The Ink Demon vs Cuphead (Bendy and the Dark Revival/Joey Drew Studios Inc. vs Cuphead/Studio MDHR) Debate Chart

[u/SizeSoft8787]

[u/SizeSoft8787]

How do people think this matchup is debatable dawg 🙏

[u/coolaids7489 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Bendy is outer because uhh because uhh cycles and uhh he's the black screen when you turn off your device and uhh uhh he's an archetype or something

• actual argument I saw under Goku vs Bendy

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/coolaids7489]

Ink is in real life so he transcends the game R>F or smth obviously 🔥✍️

[u/LuckeVL → u/SizeSoft8787]

Think about this: cups also exist irl, heads exist too, and Cuphead is both, so he's double R>F 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[u/jeff2625 → u/coolaids7489]

the real mu should be outer bleach arguments vs outer bendy arguments tbh

[u/dugthepewdsfan → u/SizeSoft8787]

Because Bendy is more Intelligent of course!

[u/Projekt_Sarkaz → u/SizeSoft8787]

OUTER BEND

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Projekt_Sarkaz]

He’s got that animation rewind scaling fr fr 🔥

[u/[deleted] → u/SizeSoft8787]

I mean, at the very least Bendy should get regeneration or something. Doesn’t take away the fact that Cuphead destroys him in literally everything else.

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/[deleted]]

Sadly the Ink Demon unironically shouldn’t take that either 😭

[u/McMaina]

Bendy:

[u/InterestingRatio8218]

Not the Eggman treatment

[u/BonusTrackBucketBoi]

"This was an extremely close battle"

-Wiz

[u/Zealousideal_Shop476]

Anyways peak debate chart

[u/Someidiot31]

Cuphead should get intelligence ngl

[u/nonexisting-- → u/Someidiot31]

I mean tbf he was dumb enough to gamble his soul to the devil

[u/Heavy-Glass-7010]

He will use his strategy

[u/IndicationOk6905]

UNIVERSAL BENDY

I NEED YOU UNIVERSAL BENDY

[u/RedscreenOfficial]

“bro trust me this matchup is so good and the hate for it is so unwarranted”

the humble terrible fight dynamic and debate summed up in this fucking chart:

[u/RegularUnluckyGuy → u/RedscreenOfficial]

[u/jeff2625]

reminder bendy won the dbx too lmao

[u/[deleted] → u/jeff2625]

They took away Cuphead’s powers cuz they knew there was no other way for Bendy to kill him. Hell, Bendy was fighting a powerless Cuphead and had to turn into Beast Bendy to win bruh

[u/Mammoth_Ad3341]

My GOAT Cuphead solos🙏.

[u/RegularUnluckyGuy]

[u/Hopeful-Knight]

Least we got a DBX out of it

._.

[u/IronsteveX]

Damn a clean sweep

[u/spudz1203 → u/IronsteveX]

Nah, Bendy has exactly 1 stat. A clean sweep would be him getting no category.

[u/IronsteveX → u/spudz1203]

Technicalities but yeah that 1 stat doesn’t really matter 

[u/Adventurous-Truck205]

well damn lol

[u/MixedMoosh]

Nah, the Ink Demon will simply use his intelligence to cook up a winning strategy trust

[u/Mobile-Menu-4373]

REF DO SOMETHING DO ANYTHING

[u/Equivalent_Ant6794]

yeah........

[u/GiovanniPotage]

When has cuphead regenerated literally ever

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/GiovanniPotage]

there’s multiple instances but this is the most well known one

[u/GiovanniPotage → u/SizeSoft8787]

Oh we’re comping them

Fun…..

[u/Pyrothememelord → u/GiovanniPotage]

I think the show’s meant to be a prequel though right?

[u/GiovanniPotage → u/Pyrothememelord]

why would The Devil try and steal their souls twice? Why did The Devil act like he didn't know Cuphead?

It just makes more sense to call it a spin off

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/GiovanniPotage]

I think it’s a really simple answer that people just don’t acknowledge, which is that certain things from the game just got reconned, especially since the show has a the direct intent of making itself a prequel that leads into the main game ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/GiovanniPotage]

Using the show for Cuphead isn’t compositing him, the show is literally a prequel to the game lol

[u/Stakik_and_Sheepish → u/GiovanniPotage]

The Cuphead Show is a prequel

What are you on about

[u/ChemiXZ]

Can I get the template for this one?

