Kirby is such an interesting character to scale cuz..... tbh he's kinda overhyped lol. Especially back in the day, people were calling Kirby this unbeatable monster but really looking at it, he's not that insane (or maybe our standards in vs have changed so much, idk)
I think the reason people hype Kirby up so much is because the games are genuinely good at consistently portraying him, and the verse in general, as powerful.
Like yeah it’s funny to say Kirby solo’s because he’s cute, but also 99% of videogame characters that people sometimes scale above Kirby (Kratos, for example) rely almost solely off of statements. Compared to Kirby, who literally a split a planet in half multiple times.
Which is why I think people who aren’t chronic powerscalers tend to favor verses like Kirby and Dragonball. Because the characters are consistently portrayed on a cosmic tier.
So while I think people say Kirby or Goku solo’s because it’s funny, it’s also much more believable for them compared to someone like Mario or Kratos, who are simply not portrayed on that level (even if you think they are that strong).
Like, I think the average person could play the vast majority of Mario Games, and wouldn’t walk away thinking he’s particularly powerful.
Yet it’s basically impossible to play the conclusion of most modern and even some older Kirby Games, where Kirby does stuff like drill through a planet-sized clock, get blasted across the galaxy, or fight a villain who’s trying to smash two planets into one another, and not walk away thinking, “wow, Kirby’s strong.”
Yeah 100%, but its important to know that even these featsman characters need statements. Kirby and Buu wouldnt be near Low-Multiversal if it weren't for cosmology statements and graphs, Simon the Digger needed a guidebook that gets him scaling to a gag manga or something, every character to a certain point relies on statements. Thats prolly why Kirby and Dragon Ball as verses aren't that high on the scaling totem pole, because their franchises dont rely on statements as much. The only real featsman verses I can think of are, ironically, Marvel and DC, but when you have nearly a centuries worth of material, id say fair enough 😭
For sure, I just think it’s much easier for the average person to digest the statements for more feat-heavy verses when the feats do portray them at a cosmic tier of power, even when statements do get them far higher.
Obviously there is a truly gargantuan difference between planet and universe destroying, but it is easier to think of someone as universe busting if they have destroyed a planet on screen, compared to someone who hasn’t.
He's weird to matchup too, because something like Cthulhu feels like tonal clash that his final bosses just don't have, while other mascots like Mario simplify his character too much.
The Grand Supreme Kai has been watching over the universe for thousands of years and has been practicing godly martial arts for a considerable amount of time as well.
However, Kirby has gone through more adventures and has battled a larger amount of foes, so I'd give Kirby the advantage here
Kirby takes this pretty easily has all of Buu's abilities and way more of his own as well as being able to resist Buu's best abilities like Transmuation
Should still probably be kirby (high-extremy diff)
Buu has consistently shown that while he can amp himself up by training he doesn't care enough to actually maintain said power (see fit buu)
To my recollection even him holding his own against old moro was moreso due to him not being affected by his magic which was his main source of power, when he was young and could throw hands again, buu lost
While we can argue who scales where, the Low-Multi MFTL+-Infinite speed ranges are the safest scales for these two (although, higher tier arguments do more often than not favor Buu), so it comes down to powers. This seems like a winning deal for Kirby, but unfortunately Buu can just reliably tank whatever Kirby throws at him. Kirby's elemental attacks will have little to no effect, any magic attacks wont work as Buu was immune to Moro's magic via grand supreme kai's god ki, mind manipulation wont work as Buu notably couldn't be mind controlled by Babadi, and he could scale to the Z-Fighters resisting Ribrianne's Light of Love, giving him a defense for Kirby's friendship hearts. Keep in mind, Buu can regenerate from a cloud of smoke and, with his infinite stamina, I believe Buu has what it takes to wear Kirby down and win the war of attrition
Buu is now around low multi to multi and can match kirby blow for blow for the most part. His superior speed and being able to channel the kai he absored gives him a good edge.
However Kirby's durability advantage (as regen can be overcome with destructive force), many powers, hax, and superior skill ultimately mean he can tire buu out and find a lucky hit before buu has a way to put him down for good.
