South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA

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Why does this get associated with the far-right?

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It's dishonest. It's the equivalent of me going into the Appalachian region of America and portraying them as being representative of the state of all white people in America and that they are all oppressed because Obama is the president and because America has affirmative action. It's just as dishonest as using a photo of dog attack victims and claiming they were victims of farm attacks.

The people behind the documentary are known neo Nazis and white supremacists who are part of the global white supremacist movement. They currently have a campaign going on targeting South Africa.

The people featured in the documentary are also known white supremacists and white separatists who choose to live separate) from other South Africans. Volksteun is a Front National project. They weren't forced to live the way they do and their ideology is still the same as what they had during Apartheid. There' a long list of far right white separatist and neo Nazi groups in South Africa that have been active since Apartheid: AWB, Front National, Die Suidlanders, Boere Beskermings Forum, Geloftevolk Republikeine, die Verkenners etc.

It's not an honest portrayal of either poverty in the white community or of poverty in South African in general.

In South Africa today uneducated whites still earn more than university educated blacks.

At top management level, 68.5% of positions are occupied by white South Africans which is more than six times their economically active population

Most whites in SA still earn 6 times more than blacks

Whites have the lowest unemployment of all racial groups, lower than most European countries.

White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

In 2016, 71 people were murdered on farms. This includes all people, irrespective of race, whether they owned the farms, were employed on the farms, or just passing through. It also includes smallholdings, which are mostly inhabited by black people and far more numerous than the large farms owned by white South Africans. 810,000 people in South Africa work on farms. Note that the vast majority of these people are black. That's a murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000. This is more than 3 times lower than the general murder rate of 34.4 per 100,000 - and we're not even talking about white farmers, we're talking about every single person who was killed on a farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Dan Kriek, the president of Agri SA, the country's largest and most influential agricultural organisation, has debunked Afriforum's whitewashed statistics.

Crime doesn't recognise colour. For example, in the Free State we have had 58 farm attacks this year with four murders: two black and two white. We need to be honest about (crime) statistics and not only use it when it suits us.

The fake "white genocide" narrative relies on statistics from Afriforum that originate with the Transvaal Agricultural Union who don't split victims by race, yet right-wing news outlets take them and say that they were all white.

Just a few days ago a black-owned farm was attcked and burned down but the internet was abuzz with white genocide claims relating to it.

Farm murders of all races have been declining for the last 20 years and are half what they were 20 years ago.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

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I'm a white South African. But I'm in the fire service and work mainly amongst the poor black populations. This perfectly sums up how I feel about all these bullshit claims.

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German here. Fuck you. Seriously. You equate some asshole being mean on twitter with the holocaust.

Guess what: We currently have a nazi party back in parliament. And I could spam this entire post here with Twitter excerpts of AFD candidates that want to "fight back the muslim invasion".

Do you think that this does in any way shape or from reflect reality? When a dumbass on twitter talks bullshit? Grow up. You have to guts to lecture people who actually live in those countries you talk about, how their lives should be according to your close minded ass.

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Thank you for your work brother.

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I knew there was something fishy when I saw the text "by the concerned Swedish Public". Like what? I'm concerned?

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White supremacists are really unfair to you Swedes. Somehow you are both the perfect keepers of white goodness and cucked weaklings helping the inferior races infiltrate Europe at the same time.

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I don't expect objective or intelligent treatment from <insert color here> supremacists.

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Then you haven't met the blue supremacists. We're totally gonna smurf you on your smurf.

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Ancap supremacists totally makes sense though.

If it ain't Ayn Rand, it's boring and bland.

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Are you ok with people using your post as a copy-pasta for all the South African posts that are going to start in the next few months? I've been noticing a trend that there's a few actual South Africaners or people that are knowledgeable about the actual situation there. South Africa has problems and some of them are of the historical-racial component. There is no "mayocide" going on, even in Zimbabwe where things did not go well. This idea is pure alt-right nazi fucks stirring the pot.

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I mean lots of his sources lead to dead links...And he basically white washing a situation. His 8.9 murder rate article... All of its links are dead and go no where. so his source has no sources.

White farmers are being targetted politically.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bchttp://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

And there are indeed leaders in the SA government making ominous messages about killing all whites in SA.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2125721/violent-crime-against-white-south-african-farmers-threatens-reopen <-- "In 2012, President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

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Look at that accounts post history. It's almost assuredly a bough account. Owned by a PR company pushing a narrative. Most likely it was vote manipulated and gilded by itself. But to be fair many of the extreme left morons on this site will read those blue links telling them what they want to hear and not even click on them.

The morons then go to spout those "facts" elsewhere.

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Yes.

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Im sure yuou are considering your sources lead to dead links...

Or that you miss attributed the BBC article to debunking white genocide. When it states that it can neither prove nor disprove those allegations.

And your Dan kriek article offers not numbers or sources either.

But you sure just enjoyed happilly stating how conclusive they were using formatting and hiding the URL's and headlines now didnt you?

I can do it too. Proof the earth is flat

You are everything that is wrong with reddit you spin job hack.

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I'm pretty right by Reddit standards, but thank you. We need a dose of reality and actual data if we are going to advance as a country.

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Thank you. We shouldn't allow these people to divide us. We all need each other.

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Mayocide. No Genocide was attempted during the 40s...it was Matzocide you see. and when people killed Tibetans from chi a that was just riceocide...not real killings of people who are different...they are silly condiments. when I say "kill all mustard yellows" I only mean Koreans...not Singapore or china or Japan or viet...just those dirty mustards

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"Mayocide"

Where you at /r/againsthatesubreddits?

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Yoh seeing all this misinformation about South Africa's situation has really been getting me down, it's cheered me up so much to read this comment. Will definitely be parroting off some of these sources by the end of the week I'm sure.

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Thank you for providing all these statistics. I appreciate the focus on facts and not emotions. Just curious - what is your viewpoint towards school shootings in U.S., equally overblown?

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Amen

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Fucking thank you.

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Thank you so much for your comment. I live in SA, and know way too many white South Africans who believe in or believe in aspects of this 'reversed apartheid'/'white genocide' nonsense.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrrlLQFbVOs

"we are not calling for the slaughter of white people... for now" smiles with extra large grin as the crowd laughs and goes wild clapping.

