r/DestinyTheGame • u/PhoxphireXIII Drifter's Crew • 2d ago
Discussion I’ve just reached 400, and I cannot even run a matchmade Inverted Spire right now.
What happened to this game?
I attempted to run Fireteam Ops as I had the past several weeks, but after hitting the 400s milestone, everything sucks.
I attempted to run The Inverted Spire with Matchmaking, and the team wiped to orbit nearly have a dozen times within the first two portals.
This, for me, was supposed to be the feeling of firing up the strike playlist and I’m being beaten like it’s a new raid on LFG.
No coms, people just leaving as soon as it starts, getting stunlocked by detainment/slow/etc.
There’s no fun here. I supposed I need to take a break…
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u/Failsafe_Trash_Devil 2d ago
Yeah, these bumps in power are pure shit. Like, you’re always chasing your tail and after you find a sweet spot, the game pushes you into another bracket. Trying to get an A score in Encore to get a catalyst for Choir Of One (and not even knowing if it’ll drop) has really killed my spirits this week. And Heavy Metal being so sloggy did not give me the extra ambition I was looking for to play.
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u/Ibanez607 2d ago
It will drop...but its the scoring is bugged. I ran that damn thing almost 20 times until I ended up calculating the math myself and found the sweet spot to get a rank. After I did, all the intrinsics & catalysts dropped each time I ran it, but only when i cleared with A rank . Im 300 as of today, let me know if you need help.
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u/Failsafe_Trash_Devil 2d ago
Awe. I truly appreciate that you’d offer help. Wildly cool. And bummer to hear the scoring is broken. Without being even more deprecating, I shouldn’t be surprised. I’ve been playing with one piece of non-approved gear and somewhat assumed that was holding me back despite what I’ve been doing. Without any positive boons, I have to crank it up to 470 and I’m currently 429. Not enjoyable or a “challenge” I’m yearning to creep through to get an A rating. And I think the one time I did, I didn’t get any of the intrinsics of catalysts. And waiting for the right ones and challenge modifiers make me … sadder. Granted, I’ve never really enjoyed the harder versions of content, but meh. Happy gaming and I may circle back if that’s kosher when I can muster the desire to spend time on it. Have a stellar weekend!
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u/Ibanez607 2d ago
Run it on expert with an a rank guaranteed. It sucks that you won't get higher light gear, but I promise, it will be way less grating than trying to run it on a higher difficulty; it goes very quickly once you memorize the level. And yes, use all new gear; the final score can be as low as 8,300 after the final boss if 2/2 scoring glitches happen. Even with this low of a score, if you wear all new gear with your high light level, you will succeed in getting an a rank with the rank multiplier as i got mine through at 270 running encore on expert with all modifiers, especially the locked gear...this is imperative. Just a suggestion, but considering how hard it was to get these exotics and catalysts before, I think its worth it to lower the difficulty; not receiving any high light drops in order to obtain the treasures we seek. You have a great weekend too...I really despise this new system but. .love destiny too much to stop playing.
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u/Vincentaneous 2d ago
People are leaving, afking, and speed running the Ops and leaving their fire teams at C+ 😑
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
They’ve been trained from before EOF when they could afk and get rewards while being a drain on the team.
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u/ZavalasBaldHead Gambit Classic // Baldy OG 2d ago
The game is truly awful now. It’s not fun and it’s a shame because I still want to play Destiny.
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u/MellivoraBadger 2d ago
This is my answer and to the point but I struggle to logon. Played for 30 mins yesterday and then swapped to HellDivers. In the past dependant on season I was always max level asap and then spent my time raiding.
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u/Commercial-Sky8131 2d ago
Same. I can usually get by most things but my teammates just can't survive & use up lives half the time. Or even trying to get primes to drop is a nightmare. Yay Ash & Iron will make getting to 450-500 easy like 300-400 but are they actually going to listen to the community & fix things? Can we just get back our guaranteed pinnacle drops again. Make raids/dungeons give us them too? This crap about using only portal activities is dumb. I can't keep doing what feels like 100+ runs to only maybe get nothing at all that helps with my level or a 1+ increase to any gear/gun. Feels like we're trying to get an exotic to drop from D1 again. I didn't get G-Horn until a few months before D1 was ending bc I missed Xur selling it back in the day.