[u/Brickman73108]

Peak debate chart

(Though I’d argue against travel speed, regeneration, endurance, experience and maybe power)

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Brickman73108]

Thanks! Though if you don’t mind me asking, why do you disagree with me giving those categories to Cuphead?

[u/Brickman73108 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Regeneration: considering bendy is an entity made of ink you can argue he has way better regeneration then Cuphead by a whole lot and I haven’t seen any signs of Cuphead regenerating unless i missed something

Travel Speed: I’d give this to bendy because teleportation arguably could be count as speed considering they move around with it and it’s something that I don’t thing Cuphead is ever seen doing but once again depends on if I missed something or not

Experience: if were counting the studio and the time bendy was created I’d say bendy has been around way longer then Cuphead but experience in fighting should definitely go to Cuphead

Endurance: Counting this as stamina

Power: I’m not to sure the power of bendy or Cuphead but I’m pretty sure that if it’s possible that if Cuphead enters bendy’s realm he could gain an advantage with everything he has in the studio though that depends if we’re using ink demon bendy or cartoon bendy

I’m not that educated on Bendy’s or Cupheads feats so I could be wrong

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Brickman73108]

Thanks for responding! I’ll try to reply to the best of my ability! Regeneration: Cuphead has regenerated his entire head being destroyed before and even then could just use his magic pencil to heal up or restore any lost limbs. (Also the Ink Demon’s regeneration is kinda fraudulent but even if you do buy it, Cuphead has done the exact same thing in the comics lol) Travel Speed: Cuphead can teleport, travel through the astral plane, scale to characters like Mortimer Freeze whose attacks reached a star from earth, and has a literal airplane that he pilots and has used to navigate through living constellations trying to kill him. Experience: Yeah your point of the Ink Demon living longer is fair, though age doesn’t directly equal experience. Also the Cuphead having better experience when it comes to fighting I agree on. Endurance: Calling it stamina isn’t technically wrong, but it’s moreso a fusion of stamina and stuff like how much pain you’re able to take, in which case while the Ink Demon has a great feat for that thanks to the torturing Wilson did to him, I do think the Cuphead cast generally has better on-screen showings of that sorta stuff. (Also you can maybe argue Cuphead’s invincibility ability contributes to the category) Power: While the Ink Demon is integral to the Cycle, he doesn’t literally control it in any way, his best feats are around wall level to debatably building while Cuphead has beaten people who’ve frozen the Sun and debatably created a solar system. Also, Cuphead being in the Cycle would honestly probably be disadvantageous for the Ink Demon since Cuphead’s magic pencil would let him erase the entire studio and anything in it. One last thing, the Ink Demon and Cartoon Bendy are two completely different characters and the fact people fuse them together for this matchups debate most of the time shows their complete and utter misunderstanding of Bendy fundamentally as a series. (Just wanna clarify that’s not aimed towards you, just people on this sub in general)

[u/Brickman73108 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Thanks for the response and these arguments helped a lot and also made me understand the other stuff Cuphead can do thanks

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Brickman73108]

No problem!

[u/No-Chocolate-1730]

Motherfucker, got everything Bendy Better Do “ I’m sliding to your block with intelligence” Ass Strategy to pull the win

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/No-Chocolate-1730]

The typa stuff the Ink Demon’s gotta do to win:

[u/No-Chocolate-1730 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Yup

[u/BonnieTheWiitch]

Question, does Cuphead have any way of putting Bendy down permanently? Since Bendy is able to respawn from the studio’s ink iirc

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/BonnieTheWiitch]

1. That’s actually a misconception, the feat of the Ink Demon completely regenerating from the ink is taken out of context from (if I remember correctly) a book where the main characters tried beating him by drowning him with Ink, which he was obviously unaffected by since he’s literally made of the stuff. (Also even if you do buy it as regeneration, Cuphead has the exact same feat in the comics lol, I’ll send the images if anyone wants)
2. So that means Cuphead just has to hit the Ink Demon once to kill him… or he could just use his magic pencil which lets him erase things/people made of magic ink lol

[u/BonnieTheWiitch → u/SizeSoft8787]

Ahh, alright I see

[u/UnderTheUmbrella08]

How does actual toon Bendy do against Cuphead?

