r/DestinyTheGame • u/RussianThere Dragonslayer • 1d ago
Media Bungie, as a Warlock main, here’s an example of how I want summons to work
Notice how they actually look like little creatures, and seem to be able to act in different ways, rather than just being blobs of elemental energy.
Idk, it’d be cool if Destiny had something like this
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u/MechaGodzilla101 23h ago
Mobile game is doing Broodweaver better than Broodweaver lmao
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u/HellChicken949 23h ago edited 23h ago
Tbf it isn’t hard to be better than broodweaver when bungie fucked up broodweaver class design so hard that the summon subclass doesn’t actually have a summon and an artifact mod (that they STILL refuse to put on broodweaver) is the only way this subclass sees any usage, while also having one of its aspects being an artifact mod and it being called “the wanderer” when it doesn’t wander.
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u/Nukesnipe Drifter's Crew 23h ago
The most wandering part about it is that when you grapple, you can fly halfway to fucking Narnia.
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u/Saturn_06 23h ago
I would love summons if holding down an ability let them do a major action after summoning them. Hold your grenade, melee or class ability to command them.
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u/hivEM1nd_ 21h ago
Imagine if briarbinds let you just move around the void buddy from a distance
Maybe it could even pull minor enemies it has attached
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u/Blackfang08 20h ago
I wouldn't mind Warlock being the summoner class (although it looks like Bungie is fixing this in the future) if summoning was actually any good at fulfilling the power fantasy. Let me have a lingering summon that I can command to target groups, more like Finality's Auger.
I'm not sure Destiny's gameplay is designed in a way where it will work out, though. Rising's buildcrafting is nothing like D2, and even the powers in the video OP linked seem to basically just be the Song of Flame grenade and a very big placeable turret. Your idea of having to add hold inputs for every ability slot kind of shows the difficulty of fitting pet commands into the game.
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u/Kahlypso 3h ago
Imagine the summon replaced the grenade, and grenade charges could be used to cause the summon to do damage/CC/whatever.
....you know: normal, baseline, braindead RPG stuff.
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u/Equivalent_Pitch9271 1d ago
You'll get a green strand ball and you'll like it
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u/RussianThere Dragonslayer 1d ago
I get a ball of each color, hooray. At least maybe they’ll actually synergize with builds and mods soon. Maybe. If Bungie manages to make it work
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u/MrTheWaffleKing Consumer of Grenades 23h ago
If only whirling maelstrom green strand ball summon was on the summon class
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u/Blackfang08 21h ago
Pry it from my cold, dead hands. You'll have to crush my Ghost to do it.
But also as someone who enjoys playing summoners in not-Destiny, and has been playing a ton of Warlock for the past few months: The Wanderer should absolutely get a total rework to be a new summon. Even just a giant Threadling with legs and the ability to attack multiple times.
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u/FitGrapthor 20h ago
Alright fine. Warlocks get whirling maelstrom and in exchange hunters get child of the old gods. You know, that thing that does a better job of tethering and trapping enemies than anything on void hunter with much higher uptime.
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u/-RoosterLollipops- 17h ago
I went into Crucible on my Void Hunter and fired my Super, but the two enemy Guardians just sorta walked slowly out of the tethers. Is this normal?
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u/FornaxTheConqueror 19h ago
Yeah and while they're at it give warlocks back their frozen and fiery tornado summons... also that CotoG knockoff that void hunter has.
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u/ChromiumPanda Protector of Pancakes 18h ago
What is this fiery and frozen tornado summon you speak of, was it an artifact mod?
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u/Funter_312 Warlock 23h ago
You gotta be fucking kidding me….. do I really have to download this fucking game
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u/readytojumpstart 23h ago
Its quite good. Covered in systems and currencies, but quite good.
The bratty little brother who you have to admit does a lot of things better than you.
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u/BC1207 20h ago
The reason you can say a mobile game is good despite the mtx is because the bar is so low it’s practically in hell.