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u/lordvulguuszildrohar 2d ago
So I switched to a weapons build on my hunter and titan and basically just hard carry the team. I’m using bakris / speed loaders and 200 or 199 weapons. With bakris I use the new stasis machine gun with headstone and the doge buff is enough with temporal to get the kill. And with speed loaders I use the trials machine gun with rampage and killing tally. Things will die before they can kill my teammates. It’s surprisingly efficient. And almost always gets me an a in matchmade fireteam.
- that said. Fucking lock in because if you screw up and someone else isn’t running an optimized build you’ll fail. It is a dumb system I agree. But this is my workaround.
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u/Commercial-Sky8131 2d ago
Oh I know, I use my 419 concentration Titan with stasis super to freeze everything & create crystals for them to use to block most incoming damage & to pop off a ton of damage when I shatter them making it an effective AOE build all around. Bonus if they also rely on stasis crystals, I heal constantly & always have my super & grenade back within seconds. So needless to say I'm basically Jack frost & I bring the pain lol
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u/Halo_cT 1d ago
if you're capable of that then you can probably get an A soloing whisper in less time for better gear lol
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u/lordvulguuszildrohar 1d ago
Oh definitely for sure. But it’s more of I enjoy playing with people. I don’t really care about the grind that much. Tier 4 and the occasional tier 5 is pretty competitive and the juice isn’t worth the squeeze to get to 450 for tier 5s if I have to grind caldera and whisper for 20 hours.
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u/Halo_cT 1d ago
Yeah I only did a caldera grind once or twice during Solstice. God it's boring. PvP has gotten me most of my light level gain since then.
I only did a matchmade GM once in the last few weeks. We wiped with the boss in the last damage phase and I had twice as many kills as my teammates combined. That's not fun. I'd rather do it by myself and not have randos burn all my rez tokens.
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u/lordvulguuszildrohar 1d ago
I should probably switch to PvP sets as they have the special ammo gen. But the machine gun builds are just so much fun. Machine gun and nlb with tech set ticks a lot of boxes.
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u/NarcolepticSeal 2d ago
The amount of times I’ve loaded up the game and played for 5 minutes just to immediately close it in the last few weeks is staggering. I feel like this is the closest Bungie has ever been to actually killing the game, and I’m having serious doubts about any sort of recovery considering the decisions they’ve made following feedback.
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u/Sapereos 1d ago
Yup, I tried proving grounds the other day, and both teammates left after they blew a bunch of revives in the first section. Played the brigs/tank PvP for a few instead and then logged out and played Destiny Rising…
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u/AT_Shade 2d ago
Played from release to raid then took a break. Came back at 156 power. When to do fireteam finder & just saw due to power tiers I couldn't do anything.
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u/Radiant-Pain-2160 2d ago
Hell, I had the same feeling when I hit 300. I'm done with this shit.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
I had zero issues at 300.
You people really love putting your skill issues and builds issues on display for all to see.
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u/Dry_Cat_2083 2d ago
A lot of people don’t do spire because it’s virtually impossible to finish in time so u get crap rewards for doing it as there are way to many check points for how much time they give u.
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u/MuadDibMelange 2d ago
Agreed. Even when you skip the penultimate part with the Xurboard, you’re still fighting the clock.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
Kills matter in Fireteam Ops. If you’re skipping enemies and skipping sections then you’re guaranteed to miss A rank.
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u/CoatSame2561 2d ago
The clock is irrelevant if you set it to A and just go methodical. It isn’t a particularly hard strike
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u/AnimaLEquinoX 2d ago edited 1d ago
Once you hit 400 350 matchmade activities are at the GM level, it can catch a lot of people by surprise.
You can change it back down to Master in the customization menu and run it like you were before with no issues.
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u/echoblade 1d ago
it unlocks a bit earlier than that, about 360~ or so. so i'm kinda surprised that OP didn't see that option lol
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u/AnimaLEquinoX 1d ago
You're right! I forgot it's like 350 that GM opens up. So many people miss it because I don't think they look at what modifiers are active in an activity before they run it. Otherwise, they'd see the GM ones instead of the Master ones and think to lower it back down.