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I seriously can't comprehend why people downvote video evidence of a politician eluding to genocide. Oh wait, yes I can, it's because it doesn't fit the narrative spoon fed to them by CNN.

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I don't understand why are you being sarcastic? This is an elected member of parliament. He is a representative of what? hundreds of thousands of people? And they all want to see a slaughter.

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TY for helping clear things up!

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He didnt though... his comment is shit.

His 8.9% article leads to an article with all dead links for its sources.

His BBC article states it can neither confirm nor deny wether white farmers are being targetted.

His Dan Kriek article has no sources or figures either...no data what so ever.

What? Did you actually read any of it?

His economic stats check out. but what? its ok to murder whites if they make more than you? is that the takeaway?

And if ya want proof the government is targetting whites hell I havve 3 links that actually WORK.

White farmers are being targetted politically.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bchttp://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

And there are indeed leaders in the SA government making ominous messages about killing all whites in SA.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2125721/violent-crime-against-white-south-african-farmers-threatens-reopen <-- "In 2012, President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

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This needs to be higher 👆

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It really doesn't, read his sources... he's full of shit. I've debunked it in my other comment... Please don't just agree with someone because it fits your narrative.

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There is a reason Reddit comments are much better than YouTube comments.

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Dear god, the amount of rightwing astroturfing in this thread is unbelievable.

"I'm pretty liberal, but let me perfectly parrot rightwing talking points while poisoning the well against being called on it."

Thank you for taking the time to put together a post with all these links for those of us who were losing our sanity looking through here.

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White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

his "source" leads to an article with more "sources" that are all dead links...

Also, his BBC article doesnt debunk any murder rates it simply states it can neither confirm nor deny them.

His Dan Kriek article also offers zero figures actually. So its Dan Kriek yells at cloud basically.

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Why does this get associated with the far-right?

It's dishonest.

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Thank you. I was already very skeptical after watching the first 5 minutes. At first I was worried that even if the portrayed situation is true, white supremacists will surely use it to their advantage to bolster a sentiment that things used to be better.

The 'concerned Swedish public' thing seemed particularly fishy. Then they glanced over the history of apartheid for only a minute and used some surprisingly weak language. "Was not a complete democracy". "Some groups were excluded". Really, that's how they describe it? They make it sound like it was an inconvenience, rather than a grave injustice. And then they instantly turn to how it affects white people.

It only took about 2 minutes to find statistics through Google that clash with the message of this documentary and that seem a lot more trustworthy. Fortunately you went a lot deeper and explained very well why this documentary should not be taken at face value. People really ought to be more skeptical.

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All his murder rate sources lead to dead links. You can lick on the article but all that articles sources are no where...takes me to facebook thats a good sign.

Secondly, his BBC article just states it can neither confirm nor deny the numbers or whites being killed.

His Dan Kriek article offers no sources or numbers either.

This guy got 1000 upvvotes and gilded twice for an absolute shit spin job himself.

White farmers are being targetted politically.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bchttp://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

And there are indeed leaders in the SA government making ominous messages about killing all whites in SA.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2125721/violent-crime-against-white-south-african-farmers-threatens-reopen <-- "In 2012, President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

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As a white South African, thank God at least someone is speaking some sense. Can't describe how angry it makes me to see fascists try to "defend" us for political purposes.

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Fascists are obsessed with you guys nowadays

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The majority of reddit is indistinguishable from /pol at this point.

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Mate I love you for this and need to buy you a beer

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Thank you for bringing the receipts. A Reverse Apartheid?? Really??? What bullshit. Apartheid was a full integrated, state-sanctioned, legal system specifically designed to discriminate against and denigrate the original occupiers of the land on which white people arrived. This is not a reverse apartheid.

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Yah, its all just made up. Couple good articles on it.

White farmers are being targetted politically.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bchttp://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

And there are indeed leaders in the SA government making ominous messages about killing all whites in SA.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2125721/violent-crime-against-white-south-african-farmers-threatens-reopen <-- "In 2012, President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

Also the source in his 8.9 murder rate...yah that link works. but all the links to the sourfces from that article dont... Takes me to facebook actually...thats a good sign. Good thing he got 1000 upvotes and gilded twice...

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This exactly! I am not comfortable with how loosely people are using the term now, yes there are some questionable practices going on in South Africa, but to say apartheid in reverse knowing the actual racial segregation and oppression that happened and altered the lives of every person in the country during apartheid is insanely insensitive.

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"original" occupiers? Learn your sa history mate.

[u/Comnena → u/ilikepies9001]

If you know something the anthropological community doesn't about how various indigenous African societies have not in fact lived in the South Africa region for thousands of years prior to the arrival of Europeans then I don't know why you're announcing it here on Reddit, you should be preparing your paper for academic journals quick smart!

Or, if what you are implying is that the Boer and British colonisation of South Africa is exempt from the moral issues associated with colonialism because the people who lived in the South African geographical region at various points throughout history have changed due to internal migrations and power struggles, and therefore the migration of European settlers is in some way equivalent to these internal social changes and the people who lived their prior have no claim to their land or an expectation of being treated as anything other than one more set of interlopers able to be forced out by the next bunch of people who come along, then I think we both know that is not true.

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It seems like you are not aware of the fact that the blacks living in and running SA today isn't the original people of those lands. Learn some history mate. The blacks there today came from tribes from the north in the 1600s at the same time as the Boer came and looked to settle unoccupied lands which they did from the south. Then they met each other at a river

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The blacks there today came from tribes from the north in the 1600s at the same time as the Boer came and looked to settle unoccupied lands which

Complete rubbish, Bantu tribes have been in South Africa for almost 2000 years. In reality, when the first Europeans arrived in the Cape, the region to which we now refer as South Africa was a patch work of different ethnicities: Bantu groups were dominant in the Limpopo and KZN areas, whilst Khoisan were dominant in the Cape. In between these two areas, lines were more blurred, and the genetics less distinct.

The most genetically undiluted Khoisan were effectively wiped out by the European settlers via conflict and dispossession of their lands, and (something which is so often overlooked) disease - something like 90% wiped out by smallpox [See this for more detail].

What followed was 200 years of East/Northward expansion, and conflict with the indiginous Bantu speaking peoples who predominated outside the Cape. Tribes who had already been in that region for centuries.

Only a small part of South Africa was ever 'unoccupied', and that was for a brief time and mainly because Dutch settlers had wiped out the locals (albeit with disease doing the heavy lifting).