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u/Curious-Hamster-5046 11h ago
the game has as much mtx as destiny but none of the playable content requires purchasing unlike destiny.
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u/RussianThere Dragonslayer 16h ago
systems and currencies
Funny enough, this isn’t actually a reference to mtx. The currencies and systems are artifacts, weapons, skill trees, mods and their upgrades, etc. The currencies for upgrades are actually obtained for free through gameplay.
Yes, there are mtx though, and bundles you can buy for silver. But the systems and currencies mentioned in the comment are actually in reference to the core gameplay loops
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u/IndependenceQuirky96 22h ago
It's actually pretty good, it has gacha boxes but you 100% do not need them, everything in the boxes can be acquired in game, just takes a bit longer, kinda like the free season pass in D2
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u/LikeAPwny 23h ago
Been having a blast with it. Havent paid a cent just hit level 80 and havent been slowed down or stopped because of gacha mechanics. I also have the ultra rare character Gwynn from a 1.2% pull chance.
Every resource you need the game clearly tells you how to get it, and the activities to do so are varied.
Its very deep too, its like every 10 levels unlocks a new way to upgrade your character and those systems themselves can also be upgraded.
Theres also casual activities like fishing, sparrow racing and a card game. 3 things ive been asking Destiny to do since day 1 lol.
It makes Destiny 2 look bad.
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u/Magenu 22h ago
So you got lucky and are using that as a benchmark for everyone else?
Dude, it's barely been a week. Of course you aren't gonna hit the gacha wall quite yet.
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u/DiabolicallyRandom We must be able to see one another as we truly are 22h ago
1.2% chance per pull with a guaranteed drop after like 60 pulls.
The game gives you enough materials and free pulls to get that many pulls just from playing through the campaign.
I am certain no way will that be the case for future character releases, just pointing out that you are being a bit overly critical of their claim.
They have definitely front loaded the game, and it seems like they are saving the hard gacha walls for long term. But i also would argue that if you set aside the actual characters themselves, which clearly will be heavily pull based, the game itself gives you everything you need to play it at all tiers and all difficulty levels in my experience. It's just how long do you want to grind - WHICH - given the variety of activities and events you can participate in on release... it makes free to play look much more viable than many other games.
I remain suspicious of course, and i just dont care for running an emulated game on my PC as its less than perfect performance. But I am keeping an eye on the game. Hopefully, Bungie is too, as well as how people receive it - and make appropriate efforts to fill gaps made ever more glaring by a... mobile gacha game.
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u/Magenu 22h ago
What's the cost for those 60 pulls?
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u/DiabolicallyRandom We must be able to see one another as we truly are 22h ago
Did you even READ my comment past your intense hatred?
The game gives you enough materials and free pulls to get that many pulls just from playing through the campaign.
The cost is zero dollars. I have spent zero cents on this game because I refuse to financially support gacha games on principle alone.
I received by gwen after about 40 pulls. i have since made another 20 or so pulls just by using in-game earned currency - NOT money, NOT silver.
Respond again without clearly having read my entire original comment and I will just block you - easy peasy, won't engage with people who act in bad faith.
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u/Magenu 22h ago
You yourself say you get materials for those pulls from the campaign. What about after? What's the gain rate on pulls from being F2P? Is it possible to confirm or even make likely a rare character drop F2P? And if money is required, what's the average?
I'm very whelmed by all these stories of "I got this character free, haven't paid a cent, etc."; it's been just over a week. I'll be amazed if a new character drops (that's BIS) and anybody is able to pull them for free without a fresh account.
It's a Netease gacha game. It's a known quantity, and the other shoe is gonna drop sooner rather than later. I would be flabbergasted if they kept it F2P friendly.
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u/Fenota 22h ago
The main character is pretty strong and you're forced to use them for story missions, by that token alone it's F2P friendly.
If they copy Hoyo games and give the MC multiple versions of itself to level up and keep him relevant / different play styles it'd also stave off the inevitable power creep a bit.