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u/Select_Rush_6245 2d ago
Bungie swung for the fences with the EOF update. Missed big time. Narratively it was good. Literally everything else was garbage. Power grind is a joke. How do they even expect people to keep doing this? It’s beyond unreasonable. Gear sets are pointless. I don’t know anyone who has made a build around a gear set. Tiered loot is a spit in the face of anyone who enjoyed crafting. Bungie went out of their way to make crafted weapons nearly obsolete. There are still a couple weapons that are decent but in a little more time they will be outclassed. Bungie went out of their way to make the player spend as much time as possible playing the game. And succeeded. The downside is people realized they don’t want to play the game THAT much. No one wants to do the same activities over and over for no reason. They have started nailing the coffin shut on this game. I will not be coming back. I wasn’t planning to play EOF but on launch day I got a good deal on cdkeys and didn’t have anything else to do. I got to around 420 power and gave up. Haven’t played since. Bungie just showed me why I shouldn’t have bought the expansion. We should all just move on and remember all the great times we had while the game was good. It’s over. Just let it die.
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u/raw126 2d ago
I feel really bad for new-to-Destiny-ers from the last 2-3 years. As a D1 beta player, it was clear to me that the magic of Destiny ended with The Final Shape. 10 years was Bungie’s original goal, and they hit it. Every promise after that was doomed to fail, IMO. And yet, in classic Bungie fashion, they promised more Destiny magic with less than half of the team.
I haven’t touched the game since TFS, but I’ve been lurking here hoping, praying that Bungie could actually deliver on their 10+ years promises for newer guardians.
But the ride’s over, friends. Destiny’s done. Let it die.
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u/johndennis566 2d ago
Yeah once you hit that power you’re best off customizing the modifiers and hitting the LFG. Much better experience imo. The default modifiers are usually annoying and the activity puts you at a larger than necessary delta.
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u/404-User-Not-Found_ 2d ago edited 2d ago
What happened to this game?
GMs got matchingmaking, as people wanted.
Limited lives/wipe to orbit has no place in matchmaking ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
And yet people want matchmaking in dungeons and raids.
Admittedly, I do not play the matchmade activities cause all that happens is I watch my team mates die every 5 seconds while I carry them. And if I happen to mess up and die once, I instantly lose.
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u/Halo_cT 1d ago
The amount of people who played Court of Blades 100 times and still had no idea how to do any of the mechanics just proves how bad the average Destiny player is.
Matchmade GMs are proving that. I would LOVE to see how much the matchmade GM success rate statistics from Bungie for 3 random players has declined recently. It was actually nice a couple weeks ago when only really good players were 400 but now its a mess. Solo only unless I have friends on.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
This sub is proof of that. The number of “300LL is too hard and I can no longer play the game.” posts is staggering. Nothing in the portal felt above basically patrol difficulty. Except the match made content and conquests. But this sub exclusively plays shit that is not intended for LL gains and then complains about it.
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u/illnastyone 2d ago
No one wants to run the same shit over n over. I'd rather work a boring job at a factory and at least get paid than run these shit repetitive missions 1000 times.
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u/Annihilator4413 2d ago
Aaand this is a big reason I haven't bothered buying the new expansion yet.
I wanna feel like a powerful badass space wizard.
Instead, it's like my Guardians' bones are made of noodles, and the weapons shoot marshmallows.
I'm so incredibly sick of this power disparity. This kind of difficulty is for hard-core jackoffs that don't have jobs and spend all day playing Destiny. The casual fans have been shoved to the side for a relatively small group of hard-core individuals, but the game won't survive focusing on that kind of player group.
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u/Radiant-Pain-2160 2d ago
They go through this cycle. I've seen it since early D1. They cater to the hardcore players and the other 90% drop off. Then they make everything more welcoming for the larger player base and the hardcore players complain. So they cater to the hardcores again and the cycle repeats itself. They'll course correct, they always do.
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u/YellowStrong9931 2d ago
Games shouldn't be course correcting multiple times through a 10 year life cycle. They Fd up enough times already. They aren't going to meaningfully change.
It's time to leave the abusive relationship.
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u/Annihilator4413 2d ago
I've been there too, friend. About 3,000 hours in D2. Definitely played less over the years, but this latest fiasco is probably the nail in the coffin for me. I don't have the time I used to have to play this game anymore. I don't want to farm a single strike for two hours to get like five pieces of gear.
There's got to be a good middle ground for casuals and hard-core players to enjoy the game together, but Bungie keeps blowing right past it.