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I don't think Boers went to SA 25,000 years ago.

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Finally an actually sourced, well-written post. I was about to do something similar myself, thanks for saving me the trouble. Not that any of that stops reddits' uninformed racists upvoting the dumb shit.

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All his murder rate sources lead to dead links. You can lick on the article but all that articles sources are no where...takes me to facebook thats a good sign.

Secondly, his BBC article just states it can neither confirm nor deny the numbers or whites being killed.

His Dan Kriek article offers no sources or numbers either.

This guy got 1000 upvvotes and gilded twice for an absolute shit spin job himself.

White farmers are being targetted politically. And there are indeed leaders in the SA government making ominous messages about killing all whites in SA.

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2125721/violent-crime-against-white-south-african-farmers-threatens-reopen <-- "In 2012, President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

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Why are you linking the same news article in your comment 3 times?

If you really want to know about the bill you're linking you should read your article, firstly this was the first time the bill has been brought up in parliament, it will take 1+ year plus to come into affect if it goes through as planned (it wont). Secondly this bill was suggested by the extreme leftist EFF party, they only poll around 6% of the vote, no-one really knows if the ANC will support this bill right to the very end because it is seem as extreme by people within the ANC. Lastly the bill would need to have a constitutional change in order to pass it, they are creating a committee to meet on this and will report back in August. This is extremely hard to do and is why many people think this bill will amount to nothing and is just being supported by the ANC to win over less radical EFF voters.

The quote from Zuma is useless because he is not in power anymore, he never supported the EFF when they called for this kind of thing before, him singing a apartheid era song says nothing...

And again your last quote is from the leader of the EFF party, they are small compared to the ANC and DA and have little influence in the day to day politics however the ANC have endorsed him on this particular issue.

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This article analyzes the theory on the genocide of White South Africans https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/ South Africa has never been so safe for whites - and blacks - and there is no evidence white farmers are killed at an higher rate than non-white farmers.

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So glad to see this comment here. I had uneasy feelings about the tone of the video. It started when the first black man we saw was during the narrator talking about the orphan's abuse, and then when they started discussing Europe being overrun by Muslims...

Glad I didn't waste anymore time on this.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/856hzq/south_africa_a_reversed_apartheid_2018_a/dvvz70a/

Thanks you. You're absolutely correct. I'm glad I'm not the only one calling this out.

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This was remarkably informative, thank you

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Post this as a top level comment and edit in the link for us. This is what we need to know.

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Thank you. This SA story is the latest in far right disruption tactics.

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Can someone get this on best of?

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THANK YOU

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OMG. Thank you so much for this.

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So you point to three employment statistics. Shocking whites seek employment more and thus make more.

You're murder rate statistic is laughable. The sources on you "source" go fucking no where you disgusting prick. I wonder how many people even bothered to check.

Then you point to one black farmer whose farm was burned down. Not raped, tortured and murdered. No the black farmer just got their farm burned down.

I notice you failed to mention the passage of white farmlands being taken from the white owners? And you also happily didn't mention any of the rhetoric of genocide which is being used in SA politics for years.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

And I'll havve to hunt it up but im pretty sure the prime minister of SA a year ago said "we are not calling for the genocide of whites, yet..." But to be fair I don't want to post any bullshit sources like you have. Nor do I want to assert something I have no proof of. Unlike you. But if memory serves that is indeed a qoute verbatim from the head of the SA government.

Thank goodness you were upvoted 1,000 times and gilded twice. While your shoveling lies about the lack of genocide in SA.

EDIT: Was incorrect indeed on genocdie of whites qoute. Wasn't SA that was probably Mugabe in Zimbabwe. https://www.news24.com/Africa/Zimbabwe/white-farmers-killers-should-not-be-prosecuted-mugabe-declares-20170815

EDIT 2: Nope was a SA government official after all http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

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This is why I always have issues trusting documentaries with ties to right wing groups. Somewhere, there is always disinformation and skewing of facts to cater to people's fear and paranoia.

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Lol it isn't right wing groups sadly. Very hard to trust literally anything at this point. Have any point of view and you can now find evidence to support it. We are in the age of information but 80% is skewed or downright untrue. See that statistic is bullshit but someone will read it and will then source me in some argument they have tomorrow and who knows where it will go.

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This guys comment is full of bullshit as well.

His 8.9% article all of its sourcces lead to dead links.

His BBC article just says it can neither prove nor disprove the allegations.

And his gotta be kidding himself if hes pretending the government of SA is not at the least uncaring of the murder of whites.

White farmers are being targetted politically.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bchttp://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

And there are indeed leaders in the SA government making ominous messages about killing all whites in SA.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2125721/violent-crime-against-white-south-african-farmers-threatens-reopen <-- "In 2012, President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

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Thanks for this, I wish you could post this up in /r/southafrica - that sub flogs this kind of crap all the time.

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Hero! Thank you. I strongly suspected it and you had the facts. You deserve the internet.

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Well done

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Thank you for this. Much appreciated!

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What is of great concern on farm attacks is the sheer brutality. If one commits a robbery a few M.Os are common: get in, take as much of what is valuable as possible, get out as soon as possible. A side effect if you are more brazen - kill witnesses. What is the concern is that rape, torture and execution is the center stage of the attacks with theft as the secondary motive, with time on the scene in many cases aren't of concern. The victims of the brutality is mostly whites while blacks get killed/hurt in a more fitting way of a robbery M.O. Where the conspiracy theory start is when Police Commissioners and ministers generally write of the secondary motive as the primary. This is the space where the likes of Afriforum gets oxygen from.

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Jesus tits, why isn't this comment higher? Guess the Trump brigade is out in full force after that Cambridge Analytica documentary dropped, eh?

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This comment needs to be higher.

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Very interesting coment, thank you

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Thanks for this! Very detailed!

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So I don't know really anything about this except for what you've shared, so I dunno if this is a stupid question or not: Why are there so many killings on farms?

A farm seems like a pretty... I dunno... boring, normal place, doesn't it?

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Farms have a lot of wealth relative to their surroundings. They're also isolated and make for good targets. And I'm not going to pretend like racial resentment has no effect on the way that they can escalate. But it's mainly the first two, and we see that with more and more black farmers who are also the victims of attacks.