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u/DiabolicallyRandom We must be able to see one another as we truly are 22h ago
Dude, IDK what part of this you do not understand - You spend GAME CURRENCY on Pulls. Clearly, you don't want to accept that this is actually real. There is a CAP on # of pulls required to get the drop. You CAN grind enough of the currency to buy more pulls than the game gives you outright. You can OPTIONALLY spend money to skip the grind. Note: This is a mechanic I hate in ALL gacha games, period.
No. Money. Required. Period.
TIME is required. Not money.
I ALREADY acknowledged this is front loaded. Future characters likely will not have as generous of a pathway - but THIS one does.
Yes - its a "gacha" game. No, it's NOT the same as all the other gacha games. It doesn't lock you out of activities or gameplay, it doesn't prevent you from being able to do things at all. It just requires a lot of grinding. It's accessible for free - the draw to spend is personal, and I ignore it. Many won't which is why I continue to remain steadfast in my personal position against gacha mechanics in games.
But I think criticism should be factual and relevant, and focused on the game and not trashing people who are playing it. The former is reasonable and acceptable, the latter just makes you an asshole.
I can tell though from your entire post history today and the last few days that you are just a burning rage on fire trashing everyone who says anything positive - without any factual basis to boot. You won't actually read a well reasoned comment, you appear to be the type of individual who stops the moment you read something you don't like, and hamfist a retort that ends up ignoring most of the context.
I'll not engage further with you, because I don't think you are being at all genuine. You want to trash anyone who plays it, regardless of their motive, and ensure that their opinions get drowned out. It's a shitty approach and a shitty way to treat people.
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u/Kinterlude 19h ago
Are you intentionally trolling despite being given the answer multiple times?
I don't get what's up with people feeling the need to white knight Bungie. NetEase is doing more respect to Destiny than Bungie is right now with their attempt to pigeon hole everything. Not to mention leaving more than half the content a relic of the past since it no longer adheres to their new system.
Gacha games never need you to spend money. It's not different from the Eververse and bright dust. Except you can still get things in a gacha game without spending a dime (just by playing) opposed to having to spend silver in Destiny for certain things.
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u/LikeAPwny 22h ago
There is no wall as far as I can tell. As I said every resource is obtainable and it clearly tells you how. The rest is a fairly regular grind, far more enjoyable of one than the current one in D2. My reasoning for stating I got the ultra rare character was just to show you dont have to buy her.
If there comes a point (again as of now I cant see this happening) where Im forced to engage in the gacha mechanics, ill move on from the game and have immensely enjoyed my dozens of hours with it.
If you havent tried the game Im not sure you can speak to the “gacha wall”
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u/Magenu 22h ago
...have you played a gacha before? The first hit is always free.
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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun 18h ago
Ok guy, it's a game with a less than perfect monetization scheme, not heroin.
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u/LikeAPwny 21h ago
Yes I have. I take it you havent tried this one? Does it upset you its doing better than the main game?
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u/Blackfang08 21h ago
I got Gwynn within like 3-4 days of casual play. It really wasn't that hard, and I had to summon over halfway to the guaranteed pull before she dropped.
I'm not saying it being a gacha is great, but it really isn't that bad so far, and the game is still fun and has a ton of content for f2p players.
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u/splinter1545 18h ago
I've been playing Destiny Rising since day 1. It's not better than Destiny 2, only because of the mobile mechanics like limited energy and the gacha, but it gets so much right that it doesn't even matter to me. Your guardian actually talks and has conversations with not only his ghost, but other characters as well. There's a tutorial for basically every single thing in the game. You can click on a perk on a gun and it shows the entire perk pool for it as well as which perks are the recommended. Characters and guns can have user reviews. Wondering where to get a mat or currency? Just click on it and they'll be a list of all possible ways to get it. Quest obj not near you? Don't worry, let's fast travel there.
Like, I can go on and on about all the QoL and stuff this game has. It really shows that Destiny would be better if given to anyone else except Bungie.
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u/RussianThere Dragonslayer 16h ago
Your guardian actually talks and has conversations with not only his ghost, but other characters as well
And ALL of the other characters also have ghosts with unique voices and personalities too.
