r/DestinyTheGame • u/Gnomeysan • 1d ago
Question Will the power grind after Ash and Iron be easier?
Im sitting at around 315 power just because I find the power grind to be super monotonous, I just do a little at a time, I read at one point that the power grind will be a bit easier in Ash and Iron.
Will the changes make my leg of the power grind any easier or are the changes more to speed up the later part of the grind?
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u/Freakindon 1d ago
300-500 will likely be easier than 400-450 was. 500 - 550 will still suck but will be easier than 400-450 was.
300-400 shouldn’t have terribly significant changes though.
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u/TheBandit_42 a.k.a Black Spindle 1d ago
That's the hope. I will be honest, I'm not expecting much. I would love to be surprised!
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
I was hoping as well, but from the other replies it doesn't seem to be the case. :/
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u/TheBandit_42 a.k.a Black Spindle 1d ago
I think the communities trust in Bungie is rapidly dissolving. I'm not sure what's going on behind the scenes there but I feel they have intentionally designed the game to be in the space it's in and tomorrows 'major update' could be a make or break moment. If it doesn't provide incentive, alot of the community playtime will drop significantly until December when the next expansion hits
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
How anyone had any trust left in them before this is baffling. They've proven time and time again they don't care about us or this game yet yall still kept coming back hoping things would get better but deep down knowing they wouldn't
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
Why are you here if you don't care about the game or Bungie?
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
Where did I say I don't care about the game? People don't complain about things they don't care about lmao I complain because I want the game to be great again and bevause it's my right as a customer to critique the product I bought. Without complaining we'd still he stuck in vanilla d2. Without complaining the power grind would've gotten worse tomorrow instead of slightly better. God forbid people don't blindly love the game like you do
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
Where did I say I don't care about the game? People don't complain about things they don't care about lmao I complain because I want the game to be great again and bevause it's my right as a customer to critique the product I bought. Without complaining we'd still he stuck in vanilla d2. Without complaining the power grind would've gotten worse tomorrow instead of slightly better. God forbid people don't blindly love the game like you do
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
Look at the replies to this post and that would counter any argument that said I blindly love the game, and I assumed that when you said "yall just keep coming back" you weren't playing, so you just labeled yourself as part of the problem.
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
I'd taken a 2yr break from this game, but got talked into EoF by clanmates and regretted the purchase every day since. So yes I am a small part of the problem but that's why I'm voicing my complaints 🤷♂️
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
You can voice your complaints fine but as soon you start blaming other people for Bungie's practices when you are also part of the problem then it becomes hypocritical. You said it yourself that people had to talk you into getting into the game again. That indicates you had reservations and chose to do it anyway, so yes complain all you want, feedback is how the game gets better but your attitude came off very pointed and hateful towards other players.
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
Cuz it was. If yall had opened your eyes years ago we wouldn't be in this situation now but here we are 🤷♂️ I'm aware of the hypocrisy of me playing again but that doesn't change the fact had we drawn the line years ago then the game would be in a much better state now. We are all partly to blame but those who never stopped playing are more to blame than those of us who did stop for a few years.
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
I've been a very vocal advocate for Bungie since the beginning, I'm usually on the positive side of the game, I play when I enjoy it, don't when I'm not. Hell I've got a tattoo inspired by the game, but the way things are right now are not friendly towards players like me who don't have a lot of time or don't want to mindlessly grind for miniscule power increases. I'm probably never going to quit the game, but I will take extended breaks when the game isn't fun for me.
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u/The_Rick_14 Wield no power but the fury of fire! 1d ago
The answer is likely "Your Mileage May Vary" and what I mean by that is that it depends on what activities you were doing/continue to do.
If you are doing activities with multiple completion rewards, then you will have an increased chance of Primes dropping which should level you faster.
They've also rebalanced some of the activities to give more completion rewards.
But if you were only ever doing solo ops, then there really won't be much change at all.
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u/TwevOWNED 1d ago
Kinda.
Non-featured gear will get a substantial nerf in non-matchmade modes.
500 to 550 will be significantly better than 400 to 450.
Fireteam ops is technically better, but still worse than solo/pinnacle
The dungeon lairs might be worthwhile.
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u/Zayl 1d ago
What's going on with non-featured gear in non-matchmade modes?
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u/TwevOWNED 1d ago
Locked Loadout is losing points and a new modifier Touche that combines Locked Loadout and Avant Garde is taking its place.
If you have any non-featured gear, you'll take an extra -10 or -20 power modifier.
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u/throwntosaturn 1d ago
It's exactly -10 modifier worth of points lost, so it shouldn't ever cost you 20 points. But yeah, for sure.
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u/NotoriousCHIM 1d ago
I think for the most part the changes that are coming in Ash & Iron are targeting the upper band (500-550, and 400-450 when Renegades releases), and the climb to that upper band will remain the same.
After tomorrow, it will be easier to hit 450 since it will no longer rely on prime drops, and getting from 500 to 550 will be easier since activities are guaranteed to have a +1 drop upon completion (I think minimum rank has to be B or B+).