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Thank you, our local subreddit r/southafrica loves doccies like this. And if you try to argue you are being accused of minimizing farm attacks and practicing reverse apartheid, even though I’m also white. Apparently being tagged as a SJW also gives you leprosy.

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/u/korvasoka

PLS READ

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Serious question: Are you Jewish?

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Good points generally. The murder rate of white people living on farms is still 3 times as high as the murder rate of urban white people, which would be the comparable benchmark. And since you know the stats so well - what is the likelyhood of a white person being murdered by a black person vs a black person being murdered by a white person?

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How does "the state of all [South African] whites" have any impact or baring at all on the lives of the white SA's shown in this documentary?

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This won't get noticed, but others cited your comment as a total debunk of everything, so i comment it here too. Maybe somebody sees it, and reads it. There is no tldr, because it debunks your points one by one and if you don't read it trough, and actually watch / read the sources, it is not even worth to start. Have fun.

First of all i'll link this, because probably nobody will even try to read this trought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llP1o4AB0AM

Yall won't read it through because of laziness, and because it hurts your ideological belives.

You can link it like 100 times more, it still does not stand for anything.

First it's a link to a "fake attack". Yeah, whatever there was a pic lurking on the net, that was fake. This does not mean that other attacks, and pics are not real. This is pure bullshit, he tries to debunk the whole thing just by "exposing" a fake picture, what can be easily do by rightclick + google search.

Second link is from media matters. Thank you but that site is far left propaganda, and if you think it's creditable source, than i'll link shit like that too. The article is pure shit too. It's on the basis, that if you are not far left leaning, and blindly following their agenda: then you are a far right, extremist, nazi, bigot, hurr durr, whatever namecalling. Name calling is a effective propagandist tool FYI.

All the article does, is try to attack a few right leaning person / journalist in the basis of "global white supremacist movement". What is that even? All that happened is that there was claims of farm attacks are on the rising, and no mainstream media picked up the story. The 2 chick went there, and listened the farmers. Now they are "nazis" for that.

After that there come some REALLY BROAD and bold claims that everybody there is white supremacist. Let's see the facts:

• AWB (REAL, actual nazis): membership: 5000

• Front National party (somewhat far righters): The last election they got the votes 0.03% what makes exactly 5,138.

• Die Suidlanders: defensive org, who prepare for the worst: civil war. The actual and open genocide of whites in SA. Evacuation plans, drills, and defense.

• Boere Beskermings Forum: eeeerm... a forum? With a link that shows an article? I don't know how is this nazi, or what even it suggest. However it looks cool in the list, and makes it bigger.

• Geloftevolk Republikeine: some almost non existent neo nazi group. Look at their website, it tells the whole story. Their leader is arrested, and jailed also.

• die Verkenners: This was harder, because almost nothing is on the internet from them in english. But on their website you can find their (2016 "congress")[http://www.verkenners.co.za/verkenner-kongres-2016/]. It was hugely supported as you can see. And the fact that you cannot find anything on them suggest that they are huge in numbers, and dangerous too. Also from the af wiki you can find something, that translates to their ideology. It's laughable if you call them nazi.

ect: if "your" list contains this much dangerous, and highly supported partys, and groups i cannot think of what more could have come.

Also have to note that in the 2014 election ~88% of afrikaners supported the Democratic Alliance party (liberal). These are the nazis and white supremacist you all talking about.

However. The real threat is the Economic Freedom Fighters party (EFF):

Membership (2014): 527,343

Votes in 2016: 1,169,259

Votes in 2018 Municipal elections: 3,202,679

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_Fighters#Violence_and_bigotry

Not that left wing ideology that yall are yelling. Or is it? Maybe it is, because it's perpetrators are blacks, and it is against white people. :thinking:

So let's summarize: we have to be afraid of some group of 5k neonazis, while we can look over the EFF that are a legitimate political party, whom inciting violence, racial hatred, bigotry, while they are gaining MASSIVE support. Oh and the fun part comes here: (We are not calling for the slaughter of white people...for now.)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llP1o4AB0AM] Their president looks like a fun guy.

After this point it's just statistical data about a bunch of things, that i'm just going to address in short: first of all black IQ in SA is low. (It's 77 actuall)[https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country/za-south-africa]. Just to give you some context: 84 is border retardation in clinical terms. This is just a fun fact, i'm not going to read anything else into it, altho you can.

He cites statistics on crime, while the only census on criminal statistics in SA is that you cannot trust the numbers if you read multiple sources. So i won't going to debate over numbers like that, it's pointless. The only thing i'm going to say is that it's funny for me, that it's the minority (white) is the cause of every problem of theirs. While in the west all you far leftists do, is say "you cannot blame your problems on the minority" and things like that. Yall also promote the acceptance of refugees, and migrants, AND ILLEGAL immigrants. While that Australian politician, who called for the help of those people, and their immigration to Australia a racist. Do you see the hypocrisy? Or just try to talk about blacks ANYWHERE like the EFF's president do. Not as a politician person, not as a party's president. Just as a normal person. You'll probably get prosecuted, and jailed. If not, you will be personally attacked, made a media hysteria from that, and you'll loose your job for sure because you are a NAZI.

So if a white man talks like that, he is a nazi, but if a black does it, it's fine, and I AM A NAZI for thinking it's wrong. This is not even hypocrisy, this is mental gymnastics.

My next comment will come, when reports of killing whites come. You are full of shit, and if you don't condone what happens there right now then you'll see another zimbabwe.

Mic drop.

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Something for me to consider for sure. I've been watching some SA videos recently and Julius Malema and people espousing his rhetoric strikes me as dangerous and stirs up racial hatred. Of course there are imbalances but demonising a race and taking people's land is not the way to fairly create equity.

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Because the guy behind this, Jonas Nilsson, has written a book promoting anarcho-fascism. That's pretty much as far right as you can get.

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How exactly is "anarcho-fascism" supposed to work?

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Usually they're just regular anarchists but they want communes to be organized ethnically...

So anarchism but with forced segregation? I don't know how it works, it's pretty idiotic.

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Hutterites but racist, Hutterwhites.