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u/HackChalice6 11h ago
I know we like to shit on them but that last statement just isn’t right. Bungie has been keeping this game going for almost 11 years now with a constant community behind it. Not many games last that long especially a game like this.
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u/splinter1545 10h ago
I respectfully disagree. As someone who has been playing MMOs basically their whole life, Bungie has not once got close to making one with Destiny. Was it all bad in those 11 years? No, but it wasn't the best it could have been, either.
This franchise just feels like missed potential since Bungie doesn't actually know what they want Destiny to be. D1 was a shared world shooter, D2 Vanilla was a collection game, Forsaken was a return to form but catering to the more hardcore crowd, Shadowfall switched to a more MMO like style model, and now Edge of Fate is basically their take on the ARPG formula in games like Diablo, but in the worst way possible. Destiny Rising is refreshing because it knows it wants to be an MMO, and fleshes out those features with people have been asking for since D1.
Like, I understand your point, since it's a harsh thing to say. But I have spent almost $600 on this franchise since Taken King, and it feels that the game just keeps going in circles when it comes to its potential, so it's no surprise a lot of people are frustrated with how Bungie has handled Destiny.
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u/360GameTV 20h ago
Beside from the gacha part which you can nearly ignore, it is a good game and a fresh Destiny experience with a LOT of QOL updates which we want since years
(Of course there are also some negative parts like daily limites but gache works like this)
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u/Isrrunder 21h ago
Worth a shot. It's fairly enjoyable. At the end of the day it's kinda just more destiny but with gacha but it does a lot of things missing from bungie destiny quite well. Still always makes me want to play actual destiny tho. But on the train or a long break between lectures at uni, this is perfect
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u/TheSweetGeni 16h ago
It’s fine if you have an ounce of self control. The free to play aspect is alot more generous than other gotcha games out there.
Most of the criticisms come from the vein of, it is gotcha ya (it’s a free mobile game… duh), or it’s a mobile game (which is why it pisses not only me but probably them off too). Most are trying to cope with the fact that someone other than bungie can make destiny good, I think it’s hurting some egos.
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u/Leviathan7414 1h ago
I can’t describe how much better it is than D2. There’s real passion from the devs here, real QoL and so much more content.
I’ve put down D2 for it and after today’s awful livestream? It’ll likely be a permanent switch.
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u/Denariox 23h ago
You know you've fucked up as a studio when people are praising NetEase for doing a better job than the IP you created.
Wtf happened to you Bungie. A free to play gacha destiny is better than your god damn AAA destiny.
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u/Magenu 22h ago
If you're that impressed by a single flashy ability that you're willing to look past it's a gacha game by Netease...
DR is gonna be a ghost town full of addicts in a few months when the gacha cranks up.
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u/Blackfang08 21h ago
It being a gacha game does not mean it doesn't have a significantly better tutorial than Destiny 2.
It being a gacha game does not mean it doesn't represent a lot of power fantasies better than Destiny 2.
It being a gacha game does not mean it doesn't have clearer class fantasies than Destiny 2.
It being a gacha game does not mean it doesn't have better casual gameplay modes than Destiny 2.
You don't have to like the business model, but being a gacha does not nullify every single positive aspect of the game, and does not mean Bungie shouldn't do better when it's clear that many of the things we've been begging for for years can be implemented just fine.
You wanting to criticize the business model when you haven't even played the game and seen how solid the f2p experience is, and while being a Destiny 2 player especially seems like wild choice. As if Bungie doesn't try to make easy money off of their players all the time.
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u/Denariox 22h ago
I'm just fucking around, don't mind me.
I still play destiny 2, I'm just really frustrated at Bungie right now.
Destiny rising is like my fix, my bandage for the wounds of the last 6 months at D2
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u/mythic_wyatt 22h ago
Well yeah they want you to shell out money for the characters.
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u/-_Lunkan_- 18h ago
Bungie wants us to shell out money for the expansions/seasons.