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u/MellivoraBadger 2d ago
I have close to a thousand raid clears, that’s the part of the game that kept me playing. To me a sweet spot was when they had prestige raids in the game. Leviathan was an easy raid to Sherpa and I did loads of Sherpa runs and was on a team of 5 who would take anyone through. Then for experienced people the prestige raids gave them a challenge plus the fancy armour. Killing the Eater of Worlds boss with sword and pulse rifle on prestige is still a favourite memory.
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u/snack__pack 2d ago
It's even funnier because the portal is packed full of casual activities. No raids. No dungeons. Nothing but the old playlists and seasonal activities on an endless loop. The best content of Destiny is left out, the reward system is stingy, the loot pools are tiny and thematically disconnected from the activities that drop them, and yet the grind is so damn long. This game isn't catering to hardcore players any more than casuals.
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u/Annihilator4413 1d ago
That's fair. It caters to hard-cores in some areas but not in the ones that matter the most. Meanwhile, for the causal player, it's just gotten worse in a lot of areas.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
You have massive build issues. In portal activities I crush absolutely everything without issue.
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u/Annihilator4413 1d ago
Ok good for you buddy 👍
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
Well, you could fix your problem, become a better player, and overcome the issue you’re having. Or you could bitch and moan on Reddit and try to force Bungie to make the game easier specifically for you.
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u/Annihilator4413 1d ago
You seem like the exact person that would bitch about the game being too easy before they made these awful changes in EoF.
It's fine you're enjoying the game but a large chunk of the community are not. Besides what I said in my original comment, there are dozens of things that Bungie added/changed or are straight up ignoring that has made the game a worse experience for the average player.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
I actually think the grind is too much and the portal needs more content. I also think that time gating the raid was garbage and killed the raid population until epic launches.
I think the game has issues that need to be addressed. What I don’t do is sit here and lie through my teeth about the supposed difficulty. Master and GM are just names. The game isn’t actually those difficulties. And the reality is that even GM is basically about as difficult as patrol zones. If you want an actual taste of older difficulty then hop into a conquest. That’s a little bit closer.
But the cold hard reality is you’re complaining that the game is too hard when the enemies you’re facing are about equivalent to patrol zone enemies. What else am I supposed to say? You’re getting smoked by easy enemies. That’s either a skill issue or a build issue or some combination of the two.
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u/Annihilator4413 1d ago
I think you're just here to humble brag about supposedly not having any issues with the content difficulty in the game.
Good for you, much skill, very wow. I'm glad you think the game is easy, great for you. But going by what many people are saying on the sub, you're in the minority.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 1d ago
Dude. It’s not a humble brag. The games difficulty is entirely based on LL. And you can rank up easily at -10 farming. There’s nothing to brag about. You’re fighting weak enemies.
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u/thraupidae 2d ago
Literally got on for the first time this weekly reset, loaded a matchmade inverted spire, wiped at the first thing, closed the game. Don’t subject yourself to the pain any further. They can theoretically earn my good will back, but it’s currently AWOL lol.
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u/oddlyducky1 2d ago
-40 Delta is gm level content in destiny 2 which the matchmade version pulls you into , what you're discovering is that most players can't handle gm level difficulty. Coincidentally its why many argued against matchmade gms but bungie gave everyone a bone
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u/Important_Name8669 2d ago
It's not so much the -40 delta, it's the BS combo of terrible modifiers that really ruins things and catches people out. Most people past 400 will have purposefully done -40 deltas on their terms just fine.
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u/oddlyducky1 2d ago
Gms have always had bs modifiers , and i still am arguing the vast majority doing matchmade gms now are absolutely not playing on -40 delta regularly and it shows any time I jump into a matchmade gm . It's also why I never bother with the matchmade with randoms gm , grab 2 of clan mates and knock it out no issues
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u/rockandrolla66 2d ago
The problem is Bungie, not people. It's ridiculous to level up and have the game punish you for that. Few years ago, fireteams was a breeze for anyone who was strong enough and if you wanted extra difficulty, you went with harder versions.
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u/Namtsae 2d ago
Yeah essentially the more you play the harder it gets. I hit 400 two weeks ago. Played some mythic Kepler, trials for T5 and yeah… I’m feeling done. Have played steady since D1 alpha and yeah, the friction introduced in the game sucks. It’s not fun. I don’t want to have to sweat for everything. It’s crazy that comp actually feels low key compared to fireteam ops?!??? Well Destiny Rising is pretty great and Borderlands 4 comes out next week. Ash and Iron is the first time I feel zero excitement about a new addition and honestly not even feeling excited for Star Wars Destiny.