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From a South African living here, things are getting serious. Illegal land grabs are becoming more and more common everyday. https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-03-12-land-grabs-hit-gauteng-metros/

One of the most influential politicians in South Africa, Julius Malema, has called for the mass killing of whites. https://www.reddit.com/r/southafrica/comments/823s1w/malema_quotes_from_his_public_address_this/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z5c2-Wh8KY

I see signs like this on a daily basis now while driving to work. /img/3c7obl83h2m01.jpg

Sentiment on twitter is very very anti-white to the point of celebrating the death of white people. https://twitter.com/HateCrimeSA/status/972544132932620288

Murder rates are high in South Africa, among all people. We live in a violent society. Lots of liberals say because of this white murder should be ignored. The difference is white people are targeted due to the color of their skin. This is the definition of ethnic cleansing or the start of genocide.

I was born into a free South Africa, I bought my own bit of property 3 years ago (a full 500m2) after working hard for many years and I still have many years to pay it off. To be threatened on a daily basis that I will die or lose my property is very disheartening. I know a lot of people will say its just popular rhetoric but this is enough to start something. The mass opinion is that it is more and more acceptable to murder people based on skin colour. My biggest fear is I am having a son in 3 months. a white male. Do I really want to raise him in this place? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGuObAzWyi4

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But this is not a documentary about the dangerous direction of South African politics. This is a documentary presenting a tale of white victim hood that is at odds with the facts.

I think a clear documentary presentation of current ANC politics, one that compares the different outcomes of truth and reconciliation of Mandela's ANC vs the "land reform" approach of Mugabe in Zimbabwe would be worth watching if t was really well done.

This documentary is not that. This is pure race baiting designed to stoke further conflict.

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It's becoming quite easy to spot the Russians now! I mean it.

Take an issue that divides, make it a personal story, add some emotional language, make it look logical, add details with links to pics. Bam you got what you wanted.

I have a good number of friends living in S Africa. While it's not heaven perse it's not what this guy makes it to be. If anything I hear (from urban areas) that it is relatively tolerant and getting integrated racially (at least in the universities) but crime is very high.

Hey of course you will have racial issues. What do you expect. But if you are comparing SA with Zimbabwe then you really don't know what you are talking about.

It's 2018 and we're on Reddit people be a little more "investigative" and sceptical.

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Holy shit you're delusional. Is everyone that post something you don't like a Russian now?

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i was feeling investigative and i clicked on his profile

he posts about south africa a lot for someone in russia

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One more thing, driving around Los Angeles sooner or later you can find something a long the line of "CA for the Mexicans" or in Birmingham, "Americans (or American values) first" (and by that they mean white Americans). Just because there is a picture of a truck with a slogan like this doesn't mean much.

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Liberal people tend to be more about "POC" and giving them advantages over whites, so if there's a case where white people are being persecuted or attacked many will write it off as karma for the slave trade or things like that. Especially liberals around the college age. Not saying all liberals, but out of the political groups who are in support of the genocide, liberals have the most.

I mean we literally had bridges to campus at I think Stanford blocked off by "POC" not allowing white people to cross, and the mostly liberal staff did nothing about it and punished no one.

EDIT: I stand corrected, it was UC Berkeley. I was thinking Stanford from "Disrupting Whiteness" club. Stanford also started a anthropology class called "White Identity Politics" which is reported to cover "How is a concept like white identity to be understood in relation to white nationalism, white supremacy, white privilege and whiteness?" As well as "Students will consider the perils and possibilities of different political practices, including abolishing whiteness or coming to terms with white identity.".

EDIT: THE GUY ABOVE ME CHANGED HIS COMMENT ENTIRELY, NOT SURE HOW TO LOOK UP THE OLD ONE.

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It's like when Apple's "VP of Diversity" Denise Smith was pushed out because she had the audacity to imply diversity of thought and experience was more important than meticulously ensuring your office look like a carefully coordinated bowl of skittles.

"There can be 12 white, blue-eyed, blonde men in a room and they're going to be diverse too because they're going to bring a different life experience and life perspective to the conversation,"

 

Ready for the real punchline? This is who they replaced her with.

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You've got it the wrong way in your comment - she was pushed out because she said diversity of thought was MORE important than a skittles themed office. Your quoted text verifies that.

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I'd like to think that the overall productivity and ability to produce positive outcomes (regardless of race, gender etc.) is the most important thing when running a business...

Call me crazy, right?

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Not at all crazy, and it's sad that Denise Smith was ejected due to thinking like that. And to be honest.... I'd hate to think that I was a token hire by my employer rather than my skills being valued.

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It's dishonest. It's the equivalent of me going into the Appalachian region of America and portraying them as being representative of the state of all white people in America and that they are all oppressed because Obama is the president and because America has affirmative action. It's just as dishonest as using a photo of dog attack victims and claiming they were victims of farm attacks.

The people behind the documentary are known neo Nazis and white supremacists who are part of the global white supremacist movement. They currently have a campaign going on targeting South Africa.

The people featured in the documentary are also known white supremacists and white separatists who choose to live separate) from other South Africans. Volksteun is a Front National project. They weren't forced to live the way they do and their ideology is still the same as what they had during Apartheid. There' a long list of far right white separatist and neo Nazi groups in South Africa that have been active since Apartheid: AWB, Front National, Die Suidlanders, Boere Beskermings Forum, Geloftevolk Republikeine, die Verkenners etc.

It's not an honest portrayal of either poverty in the white community or of poverty in South African in general.

In South Africa today uneducated whites still earn more than university educated blacks.

At top management level, 68.5% of positions are occupied by white South Africans which is more than six times their economically active population

Most whites in SA still earn 6 times more than blacks

Whites have the lowest unemployment of all racial groups, lower than most European countries.

White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

In 2016, 71 people were murdered on farms. This includes all people, irrespective of race, whether they owned the farms, were employed on the farms, or just passing through. It also includes smallholdings, which are mostly inhabited by black people and far more numerous than the large farms owned by white South Africans. 810,000 people in South Africa work on farms. Note that the vast majority of these people are black. That's a murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000. This is more than 3 times lower than the general murder rate of 34.4 per 100,000 - and we're not even talking about white farmers, we're talking about every single person who was killed on a farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Dan Kriek, the president of Agri SA, the country's largest and most influential agricultural organisation, has debunked Afriforum's whitewashed statistics.

Crime doesn't recognise colour. For example, in the Free State we have had 58 farm attacks this year with four murders: two black and two white. We need to be honest about (crime) statistics and not only use it when it suits us.

