r/DeathBattleMatchups • u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair • 13h ago
Debate DEBATE CHART: Erik vs The Beast (Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera VS Disney's Beauty and the Beast)
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Hax?
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 13h ago
Erik. Pyrokinesis, Hypnosis, Curse inducement(Carlotta's voice gone), possible manipulation of stuff in the opera house(The lasso hanging Buquet, the destruction of the backdrop inHannibal), possible teleportation(pulling Christine through the mirror and into the lair under the Opera House)
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u/RohanKishibeyblade 12h ago
Excuse me, what!? I thought he was just some weird guy who lives underground with a dramatic piano
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
Nope! In fact the list I gave is non-exhaustive. He's a trained fighter too. Idk why this guy's lore runs so deep when I first watched the musical I thought he's also just a theatrical melodramatic deformed dude
Pyrokinesis: "Wandering Child" (clips online from the movie don't show it, but irl does! The movie does show his swordplay though)
Hypnosis: "Poor Fool, He Makes Me Laugh" and either "Angel of Music" or the title track
Curse inducement: Right after "Prima Donna"
Manipulation: "Hannibal Rehearsal"
Teleportation: "The Mirror"
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Attack Potency?
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
Beast. His wall-level vs Erik's slightly above Street Level(through fireballs)
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Unique Stat for this MU?
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
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u/malathan1234 Still haha I’m surprised, you don’t recognize your old home 13h ago
The angle of music - Erik
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Rules:
How I decide the catagories: I will take all the upvotes from each comments in the catagory and which ever character has the most upvotes in total will take the catagory.
No Downvoting: It accomplishes nothing and only makes things worse for the rest who're expecting a fair debate. If I recieve upto date evidence of vote rigging, I will suspend the perpetrator(s) for 2-weeks.
Give an Explanation: When choosing who takes Strength, Speed, etc, please give a rough or thorough explanation for your choice. A link to a source to back up your reasoning would also help, if you're able to.
No Favouritism: We all don't like to see our favourite characters lose but in a debate we must put those feelings aside for a fair and equal fight.
Strength = Physical output (e.g. How physically strong are they, how much can they lift, etc).
Powers = more conventional advantages like flying, ice breath, super speed.
Hax = weirder abilities like Gojo’s infinite, temporal lock, death immunity.
Attack Potency = the amount of destructive capacity they can produce.
Combat = knowledgable with martial arts/H2H (e.g. Boxing, Judo, etc).
Abilities = non-superhuman things like aiming, jumping, etc.
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
This debate was requested by u/wongjunx-kingofbeef
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
Ayyyy thanks homie! Were my other 2 requests confirmed?
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Strength?
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u/No-Entertainment5599 13h ago
Beast, Erik is just a normal human while Beast is shown to have strenght way above normal humans
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 13h ago edited 13h ago
Beast. Ripping out statue is much more than whatever base Erik has shown in the musical
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u/TJ_Boii23 6h ago
Beast. Knowing that he has broken a couple of wooden doors and wrestled a pack of wolves and Gaston, it would be clear that he is stronger than Erik.
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Speed?
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u/TJ_Boii23 6h ago
Beast by a slight edge. Erik may be fast enough to escape being caught by people hunting him, but Beast is superior to normal humans. Who has different types of animal bodies
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Skill?
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u/No-Entertainment5599 13h ago edited 12h ago
Erik, he's a very skilled assassin who has trained all his life and has his illusions meanwhile Beast does nothing aside from fighting like a brute with no training
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
Erik. Trained circus performer and military guy iirc
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u/TJ_Boii23 6h ago
Erik. He is a skilled assassin who has yet to be caught. He has always been hidden, but no human being has ever caught him
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Experience?
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u/No-Entertainment5599 13h ago
Erik, he trained himself while Beast did nothing aside from being miserable in his castle
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u/Horatio786 My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 6h ago
Erik on account of actually having combat experience.
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Intelligence?
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u/No-Entertainment5599 13h ago
Erik, it shown that he's a well educated man while again, Beast didn't receive much education after being cursed
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 13h ago
Erik on account of being older and human longer, hence being able to develop his talents as a scholar, magician, architect, inventor, and composer. Beast is a royal, yes, but being turned into a chimera before 21 really stunts your education
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u/TJ_Boii23 6h ago
Erik by a mile. Especially how he created a hiding place only for Christine to show.
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Weapons?
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
Erik. The lasso is a pretty strong wincon, and Beast has no real "weapon" aside from the mirror which to my knowledge is a glorified CCTV
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Combat?
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u/No-Entertainment5599 13h ago edited 12h ago
Erik, like I said he's a trained assassin while Beast just use his raw strength so someone skilled like Erik could take advantage of that
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
Erik. Battled soldiers and skilled warriors before, skilled whip user. Beast's best feats are against Gaston and a pack of wolves, one a hunter and one a bunch of animals, hence not really a good showing of his skill
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u/TJ_Boii23 6h ago
Slightly leaning towards Erik. He is a skilled swordsman, no doubt. But Beast also has fights in him, but a minor disadvantage for him is that after his fight with the wolves, he is badly injured, and almost dies at the hands of Gaston.
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Agility?
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u/malathan1234 Still haha I’m surprised, you don’t recognize your old home 13h ago
Beast (I'm pretty sure)
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u/TJ_Boii23 6h ago
Beast. Especially how he leaps from different places inside and outside his castle.
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who takes Battle IQ?
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u/wongjunx-kingofbeef Makima vs. Tooru fan 12h ago
Erik. Backstory reveals he did fight skilled warriors before and won, and also wrecked psychological warfare on the opera house staff
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u/MrRKeegan My matchup isn't popular enough for its own flair 13h ago
Who's the Overall Winner and what Difficulty?