Where is the fucking difference? Both require you to make good stuff so people buy it.
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u/EvergraceIII 17h ago
AND you can't even play 80% of the shit you paid for! People bitch about gatchas and mobile games preying on FOMO when Bungo wrote the fucking book on it.
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u/Curious-Hamster-5046 11h ago
weird I have them all and have spent less in it than for edge of fate.
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u/HellChicken949 1d ago
3 years of balls and destiny rising does it better in one month. I fucking despise gacha but come on man
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u/NaughtyGaymer 22h ago
destiny rising does it better in one month
Bro Destiny Rising has been in development since Shadowkeep lmao. I should fucking hope that they have some cool shit going on after over half a decade in development.
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u/SHISH_TIME 21h ago
And now imagine a game that had a whole decade and couldn't do it
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u/NaughtyGaymer 21h ago
If you cant see the enormous difference between a game that has had the privilege of being radio silent for half a decade versus the game that has to have concrete deliverables every 3 months I don't know what to tell you.
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u/splinter1545 18h ago
They don't need to have anything. The constant cycle of content just to make people play year round is exactly the problem with Destiny 2. I'd much rather take longer content droughts if it meant we can get better QoL more frequently and higher quality content. Now they basically cut back on how important the seasons are and it's biting them in the ass.
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u/notarealfakelawyer 17h ago
I’ve said this before, but Destiny 2 has also famously been in development since before Shadowkeep — and it has far more staff than Rising. “Rising has been in development for over 5 years” doesn’t absolve Bungie in the slightest.
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u/ryan8954 22h ago
I have to say this:
The term gacha is thrown way too hard at this game.
You don't have to spend a cent. The campaign is nice and long, all the extra activities afterwards. There's a training ground so you can try new characters. There's a currency you get "Lumia leafs" for just basically doing anything in the game, and you can use those for draws, and the game is very very generous on getting you heroes.
The 5 star characters, as lot of people don't use them even. They stick with the main character.
Even if you "run out of daily energy" (which I haven't found out how to do yet), there is still a TON of stuff you can do/grind to keep levelling up.
The realm of ix mode is amazing and puts destiny 2 to shame. The gambit mode is addictive and puts destiny 2 to shame. Some of the missions are actually very cinematic and rival the almighty mission in d2.
It scratched such a good itch. There's a fun card game (basic yugioh style if you played it), fishing, sparrow leagues, onslaught...
It's honestly ridiculous what you get for not spending a dime and it's better than d2 in a lot of ways.
I spent 30 bucks for the battlepass/founders bundle, I got 30 bucks worth of enjoyment out of the game, and I haven't even unlocked everything yet.
The only downside is PvP. Nobody will play PvP because it's reused maps, and it forces you to play third person to have a chance.
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u/Fenota 22h ago
The term gacha is thrown way too hard at this game.
It has character pull mechanics with real money involved, it's gacha.
There is nothing inherently bad about the term, it's the definition.
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u/ryan8954 22h ago
No I mean in the way people use it towards this game. "oh you can't do anything unless u spend money". Which is definitely not true in this game
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u/-_Lunkan_- 18h ago
You can see who has experience in gacha games and who doesn't.
They all start fairly generous at the launch. A couple banners down the line you will have to decide if you skip this character or not to save up pulls.
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u/Halo_cT 22h ago
That's awesome that they launched like that. But it's worth noting that these games are often very generous at launch and then once people are invested stuff starts getting more and more P2W. Hell even in Destiny we were told Eververse would be one thing and its slowly become something else entirely (buy season rank and exclusive weapons).
To think that Netease isnt going to do the same thing (if not much worse) in the coming year is naive.
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u/VVenture2 11h ago
Yeah I understand how much stuff Destiny Rising does well, but people keep shilling for the games’ monetisation system knowing full well that one year from now the game will be far more P2W than it currently is.