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u/MortarPanda 2d ago
If its too difficult and not fun, don’t play on max difficulty.
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u/YujinTheDragon 2d ago
There's kind of a problem with this argument.
As you rise in Power, and go up in Guardian Rank, you're gradually expected by the game to run incrementally higher difficulties, with previous difficulties reverting to giving absolutely worthless rewards to push you to play the next highest ones.
For example, at PL 400, you're expected to GM difficulty, and running activities on Master will net rewards far below your power level and expected gear tier.
So, while "go play lower difficulties" might seem like a sound argument on paper, remember that you're punished pretty heavily for doing so.
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u/YujinTheDragon 2d ago
OP is specifically talking about the matchmade version, which forces you to be -40
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u/Scrollingmaster 2d ago
Absolutely untrue.
The score requirement jumps massively. You will need to be -40 with all new gear, the pass bonus, locked loadout and no starting ammo. And even then you will need a bit of the time bonus.
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u/throwntosaturn 2d ago
You're "punished" for doing Master by giving you guns as good as the best guns we've ever had access to in the history of the game until EoF.
If you want things to be easy and chill and not challenging it's OK if those things don't give you insanely good rewards.
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u/YujinTheDragon 2d ago
If they're just as good as the best guns we've ever had access to, then why not give us slightly better versions of the guns then, if it's that unnoticeable? This argument goes both ways, friend lol
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u/throwntosaturn 2d ago
Because there are better guns, they require you to do harder content?
But the guns in Master are equal to the best guns we've ever had. They're as good as Adepts.
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u/YujinTheDragon 2d ago
Unreal that you are out here defending ANYTHING that Bungie has been doing with this godforsaken game
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u/tonsofday 2d ago
Max difficulty is the only way and I repeat the only way to see that number go up one by one by one
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u/Alakazarm election controller 2d ago
matchmaking for that is insane and also power is not what op is complaining about
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u/tonsofday 2d ago
Ik i’m still salty about only raising 18 whopping power levels since i hit 400 mid solstice lol
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u/Alakazarm election controller 2d ago
trials is the method
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u/tonsofday 2d ago
“The most effective method only comes around for 3 days a week” Do you not get what I’m trying to say? lmao
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u/Alakazarm election controller 2d ago
im not arguing with you im just saying thats how to do it if you want to level faster
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u/tonsofday 2d ago
Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I find it hard to play pvp for more than 45 minutes at a time, tho. It gets boring either shitting on them or endlessly being shat on yourself lol
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u/Awestin11 2d ago
You don’t have a choice once you’re of that level. You’ll get funneled into that tier of matchmaking whether you like it or not, and there’s no way to go back unless you want to make zero progress, and at that point why are you running in the hamster wheel anyway?
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u/Worried-Opposite-588 2d ago
Didn’t check the modifiers but I think grounded might be active on it today. Ran it a few times earlier and it felt like enemies were doing more damage than usual, even for GM difficulty.
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u/RedditWaffler 2d ago
Yeah just tried a matchmade glassway. In the radiolorian platform room before the boss room one of the fireteam got stuck behind the barrier. We inevitably wiped.
Thats enough Destiny for today. Lol
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u/LightspeedFlash 2d ago
this is why matchmaking was never added to grandmaster nightfall before, there are loads of players that are just not ready for that kind of difficulty.
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u/Dorwrath 2d ago
I stopped playing after reach 405 around 3 weeks ago. The pinnacle to time investment was insane so I went play other games.
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u/GolldenFalcon Support 2d ago
Yeah I got to 400 and I'm quitting the game for the foreseeable future. No point in playing.
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u/techemagination 2d ago
I was a pretty casual player (weekends only). After this last DLC, I can’t get over that ridiculous little light mechanic. It’s just so, ugh. I made to 200 playing other activities, but Im having a hard time being motivated to come back and play.
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u/w1nstar 1d ago
This, for me, was supposed to be the feeling of firing up the strike
The game changed for the worse. And by a lot. I stopped playing after playing EVERY DAY since shadowkeep. In a nutshell, that's what happened to me: I couldn't do anything I was doing before and that I enjoyed. Everything was this convoluted BS of daily and weekly challenges, with absolutely nothing new in the front view. So I alt+f4 and let it go. And I don't think star wars will get this shitty version of destiny any better.
