There are other people that say that it’s a stomp in Joker’s favor, so when you add that to the people that think it’s a stomp for junkos favor, they cancel out so it means it’s debatable.
On a separate note, don’t alot of people here think springtrap beats junko? If that’s the case how does the person that supposedly loses to William Afton stomp Joker?
Personally I think Junko beats springtrap however I'll answer your question, it's a matter of context. You see people think Junko loses to springtrap due to his immortality, he can function as a spirit and continue the fight or even take over Monokuma units.
Everyone agrees that Monokuma units are way stronger than Springtrap physically, but they think she can't actually kill him as she can't destroy his soul. Basically springtrap outhaxes.
The joker however, is a mortal man and if he gets punched hard enough he dies.
Bullseye, not even close. I'm not interested in Junko at all, Nemesis seems like a pretty mediocre MU with nothing remarkable about it, and Green Goblin... Dude, what the hell can Joker do against him? At least Bullseye presents a unique and quite good Fight Dynamic and Fight Potential, as well as an interesting contrast in their obsessions with their heroes.
The first point is more than anything the clash of tones. Perhaps if it were a more restricted version of the Joker or a specific adaptation, it might work better. But the Joker from the main line, the same one who allies with hyper-powerful supervillains offers a rather rare clash.
This seems like a terrible argument to me. Yes, debate isn't the only thing, but it's still an important point. Many of the most interesting or exciting MUs we've had this past season were those with genuine debate. Would the waiting period for MUs like Bowser vs. Eggman, Kyle vs. Simon or even Hulk vs. Godzilla have been just as fun and exciting if they were stomps? What's the fun of saying "okay, everyone agrees this one wins, right?". The point of this is to find out who would win in a Death Battle.
It's not like you're giving me much more to argue about either. You don't give any examples. It's been a while since I reviewed Beastars content, so how exactly does Melon stack up against the Joker's unique and varied arsenal? I'm not talking in a sense of whether he could beat it or not, just how he would interact with it.
Nahh man. Why would we even look at something so obvious? Like, I don't mean the connections or the idea, but the debate. Is there anything even the Joker can do?
Okay, a piece of shit from Lego Batman. That's your best argument. Nothing consistent or even remotely relevant to the character, not even something iconic within the main line. Just a fucking mecha he used once in non-canon material. Dude, this shit is so ass. I don't even want to ruin the fun, I really wanted to like this MU for a while. But really, outside of the legacy and the minimally good connections, it seems so fucking Mid to me that I seriously don't know how it's still relevant.
"Shoot him" The Green Goblin would dodge it without any difficulty, he has hypersonic speed. He literally humiliates the Joker's most notable strengths without any problems. And to make a Composite of both, it is better to do directly the Emperor Joker vs. Goblin King.
As far as I know, the only one who presents these problems is the Green Goblin. I don't know much about Junko, but it's most likely a simple fight between the two of them with all their gadgets. Something I'm not personally interested in, but it's not disastrous. Nemesis is something similar, only with a more physical dynamic, and with a minimally close debate. And Bullseye is the most unique. It's like a cat-and-mouse game with Bullseye taking on all the Joker's shit. Just thinking about a John Wick-type sequence with him taking out the Joker's henchmen makes me love this MU
(Edit: Elaboration
Ledger vs Anton or Vaas is also a good one. I prefer Junkotrap, but Joker is a good alt. Bullseye vs Deadshot has better fight potential and debate. Green Goblin also just Objectively slaughters Joker. As for the last guy, I just don't see the vision)
People always point out Fairly that the green Goblin stomps Joker, however not many people point out that Junkler is also a stomp no matter which way you put it.
If Junko is without control of her Monokuma units then she gets stomped as Joker literally has resistance/immunity to her analysis, despair video, general manipulation, and more- and is skilled enough to contend with batman in hand to hand. She also would die to his Joker venom, and variety of weapons no contest. He stomps
However with Monokuma it comically goes in the other direction, he just gets pummeled by up to 100 at least Town level (Mountain level arguments), Relativistic to FTL, Robot bears. They're immune to Joker venom of course, they have an insane numbers advantage, weaker monokuma units have ai backups, and I think Shiro/Kurokuma can take hits from the hacking gun no problem so really no chance Joker is going to take them over somehow. So she would stomp.
So I think I'd want bullseye, as I don't know much about Nemesis.
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u/Slight1668 Skull Kid vs Collector enjoyer 1d ago
Green Goblin personally