Gacha knows how to boil the frog. They also know there’s tons of addicted shills on the internet who (when the game inevitably cranks up the grind and P2W aspects) will swap to ‘Well it’s Gacha! What did you expect??’ even if they’re the same people who right now are saying ‘Gacha isn’t bad!’
The real tragedy of this whole thing is that a soulless gachaslop game with poor art/voice direction and the most focus tested generic characters possible is going to outperform Bungie solely because Bungie are an incredibly lazy studio.
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u/Cr4zyC4t 18h ago
Its fine to be cautious about it, but I don't think future penny pinching invalidates the systems in the game. The fact is that Rising has a lot of game modes that Destiny players have asked for for years and Bungie has never delivered on. Regardless of how the rest of the game is handled, that's sure to leave a bad taste in any long-term player's mouth.
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u/ryan8954 22h ago
I didn't say that. There's no doubt you'll run into people who have stuff that they paid for. But honestly, if you just grind, if you're used to rng in d1 you'll be fine here.
And from what I've seen, the PvP modes that have power enabled, nobody plays anyways.
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u/Malevolent_ce 23h ago
Warlock being the "Summoner" class but not really having summons is very funny.
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u/Slugedge 23h ago
I will say having the buddies be little energy balls is cool when they stick up and orbit one another, but that rarely ever happens unless you really try so having cool animal like summons would be awesome. Crazy how destiny rising understands how the light and lightbearers work better than bungie
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u/Isrrunder 21h ago
"Crazy how destiny rising understands how the light and lightbearers work better than bungie"
[Are you sure about that](Will-o'-the-wisp - Wikipedia https://share.google/UQAsRCBBsGEJAzMh6)
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u/Riparian72 1d ago
I feel like threadlings would have looked like bugs if they committed to the warlock super turning you into a spider and shot them out
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u/LikeAPwny 23h ago
Been saying for sooo long the balls would be so much better and cooler if given actual forms and animations. Costs to much money or creativity for them i guess.
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u/c1nderh3lm 23h ago
Have to give credit gacha games for always having cool abilities for their characters
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u/Geraltpoonslayer 22h ago
The lead devs and C suite better feel embarrassed in how many ways destiny rising a mobile game is showing up and outdoing destiny 2. It better lit a fire under their ass to improve their game but who am I kidding.
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u/engineeeeer7 22h ago
Damn that looks cooler than any new Warlock ability except maybe Song of Flame.
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u/Mr__Maverick 19h ago
This is the issue I had with Hellion initially, and people ridiculed me for it.
Arc soul: sentient turret that follows you around
Stasis: turret that lingers in one place
Threadings: w o r m s
The c h i l d: chased down targets and sucked on them
Hellion isn't really special. Change it to blue and its essentially the same as Arc Soul. The only real difference is the mortar-like trajectory which really only fucks you over if there happens to be something in the way
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u/Menirz Ares 1 Project 17h ago
Estela's summons are pretty basic - essentially just Shank AIs applied to an allied unit that have a bit more of a swarming tendency because of their short attack range.
That said, it feels phenomenal with her kit. The way you can manage your energy to get stronger tier ones, the talent upgrade that has them turn into kamakazi drones when they expire, the fact that they teleport to enemies you mark with corruption, and then the aesthetic of the fish/pouka summons & dragon turret ultimate do something that the generic blob buddies can't even compete with.
If brood weaver played threadlings in a vaguely similar way to Estela, it'd be fantastic.
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u/apotaytoe 23h ago
I knew i was right to skip Gwen. Debuff summoner warlock is like right up my alley.
I've been having more fun on rising than d2 rn which is sad. Rising ha trash stamina system, gacha, and all that, but with the looming power reset at least rising feels like any gains I make whole grinding don't just vanish on a whim.
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u/Leviathan7414 1h ago
That’s the beauty of Gatcha games, they don’t make anything worse because they don’t want to invalidate a character you might’ve spent money on.
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u/notislant 22h ago
I dont think those 5 interns still working on destiny 2 are going to push any new content.
Its not so much 'we're out of ideas' for bungo. Its 'we dont want to put any time, money or effort into this game anymore.'