The fake "white genocide" narrative relies on statistics from Afriforum that originate with the Transvaal Agricultural Union who don't split victims by race, yet right-wing news outlets take them and say that they were all white.

Just a few days ago a black-owned farm was attcked and burned down but the internet was abuzz with white genocide claims relating to it.

Farm murders of all races have been declining for the last 20 years and are half what they were 20 years ago.

I could go on but I think you get the point

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Is there not a motion by the leading party to confiscate land from white farmers, just like in zimbabwe, as well as the third biggest party leader saying: "we wont come to kill you, yet." ?

I dont have to be far right or a neo nazi to be against that.

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The third biggest party isn’t that big and known for being really populist. Then the leading party is taking their agenda so that they can’t make violent actions with regards to it . The word confiscate is never used, but just google ramaphosa on land redistribution and you’ll find some better articles.

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That's the first result I found under those search terms. I agree it doesnt say 'confiscation' but 'land redistribution' means the same thing. They want to take land from some group of people and give it to another. And the reason they give is 'original sin' and 'historical injustices'. If that doesnt sound like how you treat 2nd class citizens, i dont know what does. It's exactly how laws against jews were justified.

And something personal, my mothers cousin and their husband were recently murdered on their property (they ran a hotel), a month before they were set to permanently leave for new zealand, following their daughter, who moved there to "escape the growing danger of SA". So when people claim there is no real danger for white people in SA I'm a little sceptical.

"CAPE TOWN - President Cyril Ramaphosa vowed on Wednesday to "escalate the pace" of redistributing land.

Land ownership is a sensitive subject in South Africa, and Ramaphosa warned the issue would "implode" unless it was addressed quickly.

"We must -- given the history we have had -- work with urgency to significantly and sustainably escalate the pace of land reform," Ramaphosa told parliament.

"If we do not do so, this problem that has stayed with us as a nation for hundreds of years… will implode in our hands.

"This is the historic task that we have as South Africans to address this question once and for all."

Land reform is set to be a key battleground in the 2019 general election, and the radical Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) opposition party has encouraged supporters to seize property.

But Ramaphosa warned against illegal occupation.

"We cannot have a situation where we allow land grabs because that is anarchy," he said. "We will not allow land grabs, we will not allow land invasions."

The ANC has backed expropriation of land without compensation, and lawmakers last month backed a motion that could lead to constitutional changes over land reform.

Ramaphosa is seen as a pro-business reformist after Jacob Zuma's graft-tainted rule.

But he must also boost support among ANC grassroot voters after years of declining election results for the party.

Describing land dispossession as South Africa's "original sin", Ramaphosa said he was committed "to a comprehensive land reform programme that corrects the historical injustices of land dispossession". "

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I’m Sorry about your family loss. By no Means do I condone any violence, and I am very sorry to have heard of this. You have my condolences, and there is no reasonable person who would condone such actions.

this issue isn’t as simple as just taking land and giving it to another. There is an option to lease land being implemented as well. But, on to your conception of it simply being taking land from on group and giving it to another, being analogous to the justification of Anti-Semitic laws of, i assume, Nazi Germany. This analogy of the justification being the same as antisemite law justification is tenuous at best. Would you really compare the apartheid system of class and race to that of prehitler Germany? The same system that forcibly removed people from homes and into slums? The justification for this land act isn’t the same scenario. Wouldn’t you say there needs to some form of redress being done? And that it should be done by a government that isn’t interested in mass populist violent actions? You might say this is a racialized policy aimed at addressing social inequity and therefore it must be racist and problematic. However, shouldn’t we consider how inextricably ties race is to class in South Africa? Wouldn’t any policy on addressing this problem thereby have a racial aspect? Redistribution isn’t the same as confiscation, as confiscation implies a mass removal of land redistribution doesn’t mean that entire plots of land are removed and homes displaced entirely; with people left without any land at all. And wouldn’t you say that if there was no attention to this at all, and radical parties were left to incite violence, eventually a conflict would erupt, and that this land act is trying to prevent this scenario?

Furthermore, it seems that a large portion of the land in question isn’t actually being used. Last week there was a case I read about in the Cape Times where a black family was attacked by a white farmer and his friends “on patrol”. They ran over the father and shot at his wife and son for trying to help. They are all still alive. They thought this land was communal, and it had been used for a very long time as a pathway by the whole community. It seemed that the farmer had never cared about this plot of unused land till now? This isn’t the best example but I’m tying to show that this isn’t meant to incite a mass exodus for white people, not by any reasonable person.

The claim for no real danger for white people, is less that there is no danger to white people, and more that there is great danger directed across races in South Africa. Apparently the statistics the documentary is based off of is from afriforjm, which used stats that included all races for farm attacks, and then claimed it was all only white people.

Edit: look at the upvotes comment by u/welsinki on this https://www.reddit.com/r/southafrica/comments/859jmx/a_new_documentary_being_shared_about_our_country/?st=JEWVD12J&sh=8742e4a2

This really clears things up. I hope it helps

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Yup

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Holy shit.
You know at first you think it's part of a huge practical joke...but this shit actually happens. Wow.

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There's nothing liberal at providing an advantage to someone at the expense of another, particularly on the basis of an immoveable trait like race.

No matter the beneficiary, no matter the sufferer, this is pure hatred. If it's bad when blacks are the target, it's bad when the whites are, too.

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They're more marxist than liberal, though.

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Some liberals and centrists (more than makes me comfortable) don't seem to understand that though... the perfect example of a supposed "liberal/centrist" in the US who panders to marxists/SJWs & ignores liberal values is Howard Dean. This talk at Kenyon College w/ Steven Pinker & Heather MacDonald is so amazing to watch; Dean was intellectually dishonest throughout the whole discussion. He reminds me of all the well-off, white liberals I meet in LA who hold these illiberal beliefs or panders to the social justice movements yet call themselves moderates or centrists.

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Apparently it's not good enough to treat all people equally and give them equal opportunities through the law. Apparently white people need to atone for their historical wrongdoings against POC by handing society over to them and prostrating ourselves in anguish and wailing over the wrongdoings of our ancestors. It's a suicidal thought process that will harm society as a whole and prevents any sort of reconciliation between the groups.

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Uhh not sure I agree with your first paragraph but I agree on the 2nd. However my point is that people with this hatred against whites in this case are left leaning. Not all lefts, but some. Just like how people accuse right wing of being racist to minorities, some are, but the rest aren't.

