Iâm one of them and I stand on the hill. I donât like chain scaling that way because itd be like saying Krillin genuinely scales to high complex multi and irrelevant speed because he clashed with Goku
I fully agree with you bro, if he ainât appeared in games where Mario gets (supposedly) cosmic feats, he ainât scaling to them, ya canât scale diffeerent Mario games to each other because of inconsistencies
He scales because Donkey Kong is one of the few Mario characters consistently portrayed as a physical equal to Bowser throughout every game theyâre in.
Iâd say DK is also weaker than Bowser personally, but eh. Once again, I never scale Mario games to each other whatsoever, you ainât gonna convince me
I think thatâs silly. You can absolutely scale Mario characters to one another if thereâs precedent, regardless if one character has committed a cosmic feat or not. There is heavy, heavy precedent for K. Rool either being an equal to or downscaling Bowser. The only problem is that Donkey Kong as a series is much more grounded due to having lesser entires. K. Rool doesnât really get the chance to do things like get launched around the galaxy at light speeds, or dodge objects that are powerful enough to shake the sun. But that doesnât mean he shouldnât narratively be capable of doing as such. Furthermore, you absolutely can scale different Mario games to each other, because itâs the same exact characters every time.
I think that argument is weird because powerscaling takes characters at their full potential unless stated otherwise, and there are dozens of cosmic Mario feats, enough to be consistent.
Not just that, but it doesnât even scale to Dream Depot either, and Bowser literally had an undodgeable move in that fight bruv.
The bros. donât scale to the Dream Stone as itâs established as being beyond everyone else, and the Zeekeeper actively was needed to shatter a mere barrier for Neo-Bowserâs Castle, as the bros. couldnât. The only way they could beat a Bowser with that full power without being crushed or unable to harm him is via plot armour, straight up.
I mean, I donât think there are any of these feats like you mentioned, and neither DK or K. Rool as as strong as Bowser, who even still gets knocked out by castles dropping on him in nearly every game.
Also, nah, inconsistencies between games, like Bowser being weaker or stronger makes it meaningless to try scaling them to each other.
You could use this "inconsistency" argument for literally every video game character ever. It's long been established that DB takes characters at their best, and Mario's best is complex multiversal with the Pure Hearts, as I've gone over many times in the past.
Say, what do you think of the Dreamy Bowser ordeal? I think itâs a plot armour case as it just doesnât make sense for the bros. to beat him, unless he just didnât het much durability from the Dream Stone.
Also, it was recharged by the Dream Beats, which to my knowledge only put everyone on the island asleep, which means it doesnât contain infinite dreams, just those from the people on the island, and thus doesnât scale to Dream Depot.
Another question of mine is if those dreams are then universal in size, because I donât really know.
Anyways, yeah? I use inconsistency for Sonic too, but at least the multiversal opps Super Sonic fights have been scarily consistent, just that the ones he fought as Base Sonic are usually not past solar system level.
I just think it's fundamentally impossible to expect "consistency" from a franchise that's been around so long, that ensures that as characters continue to exist they will only get weaker.
The reason DB takes characters at their strongest isn't just because it's cooler, it's because "consistency" is so up for interpretation that it'd be impossible to really do anything, what is "consistent" is subjective ( then again Powerscaling as a whole is subjective )
I would argue Mario Galaxy existing at all sets the precedent for Universe ending shenanigans in the Mario verse.
When is DK really portrayed as Bowsers direct equal though? Things like being the same weight in Mario Kart or being the good version of a Bowser space in Mario Party arenât really good indicators.
This is just one example. Not only is Bowser physically knocked back, but heâdespite being arrogant and, well, Bowserâviews DK as enough of a threat to immediately leave quietly. DKâs bio in MP2 also says he thinks he can beat Bowser in a fight. Theyâre also equals in noncanon material such as Skylanders, showing this is a consistent narrative that all of their writers push.
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u/Director838u48 đ€Metal Sonic vs Mechagodzilla Fanđ€ Aug 04 '25
I agree with all of these but like are people genuinely saying king K rool doesn't scale to mario???