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u/J_Chambers The Dark Tower 20h ago
Said exactly this in the trailer post and had someone telling me they are not balls but will'o'whisps and it makes sense cause these creatures are tied to light...like yeah whatever but they are still lazy ass designs.
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u/LordSinestro 19h ago
Bungie Warlock ability design: draw a circle, color it purple, dark blue, orange or light blue. Make it attack enemies in sight, and done.
Now it's too late and we're stuck with these lame ass orb abilities on D2 for who knows how long because shit, we don't even get new abilities outside of major dlc releases.
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u/Izenthyr 7h ago
What’s the excuse for the ball summons? Visual noise? Engine limitations? Laziness? Too afraid to make one class look cooler?
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u/MechaGodzilla101 4h ago
Bungie knows Buddies are lame af, otherwise NPC Warlocks in cutscenes and lore would actually use them.
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u/Rhapstar 22h ago
You see the problem with Destiny 2 is that they want us to feel inferior always. Rising though is selling us on fun and power. If you spend money you can become godlike
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u/RussianThere Dragonslayer 22h ago
Nah, not even if you spend money. You can play the campaign on the “main” character and level up for free easily as you go. And you can go back And play content you over leveled, and you can feel the difference. It’s crazy feeling powerful again in Destiny
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u/Jatmahl 22h ago
Can Bungie just allow NetEase to put this on consoles? I really dont want to play this on my phone or PC.
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u/Leviathan7414 1h ago
It’s so clean on PC it’s insane. The emulator has UW support for goodness sake.
Ultra settings at UW at 120fps+, plays SO SMOOTH.
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u/Squatting-Turtle Praise the Sun 21h ago edited 21h ago
i like summons but i liked the buddies originally because it was the only way as a warlock that i could feel like one constantly because of the high uptime.
If i could cast magic with my hands instead constantly if like that a lot. You wouldnt be able to shoot gun a the same time of course.
Personally i think only strand needs to have that creature like vibe with its threadlings. That character from rising does look neat though. I think most of the turrets in D2 are boring though yes, not very imaginative aside from child of old gods.
Sorry for so many edits lol.
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u/NukeLuke1 18h ago
Ok but like, they don't do anything but shoot some extra damage at the enemies that the player is shooting at. That's just an arc buddy but with a more overdesigned visual lmao can we be so fr here
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u/TheSweetGeni 17h ago
They also reworked well of radiance to a somewhat balanced super. You have to choose health OR damage before casting, you don’t get both. Now idk if they stack since tan-2 is a 5star and I haven’t been in a fireteam with two of them. But still a cool idea for a fix to a super that has crippled the other subclasses on warlock.
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u/RussianThere Dragonslayer 12h ago
You can also actively switch them post-cast, or supplement the damage well with healing Tan’s healing ability. Instead of just casting Well, you can actively manage healing.
Plus the “healing rift” is castable like a grenade.
Plus the damage ability is good
They made Well actually fun
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u/smashiko 14h ago
the fact that d rising launched its season 1 in like a day after ash and iron is quite hilarious as well
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u/Leviathan7414 1h ago
Bungie pushed back their epic raid because it was launching the same week as Rising’s heroic raid and they didn’t want to be so blantantly overshadowed LMAO.
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u/360GameTV 7h ago
Dungeon keys should never have existed and should have been history long ago. Another very stupid idea from Bungie that only served to further divide players and cause frustration.
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u/rodentmaster S.G.A. R.I.P. 6h ago
In an FPS shooter that's useless to compare. The little time warp, the moving cameras, etc? Nonsense for a FPS like D2. Guess what you're going to see? None of that. From your perspective, your "camera view" you'll see much of the same thing you see now, a bolt shooting out of you and into the target. It's over in 0.2 seconds and you've forgotten what you even saw because you're onto the next 20 bolts you've fired since that moment.
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u/RussianThere Dragonslayer 2h ago
They’re both FPS games. Yes this is a trailer with stylized shots (just like what Bungie and every other dev does), but the takeaway is that the summons are more than just blobs of energy.