Ah, but that was the Supreme Kai. Unless Buu allows him to come out (which is fair) he doesn’t have that fighting prowess. Plus, he doesn’t scale to Moro’s stronger ends anyway unfortunately.
Kirby could theoretically insta-win vai friendhearts or Morpho Knight, but Buu is just (relatively) infinitely faster and stronger and could just one shot blitz before Kirby manages to do anything.
Kirby low-mid diff
since the Moro arc they should both scale similarly
but Kirby both is more skilled
has way more versatility
has multiple hax that can one shot(like the morpho knight & layered morality manipulation)
exists as a direct counter to Buu & his regeneration (he's pretty much a walking spirit bomb as energy type, and has multiple weaponry that are the same)
Kirby on top of edging out in quite a few stats just straight up HARD counters Buu here
Majin Buu. Just scaling to the Universe 7 clash alone can surpass Kirby's multiverse, both in its finite size and the statements of being infinite in its totality/the Mortal Plane alone.
When using finite ends, Buu is very clearly superior. Kirby scaling to Landia gets him at1.8 Quintillion xMFTL, which is very similar to the universe shaking punch that Goku and Beerus preformed at 1.4 Quintillion xMFTL . So based on these calcs, Kirby should edge out, right? Well, remember that the BOG feat is from Goku in the beginning of DBS, to which Moro MASSIVELY upscales from and Buu was able to contend with him. Hell, even the Universe Survival arc (which Buu was supposed to participate in before he.... fell asleep) already has feats via multipliers in the Quattuordecillions xMFTL
So finite ends, Buu claps Kirby, but if we use their infinite ends: things do even out, however Buu and DBS as a whole has more arguments for infinite speed (and even a few for immeasurable speed, which is a bit harder to justify for Kirby). Buu takes this category imo
Its pretty simply actually, this scales to Goku because he kept up with beerus who reacted to the blast in question. Essentially, Beerus reacted to and nullified the blast before it could expand any further, and Goku kept up with that Beerus.
How does that put them just as fast as the shockwave though?
Specifically, how did Beerus nullify the blast, and how far did the blast travel before he nullified it?
I’m not aware of the scenario, but, for example, if Beerus just waved his hand in the time it took for the blast to travel across the solar system, that doesn’t imply equal or even somewhat relative speed.
Him nullifying seems to just be more proof that he scales to that level of power, not that he is that fast.
Buu. He can copy Kirby's abilities through observation and he will not have the weakness of needing to switch between forms to use them. With this crucial advantage, Kirby's sheer versatility will not be able to match the deadliness of Buu's absorption, meaning Buu wins this category.
Buu can also break the Time Crash if we use Manga rules.
Do those attacks really erase opponents? They don’t really have special effects against bosses and normal enemies poof out of existence regardless of the ability (which is more of a gameplay thing cause they come back in the credits)
it doesn't have to "erase opponents" it just has to destroy buu's mass to the level he can't regenerate. In terms of complete erasure kirby's star rod should do (though debatable since fat buu got rid of his evil)
Most of these elements Buu just resists naturally, or resists via god ki (Moro specifically couldn't harm Buu with his magic because of the Grand Supreme Kai's god ki), so none of these would be enough
These are just on the top of my head, kirby has a variety of abilities that WOULD work. Hell, there's an argument he can just make a powerful enough explosion point blank it should be able to eradicate buu completely if he's caught off guard
Kirby strength in general is infused with friendship(higher friendship/bonding makes Kirby canonically stronger as well for this reason)
and Kirby himself is made out of pure good energy
pretty sure this would should be a weak point to Buu
Higher end arguments for Multiversal - 5D and above all favor Buu and DBS scaling, however Low-Multi for both of these characters is the safest bet here.
9/10 times, Kirby is fighting in close quarters, with the highest range feats he has (throwing Dedede into deep space) comes from, well, throwing. Meanwhile, Buu's ranged attacks are far more reliable in his moveset and can be aimed and shot from meters away.
I give the edge to Buu on this for having more reliable ranged options, however neither specialize in ranged combat
Buu. Ki attacks have planetary range in Dragon Ball, and Kid Buu destroyed multiple planets at once in the Anime, which should give Fat Buu multi-planetary range as well.
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