He’s say we should put the house of light in the former plague lands like wtf devrim why can’t they just live with us why you try to give some shit territory

I genuinely can’t find anything that supports it other than being told that it is. But what we’ve been shown is that Quicksilver lacks the autonomous self repair and ability to seamlessly merge with materials that SIVA can. And just seems to be worse in the hands of people that know what to do with it than SIVA was in the claws of those that don’t.

Like some of the patrols are “Cabal broke pump with quicksilver, guardian go fix” vs “guardian, SIVA fixed thing again, go break”

It feels very hamfisted because nothing actually outlines it, at first I thought it could build faster and then I remembered there is literally nothing that demonstrates that.

The trailer for Renegade and its information is fascinating especially about being an analog to Star Wars.

The Praxic Order is the analog for the Jedi and that makes complete sense both factions feel the same with their flawed ideologies.

I wonder what the Praxic Order would think of us using Stasis, Strand, & Prismatic.

Are we forever tainted, or do we throw their dogma on its head?

Another thing I like about it is independent Vex, now a feature that made them boring is mitigated by the new free will of Choral Vex.

I was discussing how powerful an average Guardian is (not THE Guardian, I am talking average non player ones), and I've told the person that an average Guardian knows 1 element. As I was mainly pushing off of Ikora's quote upon us learning a second subclass, that we the Guardian are "out of the norm". Meaning the norm is 1 element mastered (probably only Light ones)? The other person told me that it is false, average Guardians knows 2 to 3 elements. And only use 1 element due to preference. In the end we were unable to settle the question. Hence I turn to this subreddit, as to answer my question.

Additionally you may also tell me how powerful an average Guardian is, since that was the original topic. My perception is that they are average, only know one element and own a single exotic. I find them weaker than THE Guardian, considering how many got slaughtered during the Twilight Gap with hundreds of causalities versus Fallen's thousands. I imagine they also all don't know a singular Darkness subclass.

Of course if the Guardian chooses to, they can "git gud" and learn more elements, but generally even then it's only as far as the second element. 3 and above being something only THE Guardian was able to do.

Yesterday I made a partial joke post about me having a manic episode over a Psion talking about SIVA and Maya pulling red legion from another timeline. This post is going to be a more serious question and not kopium about it returning, its relevance to the story, or anything like that.

So, the general consensus of the community has been that SIVA in the plaguelands has been cleaned up after the replication chamber was destroyed and Aksis was killed. This hasn’t been challenged much, maybe some cameos like Failsafe’s idle dialogue and the dead SIVA in season of the worthy, nothing too serious. Quicksilver is technically a branch of SIVA but still very much its own thing.

Then in Ash and Iron we return to plaguelands because Maya raided the tower for golden age tech and wants more so she can boost the echo of command with the warsat network.

Then we get into the dialogue and lore of the update and SIVA’s fate is….weirdly unclear. Here’s a few examples of every time SIVA is mentioned I found. Not exact quotes since we don’t have proper transcripts yet.

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Reclaim- Devrim: “can’t believe it, but SIVA really is gone for good. Bet house light would like it here”

Edit: Reclaim- Devirm 2: “Seems that Maya's using her new Red Legion troops to scour for caches of inert Siva." (Wtf is going on!?)

Reclaim- Saint: “good thing we took out the devil splicers together”

Reclaim- Ana 1: “if SIVA is really gone, this place would be a gold mine for golden age tech”

Reclaim- Ana 2: “Ikora wants us to make sure SIVA is fully gone before calling off the quarantine. We got to deal with Maya first”

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Optus 1: “SIVA built all a civilisation could need. A paracausal satellite fuels Maya’s greed”

Optus 2: “Does it trouble you, thinking what Maya and SIVA could do?”

Optus 3: “Maya searches for more than SIVA. She’s aiming to expand her reach.”

Optus 4: “These principles of nature. We see them in SIVA, Quicksilver, the vex. Perhaps nature can be created after all.”