It's possible that they will adjust this for Renegades, and increase the speed at which players level up to 400.
Honestly, I would prefer if they just compressed everything down to a smaller number, a maximum of like 200 or something. I don't really see the appeal behind the arbitrary pick of 450 to start and then 550 for the mid-expansion update.
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
With the new systems, I thinks its going to be trial and error for a while, it definitely is the least fun I've had with the game by far. But hopefully in time they will find a viable option for everyone to feel like it's not a second job.
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u/Clear_Reveal_4187 1d ago
The biggest change will be 500-550, however, you should be able play more things than just solo ops. I suspect solo ops, and speed running certain pinnacle ops are still going to be the most efficient methods.
Fireteam ops should at least be more viable.
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u/comicsanz2797 23h ago
I think the biggest changes are that bonus drops will have the chance at being prime engrams and that 400-550 will be +1 for powerful AND prime drops now instead of just prime drops. So one one had yes it’ll be a little better but not really and getting to 450/550 is still gonna be a monotonous grind
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u/Clickbait93 Up the Grenade Munchers! 1d ago
I believe going from 400 to 500 and subsequently from 500 to 550 will be easier.
The rest will be the same
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u/Quantumriot7 1d ago
I mean a bit because primes will be tied to amount of drops from end of activities vs the current 1 per activity, so you'll see boosts more commonly but most the changes are targeted to the last 50 as those needed primes to progress
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
Thats unfortunate, I think this is the most disengaged I've been with Destiny since D2's release..
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u/Funter_312 Warlock 1d ago
Kind of. Mind you if you are getting primes more often even before 500, your total climb with be faster because of +3 power items dropping much more often. So basically it will be hunt down your activities that have the most bonus drops to climb faster as an alternative to grinding solo
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
That is true, although I think that the prime change is just one piece of changes that should be made for the power grind. I understand that the highest tiered gear is the goal and they don't want players to get them too easily but as it stands most of the somewhat casual audience will never see a tier 5 drop.
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u/Funter_312 Warlock 1d ago
100%. I play at least 4 days a week and I just hit 410 and was able to complete my delve conquest.
Admittedly I spent a fair amount of time in the raid where my homies were in the mines but I think only one of my crew hit 450, so even some of the solo grind guys didn’t make it
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
And that's fine. You don't NEED t5s for anything, a t3 is already better than anything we had pre-EoF. The casual audience has no need for t5s but they'll cry and whine if they can't get them easily.
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
This is a stupid argument to have when Tier 5s are part of the leveling process, if tier 5s were locked behind master raids or epic raids then thats fine but thats not the case.
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
It's still fine. If casuals will never reach that high of a light level then what do they need t5s for? There isn't a single piece of content in the game that you NEED t5s for. The tier system in general was a mistake and only implemented so bungie could make a quarter of the gear they'd usually need to for a new expansion. Why make 20 different pieces of gear when you can make 4 and give them 5 tiers each 🤷♂️ the tier system serves no purpose at all, just like the feature system. Everything in this expansion was designed to keep people grinding meaninglessly
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
Whether or not the systems in place is good or bad is not the question. The question is how do they make the game fun and rewarding for the most amount of players. As it stands the only people being rewarded are players that have ample time to log into the game. Whether or not you NEED tier 5s is also not important, what is important is that Bungie made them the items to go for and if people can't get them then they will not feel rewarded and stop playing.
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
That just proves my point that the tier system is terrible. Makes people think only t5s are worth getting so they don't feel retarded if they get anything lower. The system adds nothing positive to the game. Tiring gear isn't the answer to how they make the game fun and rewarding. The reality is that not everything can be rewarding all the time and that's okay. People need to accept that they're not entitled to every piece of gear simply by buying the game. Anyone can find any amount of playtime rewarding if they just play for fun and stop caring about what drops they get.
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u/AggronStrong 1d ago
Most of the changes are to the latter end of the power grind, tbh, but the earlier grind should still be better with a greater variety of activities having their Portal rewards increased.
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
Won't matter how much they improve fireteam/pinnacle ops. Solo will still be the most efficient due to being able to complete multiple solos in the time it takes to do one fireteam/pinnacle run. Players will always go where it's most efficient. Fireteam could drop +10 and it'd still be slower than grinding solo. As long as the solo ops exist the portal can never function as intended
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u/Appropriate-Escape54 1d ago
I'm at 350 right now and for me to be Guardian Rank 9 the only mission left is to achieve power level 400 which is a pain to get now so I will just wait for Ash and Iron to release before I continue leveling again.
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u/throwntosaturn 1d ago
There will be some changes that will make playing less optimally significantly faster.
For example, the "worst" strikes in Fireteam ops will now reward 2 drops instead of 1. So if you were for example random queuing fireteam ops and NOT leaving instantly if you got Liminality, you are no longer going to be punished nearly as badly for that.
If you were already grinding solo ops as efficiently as possible you will not speed up at all in the 300-400 range. 400 to 500 will be dramatically faster than it is now.