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u/GreekWizard 1d ago edited 1d ago
Inverted Spire is really interesting for sure, was impossible before they added time, and now still challenging for sure.
I decided to go for it cause I needed an at-light arms so my Zavala weeklies were 416 instead of 415. Sure easier ways to do it, but I wanted to see how it was with new timer as before it was really tough.
I knew it was going to be a challenge; it always is. It's frustrating, but also fun at times because it's a good challenge.
First try, some dude stayed in spawn for 2-3 minutes and while titan dude and I were dealing with the 4 overloads, finally joined us and promptly died twice in the first minute he tried. After reviving him twice, he left, so I did also, sorry titan guy that was doing really well, only wasted 5 minutes of our lives.
Second try, much better team, but I made a mistake at the first part where you stand on the middle 2 Hydras shooting from each side. I misguided the splash damage and dyed, then teammate died, but 3rd dude got us up and we recovered.
Big first room, no one died, but we took too long, so I know timer was going to be an issue at the end.
We made it through to the end, but with 4 minutes left on timer at boss room, I knew what was going to happen, timer was going to run out and we were not going to be able to revive anyone that died.
Second level we all get through with no deaths, but unfortunately the floor went lava as boss was heading to last phase and I was left with a sliver, but survived, but Hunter boy never. Was really bad luck.
Titan guy and I managed to kill the boss without dying but hunter boy got booted for inactivity because he was dead.
Got the arms I wanted, and promptly accidently deleted them because that GM stressed me out LOL (no big deal got another one later on)
Once they change (soon) not taking away the revives at end of timer it will get better/easier IMO.
Also for anyone in the hunters situation, please go to your menu so you won't get booted for inactivity.
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u/-Sanctum- D2: Reverse Stockholm Shills 1d ago
You might wanna hop to other greener pastures.
Destiny, for a lack of a better term, has become stagnant in content and the studio has become hostage to the board of directors for money.
“It’s just business”
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u/Middle_Definition139 1d ago
I think my biggest complaint is that I just hit 400 for example so I unlocked the grandmaster difficulty. I’m encouraged to go for the A rank but to do that I have to put the enemies at 440-450 which is way too hard and time consuming considering I’m trying to farm the activity over and over. Basically it feels as if even though I unlocked gm difficulty, I can’t fully utilize it and go for the tier 4-5’s because I’m not high enough INTO the 400’s, and don’t even get me started on the 400-450 grind.
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u/Ill-Quail-1986 1d ago
Wow these devs had lost it.... Or are doing it intentionally just to cater to these streamer people that like everything hard 🤦 or to make people stop playing because they wanna sink the company 🤷 who knows with Bungie at this point
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u/Nephurus Bang , Bang 2d ago
Tbh I find the match made ones more fun , not a hardcore ove guy but lately felt the itch and so far so good . 404 ll just play after work and of dozen of so I've run , 1 team wipe maybe 2 .
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u/raw126 2d ago
I feel really bad for new-to-Destiny-ers from the last 2-3 years. As a D1 beta player, it was clear to me that the magic of Destiny ended with The Final Shape. 10 years was Bungie’s original goal, and they hit it. Every promise after that was doomed to fail, IMO. And yet, in classic Bungie fashion, they promised more Destiny magic with less than half of the team.
I haven’t touched the game since TFS, but I’ve been lurking here hoping, praying that Bungie could actually deliver on their 10+ years promises for newer guardians.
But the ride’s over, friends. Destiny’s done. Let it die.
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u/VersaSty7e 2d ago
Didn’t we ask for Mm in pinnacle content??
Make a LFG if not getting it done through mm
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u/SRMort Vanguard's Loyal // For Cayde! 2d ago
Well you aren't playing on chill difficulty settings are you?
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u/Cr4zyC4t 2d ago
I think that's more of a fault of the Portal system.
Strikes at 400 default to GMs, and play more like "actual" GMs than they do matchmaked strikes. And it's on Bungie for basically forcing you to play at GM deltas most of the time as a gameplay baseline, and essentially eliminating the strike playlist.
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u/thekolacheking 2d ago
100%. Anyone still defending these awful changes and systems lack even the most basic critical thinking skills.
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u/SRMort Vanguard's Loyal // For Cayde! 2d ago
Because they are GMs. Don't play on that level. You don't actually need to be 450. Like, at all.