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In the US, people called liberals aren't really liberals very often. Liberism refers to an ideology that basically leaves people to their own devices, with the exception of a few laws protecting human and civil rights.

Those who would back something like this are not liberal.

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Yes however here we split into Liberal and Republican and for whatever reason they identify as liberal and and "changing the definition". Words here tend to change definition by actions vs actual original definition.

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You mean Liberal and Conservative or Democrat and Republican.

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It amazes me how many people cannot make these distinctions.

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Here in Canada it's literally the Liberal Party vs the Conservative Party. We have no Dems / Reps.

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I don’t think it’s necessarily left and right. I prefer having two axes. Liberal-Conservative, and then Libertarian-Authoritarian. Much more specific and helps to not glom people into categories of that they don’t necessarily agree with.

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oooh you should try the Australia booster pack. In our country, the Liberals (currently in power) are actually conservative!

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At this point there are more lefties that want to get rid of the white race entirely than there are right wingers that want white supremacy. And at least the right doesn't control our universities and education system as a whole for the purpose of indoctrinating kids.

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There's nothing liberal at providing an advantage to someone at the expense of another, particularly on the basis of an immoveable trait like race.

Sure in name but in practicality that isn't true.

Influential liberals do agree at providing an advantage to someone at the expense of another. They just won't admit it.

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Karma for the slave trade, thats pretty funny considering it was the blacks who enslaved their own kind and sold them off. Also currently there's plenty of slavery left especially in Africa, with no whites around.

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Not just plenty. Actually there are more slaves today than there ever were at any one time in the United States. The majority of those slaves being Africans enslaved by Africans.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/12/slaverys-global-comeback/266354/

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it's the idea of equity over equality but i dont think that translates well in these semi-westernized countries.

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The current mind set of the "far left" bears a disturbing resemblance to the Nazis of the past, and they appear to be employing similar tactics as well. Except this time it is the Europeans, and peoples of European descent who are the targets

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Nazis targeted Europeans mainly too. Jews and slavs were their primary targets.

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I would say the Alt Right and other far right groups bear a slightly greater resemblance to the Nazis, don't ya think??

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No, they've convinced themselves that the real racists are the people who notice them being racist. If that sounds like complete nonsense, bear in mind that it's logic racists came up with.

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they're here from /pol/ to spread propaganda and white supremacist talking points

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Whats new aye

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Well it is something that they are saying not to post racism. Respecting the reddit tos because they think the contents of the doc are more important than being a trolling asshole.

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Respecting the reddit tos because they think the contents of the doc are more important than being a trolling asshole being banned and having all you comments removed does not make for a successful brigade.

FTFY. This is still a form of trolling

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When the far right start dressing up in black masks and shutting down moderate speakers, maybe we can talk

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I’ve seen this argument a lot and the specious thing about it is that while antifa define themselves in terms of being against racists and fascists, the alt-right is not defined in terms of their political opposition in the same way.

They’re not attacking liberals at marches, because liberals aren’t their main target - they’re busy enough attacking minorities trying to go about their own lives. Racists find plenty enough uses for black masks outside of marches.

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Sorry did The Daily Stormer misprint when it said it is pro-genocide? This thread has clearly attracted some fucking idiots.

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I dont really see the alt right violently gathering to promote socialism and shut down speech of people they dont agree with. that being said, the alt right is a cancer that also needs to be excised, but they're more internet trolls. weird that we have the nationalists and socialists on opposite ends but both creating problems

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One protest that wasnt violent except for one incident vs MANY protests that end in firebombings, rioting, looting, and millions of dollars in damages. Sure the white supremacists are racist sacks of human garbage, but theyre mostly neutered as opposed to the horrific communists who take "social justice" into their own hands and violently deplatform speakers they disagree with. Like i said in a different comment: the alt right had the racial/nationalist aspect and the violent left has the socialist aspect. Both are disgusting, both resemble nazis, both need to be ejected. The polarity in this country that feels the need to justify GENOCIDE in the name of equity is disgusting, and if you cant see that, YOURE disgusting. Tiki torch nazis should all get TB, but that doesnt make the people who violently oppose them and cast those they disagree with into the same camp in the right. Not ever.

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I dont really see the alt right violently gathering to ... shut down speech of people they dont agree with.

Do you have a kid in HS in the US? I do and there was an alt-right threat over protests that forced our county to send more polices officers to the school. Shutting down the speech of those kids is exactly what the alt-right was doing and they started threatening violence to do it.

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the whites in south africa tried to appeal to canada for help, who then called them racist. the EU refused to talk about it.

australia recently stated it's going to consider a fast-track visa program for the whites. naturally it was met with virulent accusations of "racism!" from the far left all over the west.

all this is emboldening the far right even more, giving them total proof that progressives in the west support persecution of whites.

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the whites in south africa tried to appeal to canada for help, who then called them racist.

This is a complete misrepresentation of that case. First, 'the whites' refers to just one family. They were not eligible to live in Canada as refugees as they do not meet the criteria. Moreover, they were chastised for using some material created by an Afrikaner white supremacist group as 'evidence' for their case - they weren't called racist (although it's quite probable that they are).

progressives in the west support persecution of whites.

Only a complete fuckwit would buy into this theory.

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as someone who has been watching progressive behavior from the outside for a long time, after being a part of it for a few years, yes, this is true. racism and discrimination against whites is ultimately permitted within social justice and far Left government entities and institutions. it's justified as retribution for slavery and european imperialsm.

they're smarter than to come out and say it directly, but that's beginning to happen more and more.

i understand most progressives don't completely believe that, but the ones who do are the leaders, the mouthpieces and the educators. they are also, ultimately, unopposed from within by those who'd disagree out of fear of coercion and becoming pariahs.

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Um, "Australia" didn't say it, the racist Minister of Home Affairs, Peter Dutton, said it. "Dutton said Australia has visa, refugee and humanitarian programmes which have the "potential to help some of these people" and his department is looking into it "because from what I have seen they do need help from a civilised country like ours".

https://mg.co.za/article/2018-03-15-why-australia-is-saving-white-farmers-from-african-gangs

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American white supremacy has so thoroughly poisoned the conversation that any portrayal of white people as victims is judged to be racist.