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u/Earthserpent89 YOU HAD TO BE THERE 3h ago
NetEase is pulling an Obsidian Entertainment (Fallout New Vegas) with how badly they're upstaging Bungie in thier own franchise.
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u/code_xyster 15h ago
This type of combat ability design looks like a whole generation ahead of what we got in d2. Sad.
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u/BokChoyFantasy 22h ago
To be honest, I prefer the blobs over little creatures. It’s just less distracting for me.
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u/Magenu 23h ago
That gameplay looks so bad once you strip out the fancy SFX.
No movement, no weight, barely any enemies, flat environments and lighting, somehow more dumb AI than D2...yeesh.
But in any case, that looks more like a powered melee with a fancy skin on it. Hell, matter morph looks fundamentally similar.
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u/FinalForerunner 22h ago
I mean the actual gameplay is fun, it feels worse than D2 physics wise but it’s a mobile game so my expectations are tempered. It still feels like Destiny to me.
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u/Leviathan7414 1h ago
You very clearly didn’t play the game because you’re wrong on everything lmao.
It’s ok to accept that a gacha game is better.
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u/Kernal_Sanders 1d ago
No thanks. I want my little orb buddies
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u/KamenRiderW0lf 23h ago
Counterargument: What if every class could use the orb buddies and Warlock had this more advanced summoner build like the example?
I love the orb buddies too and I think it's something Bungie could build on. We're missing that fun, niche build style like Warmind Cells were, and that lack of fun and interesting play styles is what I feel contributes to the slow death of the game.
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u/cry_w 23h ago
I'd rather Warlock keep something unique to them, thank you.
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u/MechaGodzilla101 22h ago
An autonomous shoulder turret is the last thing that should be Warlock's unqiue trait.
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u/PomeloFull4400 23h ago
Do this, and sell us creature "buddy" skins in eververse.. I'll take that compromise.
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u/Isrrunder 21h ago
You guys need to look into mythology more. Do none of you know about wisps? Will'o'the'wisp is one of the greatest folklore creatures ever. Literally elemental spirits meant to guide travelers down a path of their desire. That's in a way their role in the game aswell. They guide warlocks down the path they by making it through our enemies. A perfect combination of the mythology of the wisps and how guardians make their own fate. They might not be as flashy, but there simply isnt a better way light companions could manifest
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u/APartyInMyPants 23h ago
I’ve always wanted to stack up how many buddies I can have at once. Prismatic Bleakwatcher with Hellion. No Time To Explain and then I stand in an Arc Warlocks rift for Arc Souls. And then the kicker. Throw on Briarbinds and see if I can collect a Voidwalker’s Child of the Old Gods.
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u/Lost_Organization190 21h ago
We need a third darkness subclass. With the warlock one being summon focused. necromancy would be dope af
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u/MechaGodzilla101 4h ago
We already have a summoner subclass, it just sucks ass. No need for the next subclass to be the same shit.
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u/Lost_Organization190 4h ago
Is the summoner class in the room with us?
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u/MechaGodzilla101 4h ago
The attempt at one is, so there's no reason to believe the next will be better if this one has been dead for two years.
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u/ballsmigue 12h ago
This game isn't constrained by the boring bungie formula we've grown used to.
And thats why its going to excel.
The Destiny killer was always Destiny in the end.
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u/cry_w 23h ago edited 23h ago
Umm... that's essentially what we already have with the turret summons and threadlings... we actually have more variety in terms of summons. They are also more fitting in appearance due to us commanding and shaping elemental forces. Having a ball of magma become a mortar is cool, having ball lightning shoot alongside us is cool, having a black hole you can direct towards your enemies is cool, etc.
Honestly, some of those abilities that character has look neat presentation wise, but it doesn't fit a Warlock.
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u/Phantom-Break 23h ago
Honestly baffling how Bungie made a new Firebird sprite for Song of Flame and Hellion in the same expansion, yet decided to make Hellion just another ball