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u/TheRed24 1d ago
Sounds like it will be a lot easier, especially the hard cap to pinnacle cap grind
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u/drjenkstah 1d ago
It seems like it will speed up grind past 400 as it’s RNG on top of RNG to even get a prime engram that you need to level up. What remains to be seen is if it’ll do anything to leveling prior to 400.
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u/sundalius Bungie's Strongest Soldier 22h ago
You’ll be able to find variety in more activities dropping more things, so it’ll feel less bad to run Fireteam/Pinnacle ops for less rewards than solo ops.
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u/Jrockz133T 1d ago
No. They actually planned on making it worse, until they got backlash. Its gonna be the same, but Fireteam ops will be better than it was.
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u/TheBandit_42 a.k.a Black Spindle 1d ago
I sure hope they reduce the amount of negative modifiers in all the Ops. We can put strong builds together but then to have them immediately nerfed due to forced modifiers suck.
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u/Jrockz133T 1d ago
As someone who's currently stuck in that 60-80 power level where you're forced to either stack modifiers or play very under leveled for the next difficulty tier, I fully agree. But it seems like that won't happen until Renegades, if we're lucky
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
Breaking the difficulty tiers down into tiers of 50 instead of 100 would fix that issue. But given its an easy fix Bungie will never do it 😅
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u/ImTriggered247 1d ago
It will be easier, not the same. Please read the last couple of TWIDs.
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u/Jrockz133T 1d ago
It will be easier in the pinnacle grind, but the 200-500 isn't changing except for Fireteam ops being slightly more rewarding. Which was the question OP asked. They aren't in the pinnacle grind area yet, so no it isn't gonna be easier for them.
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u/ImTriggered247 1d ago
The grind in general will be easier. Again, read through the TWID becuase more than just fireteam ops is changing and you don’t have to wait until 400 or 500 to grind pinnacles. 🙄
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u/sandwhich_sensei 1d ago
Which means solo will still be the optimal way to level light up, good job bungie. Way to not fix anything 👏
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u/TheGryphonRaven Titan with a Warlock's mind 1d ago
I'm still not getting anywhere over probably 510 bc I don't plan on torturing myself with Caldera.
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u/karlcabaniya 1d ago
Apparently, the grind from 400 to 450 will be easier, because that was the cap before. The rest of the grind will remain the same.
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u/SCPF2112 1d ago
It is already super easy for you up to 400. All you have to do is play the Portal and get A scores ( and sometimes not even that). It doesn't need to be easier at 315. What needs to be easier is 400 and up.
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u/Gnomeysan 1d ago
I argue the entire system need to be sped up. Just because it's "easy" doesn't mean it's not boring and takes way too much time to get through.
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u/AlldeesKnots 1d ago
From what I can tell they made the system so that you would get to 400 by Ash and Iron. I am 390, with an average time of 2 hours per day, but that's a bit high for me and normally it would be around 1.5 hours per day, but I also bought the campaign when I was over 300 so all the play time of the campaign I am not leveling up at all.
I also never grinded, I think the most I ran a Solo Op was 3 times in a row, I would constantly change activities, Crucible, Fireteam, Pinnacle Solo Ops.
So from what it seems this is how the new system will stay, they might speed it up a little bit, but at the same time, if I bought the expansion right away I'd be 400 already for sure.
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u/SCPF2112 1d ago
Yeah, as I sit here at 449 6/8 I'd like that too. I don't think they want to speed it up since then we would all realize that running the same solo op over and over and over isn't really content.
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u/TheDinkster679 Hawkmoon 1d ago
So if I’m 450 am I still going to be getting tons of tier 5s, or do I have to get to 550?
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u/ImTriggered247 1d ago
1.25M+ scores should net you a T5 from power level 450 and up
Edit: I believe 500+ requires slightly lower scores for T5s
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u/Oblivionix129 1d ago
I'm 450. Just hit it on Thursday. Been hard farming crucible, trials and comp for tier 5 armor pieces bc I am DONE grinding power in the mines. I've got almost everything I want. For once my stingy habit of having only 200 things in my vault (I play all 3 chars) worked in my favor since I don't have to sort Shit - I can just chuck it in there and leave it there for later.
Will the grind be easier? Sure. Will I grind to 500 or 550? FUCK NO.
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u/EvenBeyond 21h ago
The 400-450 grind will be easier apparently. But the 300-400 will only be marginally better, mostly due to more drops in activities, and each of those drops having a chance to be pinnacle
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u/Atlas_Wade 14h ago edited 14h ago
The individual here did an analysis on the twid and the proposed leveling changes. Good read. Leveling should be much faster. Beyond the 500-550 grind, the pinnacle and fireteam ops playlists are seeing some increases in rewards to potentially make them more rewarding to do than solo ops is now, but we'll see.
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u/Singels Perpetual Blueberry 1d ago
To 500 wil be much better than 400 -> 450, 500 -> 550 slightly because primes are now tied to amount of drops from end of activities. But as soon as you hit 500 you'll get mostly Tier 5 so that should be better.