r/DeathBattleMatchups Mario vs Kirby fan Aug 04 '25

Question/Discussion Bunch of random takes of varying degrees...

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u/Usual_Database307 Flowey vs The Princess Fan Aug 04 '25

You handwaved Dreamy Bowser as plot armor. I ain’t buying that for a hot minute.

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u/Wide-Remove4293 🔥Bowser vs Eggman Fan🥚 Aug 04 '25

Brotha, it is.

Not just that, but it doesn‘t even scale to Dream Depot either, and Bowser literally had an undodgeable move in that fight bruv.

The bros. don‘t scale to the Dream Stone as it‘s established as being beyond everyone else, and the Zeekeeper actively was needed to shatter a mere barrier for Neo-Bowser‘s Castle, as the bros. couldn‘t. The only way they could beat a Bowser with that full power without being crushed or unable to harm him is via plot armour, straight up.

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u/Usual_Database307 Flowey vs The Princess Fan Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

If your debunk of a feat involves labeling it as “plot armor,” then you’ve destroyed your own argument in my eyes.

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u/Wide-Remove4293 🔥Bowser vs Eggman Fan🥚 Aug 04 '25

I mean, what else do you think it could be in this case? It breaks literally everything established about the Dream Stone, unless it barely has greater AP than Bowser and the bros.

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u/Usual_Database307 Flowey vs The Princess Fan Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

It’s them scaling to it. “Plot armor” is an out of universe reasoning that has zero precedent in-verse for them being able to do this. You can’t it that to debunk that blatantly happens.

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u/Wide-Remove4293 🔥Bowser vs Eggman Fan🥚 Aug 04 '25

Then they‘d scale above Bowser, which they literally don‘t, it‘s established that Bowser is MUCH stronger and they need skill and speed to beat him. BiS‘ ending cutscene even shows them heavily injured in their fight against Bowser, whom they barely beat, and that‘s at least consistent with the M&L games, Dream Team follows BiS directly.

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u/Wide-Remove4293 🔥Bowser vs Eggman Fan🥚 Aug 04 '25

Like, I‘d need a good explanation on how this makes sense when it breaks the narrative of the game that the bros. would suddenly scale above the same artefact that was beyond everyone in the whole game.