[u/Stakik_and_Sheepish → u/UnderTheUmbrella08]

He does significantly better than his Ink counterpart but he still ultimately gets outhaxed and stonewalled

To give credit where its due he should be around Multi Continental to Small Moon which is far higher than Ink Demon could ever get

[u/sonicbro9000]

That’s my goat Cuphead!

[u/Geno015 → u/sonicbro9000]

Get me another beer stinkybro

[u/sonicbro9000 → u/Geno015]

Okay :(

[u/RealAd3012]

[u/champ53891]

This is the biggest cap ever there is no way cuphead takes all that.That’s actually stupid man this has to be fan boy of cuphead who made this and I’m also a cuphead fan and I know in a fact that cuphead can’t kill the ink demon at all

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/champ53891]

The Ink Demon can be killed by just hitting him hard enough, his regeneration and connection to the cycle got debunked. Cuphead is strong enough and fast enough to hit him hard enough which just kills the Ink Demon. Even if that wasn’t the case, Cuphead can just erase the Ink Demon with his magic pencil.

[u/Chemical_Music_3906]

Pretty sure Bendy also gets endurance, assuming that is stamina.

[u/IllustratedAloysious]

Buh,Buh but Outerversal!1!1!1

[u/Commercial_Fig7059]

I argue with experience, travel speed, and power

Experience because the studio is its own univserse that is always on loop and time might flow diffrently there

Travel speed because bendy straight up teleports around the studio

Power because bendy was made from the ink machine and it could make the entire alternative univserse studio that was infinite, so in his own realm he has the advantage

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Commercial_Fig7059]

1. Time does flow differently in the Cycle because instead of flowing linearly it flows in a loop, but that doesn’t help the Ink Demon take experience because until Wilson entered the Cycle, the Ink Demon just went through the exact same thing over and over again. Meanwhile Cuphead has gone on plenty of new adventures going up against almost anything you can think of. There’s also an argument to be made that the Ink Demon hasn’t fought anything like Cuphead before while Cuphead has fought beings like and even greater than the Ink Demon.
2. Cuphead can teleport himself, has two different ways to travel through the astral plane, scales to characters who’ve reached the sun from the earth with their abilities, and has kept up with living constellations while in his airplane.
3. What kind of “Skylanders of the ink element are stronger in this zone” ass argument is that 😭

[u/Commercial_Fig7059 → u/SizeSoft8787]

1. At the end of the game we start exactly like how we started it only with an item so we dont know if this is just one change in the cycle so who knows how many times this could have happened
2. Yes cuphead can teleport and use a plane, cuphead's teleport is very short distance and the plane is only as fast as a plane, while who knows how far bendy can teleport.
3. Everything in the dimension is ink and bendy can summon minions so yes i am saying bendy is stronger in the studio and can make anything from ink because the realm is completely made of ink, cuphead has no real way to take the fight outside of the studio so bendy will always be at his best

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Commercial_Fig7059]

I genuinely don’t know how to respond to these because (and I mean no offense to you as a person, these next few words are just directed at the arguments you’ve presented) these are some of the worst and dumbest arguments I think I’ve ever seen used as a counter in any debate I’ve ever been in 😭

[u/Commercial_Fig7059 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Ok i only joined this subreddit to see how powerful some random characters are, and im not very experienced in power scaleing

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Commercial_Fig7059]

That’s completely fair lol

[u/Legends-of-legdens → u/Commercial_Fig7059]

1) this can likely be an outlier or a small symbol of the ink machine breaking which leads to dark revival, but either way, for the longest time, bendys only real experience came from torturing Henry, who was only a human, sure he could gain access to weapons like a Tommy gun, but that’s not exactly as unique as, dragons, cowgirl cows who turn into giant flying cans of sausages, living chess pieces, a evil chef who is trying to master the power of the astral plain with cooking ingredients, experience is never about the age, it’s about everything new you face in your life time and how much you learn from it, Bendy never really learns from his experiences in BATIM or BATDR cause he’s always so much stronger then everyone else in the series, sure he has weaknesses he avoids but that’s only a small instance compared to everything cuphead has face

2) you missed out a lot of speed scaling and focused on one ability, teleportation is good but it isn’t exactly useful if your opponent is leagues faster then you and will avoid you if you try and sneak attack teleport, death battle even covered this themselves in Shredder VS Silver Samurai, having teleportation isn’t a saving Grace if you never use it properly, bendy usually just uses it to show up in front of his prey and chase, rarely if ever for combat purposes