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u/Cr4zyC4t 2d ago
Right, you don't have to play for an A rating, but... you kind of do. The only real content in the game has become leveling, and you have to play a high deltas for GM matchmaking to get A's.
At least in the old system, you could jam some strikes for fun and you'd get some Vanguard resets and packages out of it, which rewarded the Vanguard weapon(s) from that season, and higher ranks had them drop with more perks.
The issue is that Bungie has just removed all the systems/incentives that allowed for more casual content.
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u/SRMort Vanguard's Loyal // For Cayde! 2d ago
If you're playing for rewards, sure. If you're playing for fun, you can't really make that argument. OP implied they were trying to have casual fun like the old strikes playlist. He picked PVE comp for that and that's not where the fun is to be had.
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u/Cr4zyC4t 2d ago
That is also true. But I think the disconnect is that even when playing for fun before, you were still making progress towards something. Guns that dropped were still "usable", rep was earned, etc. A meaningful, casual experience existed in the old system and no longer exists under the Portal.
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u/Grogonfire 2d ago
God I wish more people saw this point. The game with all its leveling/grading/modifying is so neurotic and insular now. Can't believe we went from explorer dungeons to grandmaster solo ops.
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u/PlentifulOrgans 2d ago
If you're playing for rewards, sure. If you're playing for fun, you can't really make that argument.
These two items are not separable. If you're not getting useful rewards, then the game isn't fun.
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u/The_Rick_14 Wield no power but the fury of fire! 2d ago
Except at 400, you can adjust the modifiers for the EXACT SAME ACTIVITY just not matchmade and completely avoid half of the 40 power deficit for the same score the matchmade version grants you but you have to manually find teammates.
Nothing about the matchmaking experience of the Portal activities makes any sense past 300 power.
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u/East-Dog2979 2d ago
Destiny 2 is just a bunch of people too poor or stupid to switch to a new game. This game is over.
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u/Awestin11 2d ago
It also doesn’t help that many other games coming out are arguably even worse than D2 is even despite its flaws. CoD is a gigantic meme, Battlefield is likely gonna end up like all the others, and Borderlands is to my knowledge a one-time thing with little replayabiity. The only good things that have come out recently are Silksong and Bananza (with the latter requiring an arguably overpriced console).
Gaming as a whole now is one good diamond every now and then in a sea of shit.
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u/xenosilver 2d ago
You can still run expert difficulty if you’re just looking for fun. You don’t have to run grandmaster.
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u/NEC_Bullfrog 2d ago
Just wait till Tuesday
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u/thekolacheking 2d ago
Tuesday isn't changing any difficulty - what exactly do you mean by this?
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u/nsimms77586 2d ago
This is coming Tuesday
Rebalanced scoring: The scoring in Fireteam Ops will be adjusted to give speed more value relative to killing every enemy. This aims to make achieving a top rank less challenging.
Reduced Grandmaster penalties: In the Fireteam Ops Portal activities, hitting the time limit on Grandmaster difficulty will no longer reset your revival tokens.
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u/thekolacheking 2d ago
That's great but nothing mentioned would fix OP's issue. People are leaving off the rip - the predetermined bane enemies are too oppressive. And youre pigeon-holed into playing a matchmade -40 gm activity....
He didnt once mention score, or revives. Those changes are needed, but do nothing to address ops initial mentioned grievances.
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u/nsimms77586 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm telling you why the other guy said wait till tuesday.Tuesday. I don't give a shit why OP is whining about what they're whining about.
Edit: You're also not pigeonholed into shit. All you have to do is customize and use ftf. Not that hard.
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u/jklmno1234 2d ago
Please play matchmaking versions for other players!
If no one plays it, Bungie will nerf no-matchmaking versions.
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u/MinasHand 3h ago
The game didn’t properly explain how the portal works man. I was on master stacking every possible score multiplier just trying to hit A, because I assumed grandmaster would be harder. Nope. Base grandmaster with no multipliers is FAR easier than master with some. Who designed this shit man
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u/The_Rick_14 Wield no power but the fury of fire! 2d ago
Avoid the matchmade versions when 400+. It defaults to a 40 power deficit.
For the same activities, you can adjust modifiers to get similar scores with only a 20-30 power deficit but you have find teammates on your end.
Yes, it is dumb.