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As without- Warp mirror: “Maya is overcome by the demon of greed. Alas, I can’t help but feel pity for her caged mind. I’ve received word of her stalking around the area, searching for a lead to SIVA tech. Her shortsightedness is exceeded only by her desperation.”

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It’s really odd how much SIVA is mentioned. I expected a line or two, but it feels like half the dialogue leads to SIVA in some form.

You got characters saying SIVA is gone full stop, characters who aren’t completely sure if it’s gone, characters who think Maya is looking for SIVA instead of the warsats and vice versa, and characters who think Maya is similar to SIVA.

I’ve heard at least two voice lines that refer to Maya as a plague too. Really trying to hammer home that Maya and SIVA have a thematic connection. Sure, SIVA was based on the Vex, but they never beat you over the head like this about it. Only time before this that SIVA and the Vex’s connection was mentioned was in beyond light and Lightfall. Even the Echo of Command is being compared to a fungus despite its origins being unrelated to the Vex or SIVA.

If SIVA isn’t coming back, they’re at least passing SIVA’s torch to Maya for some weird reason.

The Last City is essentially just ran by the military of nigh-immortal demi-gods. You could say that is unstable or wrong way to control a city although the Vanguard has shown to know what their doing and what they do is for the city at the end of the day.

If democracy has its way the Endless Night would've killed everyone.

The Vanguard does need to find someone to handle civilian matters simply too much on the Vanguard's plate with civilian matters and threats to the solar system but how they do their job shouldn't be questioned.

And when it comes to civilian affairs sure the Vanguard shouldn't intervene like sovereigns but setting the record straight is definitely needed. Lakshmi shouldn't have been able to spew her rhetoric un contested for so long.

I want to know what they aré (Like what tf even void Is because I have no idea) and how can be they use, i know that tecnically Solar=Fire Arc=Ligthning Stasis=Ice,

There are so many inconsistencies: The thunderlord quest showed the area to be post-siva crisis (breech in the wall, heavy snow)

The patrol space shows it as mainly pre-siva crisis but has several post-ROI details like the colony ship missing an orb (and is somehow deemed to be the current state of the cosmodrome via the new light quest etc)

Now that we've finally returned to the plaguelands it pretty much confirms the events of ROI were canon in the 'D2 cosmodrome'

It's all very confusing

He has a praxic blade. The praxic blades are weapons for the praxic order only that`s why they are called that. So the dredgen having a praxic blade could mean 4 different thing:

1. He found it somewhere: Boring.
2. He killed a praxic order member and took it: Would add to his danger, if he killed a guardian and took his praxic blade for himself. Would also be something a Sith would do.
3. He made it himself: Possibility, but how does he know how to make one, if it is a praxic order secret?
4. He was a previous praxic order member: The most fitting, most likely and most interesting option and here is why:

Dredgen Bael would be a fallen Jedi like what Darth Vader was and with that fit perfect with Star Wars, but it would also be a good twist for the new praxic order character.

The praxic order has heavy black and white way of thinking. Someone who does something evil will always will be evil and they are representatives of the pure light of the taveler. That`s their mindset. They are so full of themselves. They can`t imagine that someone like them would turn to the dark side. If the the new character gets confronted with the hypocrisy of their order with an character, who is just like them and still keeps a black and white mindset as a dredgen, they are forced to see the flaws of their order and may try to change them.

"The dredgens are evil!"

"From my point of view the praxic order is evil!"

In the loretab of the new exodic axe gives us a sneak peak of how this new praxic order character thinks and they are much like Luke. Ready for adventure and ready to fight evil. She wants to ake a backflip, break the bad guys neck and save the day. She knows that darkness doesn`t mean the user is evil, but see still had a black and white mindset of "Evil is evil." Such a twist would be very fitting for her to change.

"The praxic order didn`t told you what happened with your comrade."

"They told me enough. They told me you killed him."

"No, I am your comrade!"

"No!"

"Yes!"

"Oh."