is the context: Krillin faced a young Goku who lacked more than half of the crazy shit that current Goku has. K. Rool has faced someone who has in turn repeatedly faced Mario, always showing similar levels.
In DBS Krillin clashed with a SSB Goku, people have been using that to claim Krillin is Complex Multi even though there are multiple multiple holes in the argument
He didnāt āscareā Krillin, he was using it to test Krillins power. Regardless its a stupid scene people use to say Krillin scales to high outer with irrelevant speeds even though thats not the case canonically
That's not what he was doing either. He was using it to see how Krillin would handle a battle against someone he sees as overwhelmingly more powerful than he was. Using that scene is a terrible way of arguing against chain scaling because using that scene actively requires ignoring the context of the scene. It's less chain scaling bad and more media illiteracy bad.
He was using it to see how Krillin would handle a battle against someone he sees as overwhelmingly more powerful than he was.
Yeah, thats literally testing him isnt it? He was seeing how Krillin would handle someone above his paygrade. Aka testing him.
Using that scene is a terrible way of arguing against chain scaling because using that scene actively requires ignoring the context of the scene.
Again, yeah thats what im arguing as well. Scaling K Rool to Mario off DK isnt a solid, fully concrete idea with no arguments against it, kinda like the SSB argument that people still use and bring up to argue Krillin scales to Goku
I fully agree with you bro, if he aināt appeared in games where Mario gets (supposedly) cosmic feats, he aināt scaling to them, ya canāt scale diffeerent Mario games to each other because of inconsistencies
Exactly. Mario scaling is so dumb and im someone who genuinely believes you can get Mario to Multi. I mentioned this literal seconds ago but like.. does this mean Lord Fredrick (the final boss of DKCTF) is multi+ because he can tank multiple punches from Donkey Kong? The Tiki masks too? What about Fawful? Does Fawful have multi+ durability?
I mean, I donāt even agree with multiversal Mario anymore either, but yeah, either ya donāt scale K. Rool to him, or literally everyone in the verse is as strong as Mario. Take it or leave it.
I mean, I donāt pick and choose, I just donāt chainscale throughout different games, I only give the scaling to characters in that game if itās where these feats are from. Thatās what I do for literally everything, diffferent comic runs, different video game characters, genuinely everyone is under that rule of mine.
He scales because Donkey Kong is one of the few Mario characters consistently portrayed as a physical equal to Bowser throughout every game theyāre in.
Iād say DK is also weaker than Bowser personally, but eh. Once again, I never scale Mario games to each other whatsoever, you aināt gonna convince me
I think thatās silly. You can absolutely scale Mario characters to one another if thereās precedent, regardless if one character has committed a cosmic feat or not. There is heavy, heavy precedent for K. Rool either being an equal to or downscaling Bowser. The only problem is that Donkey Kong as a series is much more grounded due to having lesser entires. K. Rool doesnāt really get the chance to do things like get launched around the galaxy at light speeds, or dodge objects that are powerful enough to shake the sun. But that doesnāt mean he shouldnāt narratively be capable of doing as such. Furthermore, you absolutely can scale different Mario games to each other, because itās the same exact characters every time.
I think that argument is weird because powerscaling takes characters at their full potential unless stated otherwise, and there are dozens of cosmic Mario feats, enough to be consistent.
I mean, I donāt think there are any of these feats like you mentioned, and neither DK or K. Rool as as strong as Bowser, who even still gets knocked out by castles dropping on him in nearly every game.
Also, nah, inconsistencies between games, like Bowser being weaker or stronger makes it meaningless to try scaling them to each other.
You could use this "inconsistency" argument for literally every video game character ever. It's long been established that DB takes characters at their best, and Mario's best is complex multiversal with the Pure Hearts, as I've gone over many times in the past.
Anyways, yeah? I use inconsistency for Sonic too, but at least the multiversal opps Super Sonic fights have been scarily consistent, just that the ones he fought as Base Sonic are usually not past solar system level.
I just think it's fundamentally impossible to expect "consistency" from a franchise that's been around so long, that ensures that as characters continue to exist they will only get weaker.
The reason DB takes characters at their strongest isn't just because it's cooler, it's because "consistency" is so up for interpretation that it'd be impossible to really do anything, what is "consistent" is subjective ( then again Powerscaling as a whole is subjective )
I would argue Mario Galaxy existing at all sets the precedent for Universe ending shenanigans in the Mario verse.
When is DK really portrayed as Bowsers direct equal though? Things like being the same weight in Mario Kart or being the good version of a Bowser space in Mario Party arenāt really good indicators.
This is just one example. Not only is Bowser physically knocked back, but heādespite being arrogant and, well, Bowserāviews DK as enough of a threat to immediately leave quietly. DKās bio in MP2 also says he thinks he can beat Bowser in a fight. Theyāre also equals in noncanon material such as Skylanders, showing this is a consistent narrative that all of their writers push.
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I agree with all of these but like are people genuinely saying king K rool doesn't scale to mario???