3) while yes the studio itself is made from ink, bendy has no real control over the world, he’s feared by everyone in the machine because Joey had designed this version of Bendy to be its king, to be its monster that roams the halls looking for prey, Designed to make an ink clone of his best friend, Henry, suffer for leaving him and the studios, there’s no real proof that bendy has dominion or reality altering control over the ink world, hell, it can be disprove thanks to Wilson and the Keepers, who were able to change the entirety of the world with bendy being unable to change anything about it

[u/LeBron_is_the_goat61]

Cuphead Doesn’t Have Strength Feats Besides Pulling The Moon In His Show But This Cuphead Is Game Cuphead Not The Show Version Cuphead Relays On His Abilities Not Combat Meanwhile Bendy Fought Some Monster That Was Twice His Size

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/LeBron_is_the_goat61]

Game Cuphead and Show Cuphead are the same dude, the show is a prequel to the game. Even then in the game Mortimer Freeze has a star level feat and Hilda Berg has a debatable solar system feat

[u/Hungry_Maintenance_8 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Also didn’t Mortimer Freeze affect the sun in a comic one time?

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Hungry_Maintenance_8]

Yup, doubles as a strength and speed feat

[u/LeBron_is_the_goat61 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Ok First Dude No They Are Not Game Cuphead And Show Cuphead Are Two Different People Game Cuphead Got To The Devils Casino By Playing With Mugman And Show Cuphead Got To The Devils Casino By On A Ice Cream Walk And They Just Happen To Find The Casino And There Is Chalice Game Cuphead First Meet Her By Saving Her In A Hunted House Meanwhile Show Cuphead Meet Her At A Glasses Shop I Could Go On But I Won’t Also In The Bendy Comics Bendy Scales To Boris Who Eat Apart The Moon

[u/Gooldiddy → u/LeBron_is_the_goat61]

bro why do you type like Queen Deltarune

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/LeBron_is_the_goat61]

1. Yes there are contradictions between the show and the game but that’s incredibly likely to just be retcons for the overall series, like how Ms. Chalice in the Delicious Last Course has her design changed from the base game to look more like she did in the show.
2. The Ink Demon and Cartoon Bendy are two completely different characters, trying to fuse them together or scale them to each other shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Bendy as a series.

[u/LeBron_is_the_goat61 → u/SizeSoft8787]

Oh yeah I Know I Played The Bendy Games. Bendy Is Supposed to Be a Way To Contain The Ink Demon So I See If This Fight Happens The Ink Demon Take Full Control When Bendy’s Knocked Out And I Just Love Bendy Man That’s My Childhood

[u/RegularUnluckyGuy → u/LeBron_is_the_goat61]

"He faced monsters twice his size" you say that like Cuphead didn't do that all the time in his fucking GAME. Even though Bendy will gain strength (which he doesn't achieve), Cuphead has already faced monsters of greater power than the Ink Demon.

[u/Cultural-Horror3977]

Putting cuphead in resistances and regeneration is crazy

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Cultural-Horror3977]

I mean it’s true, Cuphead has better regeneration feats than the Ink Demon does, also Cuphead not only resists everything the Ink Demon could do like soul manipulation, but he even resists ink itself.

[u/Cultural-Horror3977 → u/SizeSoft8787]

The only regeneration feat you’ve shown is cuphead regenerating his head meanwhile the ink demon is practically immortal

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/[deleted]]

If it doesn’t inconvenience you, would you mind elaborating on why you think he edges out those categories?

[u/Final_Dragonfruit331]

And this is why you add Cartoon Bendy

[u/RegularUnluckyGuy → u/Final_Dragonfruit331]

You're literally contradicting one of the fucking foundations of Ink Demon as a character to include that. Dude, just accept that the MU is ass.

[u/SizeSoft8787 → u/Final_Dragonfruit331]

I’m ngl the idea of fusing Cartoon Bendy and Ink Demon is genuinely one of the worst things I’ve ever heard said on this sub, made even worse by just how many people do it. Not only are they two completely separate characters, but fusing them literally disrespects and ignores the main and most important aspect of the Ink Demon’s character.

[u/Kirby974 → u/Final_Dragonfruit331]

Cuphead still stomps with Cartoon Bendy, it’s just by technicality less of a stomp.