IMO, black South Africans are eagerly exploiting this myopia. They know nobody is coming to help the whites.

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If they want to kneecap themselves by removing white Kulaks from their land, then it's fine by me. Just don't ask me later to donate to them because they're starving. Fuck them.

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This article analyzes the theory on the genocide of White South Africans https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/ South Africa has never been so safe for whites and there is no evidence white farmers are killed at an higher rate than non-white farmers.

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the left has made an (imo awful) strategic decision to move away from representing the working class, and move towards becoming the party of political correctness and identity politics

this ideology is based on a number of intellectually dishonest axioms, among them that white men hold a special type of power systemic to the inner workings of the world and society that must be subverted

what's happening in South Africa is not friendly to this narrative, so it must be demonized and pushed to the margins. This new left (I say new because it's particularly bad now on a micro level, but on a macro level it echoes throughout history --- this is what the left looks like when it goes wrong) ideology does not have strength of substance, so it must rely on strength of rhetoric. That means controlling the public consciousness by straw manning arguments, "racist, sexist, nazi, alt-right" and so on.

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the left has made an (imo awful) strategic decision to move away from representing the working class, and move towards becoming the party of political correctness and identity politics

And that is exactly how Trump broke the blue wall and won the presidency and also why he would get re-elected.

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Yep- the Left hasn’t learn anything from 2016.

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the left has made an (imo awful) strategic decision to move away from representing the working class, and move towards becoming the party of political correctness and identity politics

Herbert Marcuse would be an interesting person for you to look up.

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Because the creator of this video project, Jonas Nilsson, is a far-right activist.

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Great point, I am sure that is why he is labled far-right, because he opposes genocide /s

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What genocide? Do you understand the word or does using it make you feel special?

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Opposing genocide does not make you far right, I'm a liberal person and I think the events in South Africa are an outrage.

Associations to neonazi circles and promoting a variety of fascism just might make people associate you with the far right, though.

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The far left (or at least substantial portions of it) are literally anti-white.
They also make it a moral issue where if you don't agree with them, you're equal to Hitler, and therefore you get called far-right.

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You have to go pretty far into la-la land left to get that. Just about as far as you have to go right to get into white nationalism. If you walk far enough from the center in any direction you get to crazy town. It doesn't invalidate any particular view.

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Not as far as you'd like to think. The Maoist-backed radical left of the 70s--SDS and their terrorist Weather Underground cell, in particular--developed a certain fetish for minorities; in their mind, whites were inherently bourgeoisie oppressors, and thus specifically needed to be overthrown. When the FBI finally busted them, a lot of the members managed to weasel their way out of any real punishment, rebranded themselves 'political activists', and secured cushy jobs in academia and the judicial. It's from them that the shrill cries of 'white privilege' and 'cisheteronormativite oppression' originate, the formation of segregated 'safe space' sections of campuses where whites are not allowed, and so forth.

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The weird thing is when you say far right you can be describing either libertarians, white nationalists, or the more rare white supremacists. I mean Richard Spencer is a white nationalist but he also advocates for nationalized healthcare. That is definitely a limitation in the use of the term "far right", seeing as that is a massive ideological difference. Far left seems less ambiguous to me.

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I don't know, what is "far left"? Marxism? Leninism?

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Basically yeah. I mean even people who advocate for things like UBI still fundamentally accept a certain amount of legitimacy of private property and the need for the market process, I basically consider that centre-left today (even though a few decades ago it might have been considered far left). Where the centre-left UBI people really lose me though is their total devotion to state regulation as opposed to strengthening traditional forms of common law regulation (tort and contract law). Common Law is much less corruptible IMO and it also could be improved through the introduction of transferable-tort claims, which would make damage claims marketable so that poor & middle class people wouldn't need to front the money for lawyers to seek compensation. Also centre-left people are too quick to look to the Federal government to solve problems that would more effectively be handled at a more local level.

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I would say Op doesn't really know what they're talking about at all. As a leftist, you see "fuck white people" talk start right around liberals (who would be argued to not be true leftists by anyone who is actually far left.) The actual far left would definitely include both groups. The extreme ends of the groups you mentioned are called tankies and they're apologists for the mass violence committed by leftist regimes, and a lot of the time they're less concerned with race politcs and far more concerned with the application of gulags for political enemies. IME, negative sentiments toward white people start far less extreme than one would intuitively think.

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I think this is a good point. Richard Spencer makes pretty clear he doesn't consider himself a conservative.

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You have to go pretty far into la-la land left to get that.

Not really no. Here in Canada White people are straight up held to a different legal standard than people of color; it's written into law. We have Social Justice Tribunals where you get no legal defense and no appeal process. Any "offensive speech" can be deemed hate speech. Misgendering someone by failing to abide by their gender pronouns of choice can result in fines and possible jailtime.

This is the reality in which I live. There's nothing "la-la-land" about this. It's already here. It's reality.

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You're blatantly spreading bullshit far right misinformation about Canada, either you fell for it by the likes of Peterson or you're willfully bein complicit.

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In addition, the far-left base most on the sins of our fathers, many use anecdotes and subjective thinking in addition to comparing people with other people often out of context. I saw this video of a south marican who said he was a nationalist (he also wore an armband when he felt like it, often inside the house). The reporter compared him to Hitler and jumped stright to the "you know X million Jews were killed right?", "you know Hitler was a nationalist right?". The poor guy was ridiculed for being a nationalist. I mean Hitler was Christian, that makes every Christian basically Hitler right? They cherry pick and just referr to the past. We are not the sins of our fathers, if ones grandfather owned slaves it dosen't mean that his grandchildren or children did the same or thought the same. It's Toxic.

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Thats not true, Hitler was a fan of Islam and complained om many occassions that he has been saddled with a meek religion like christianity rather than something that would be easier to use for his goals.

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The language has been deluded. Today, if you're not far-left, you are alt-right. It's very binary and odd. You think you're safe because you're a left-leaning centrist? That's cute. If you're not for the complete destruction of society to bring forth an anarchistic Utopia then you're literally Hitler

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Because other so called liberals are really just racists wanting white genocide by political measures. A modern day liberal takes a traditional conservative and classical liberal and calls them far-right, usually to discredit them before they have even opened their mouths.

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If you care about white people you are a racist obviously. /s

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Because liberals have a tendency of labeling anyone who disagrees as “far right”. It only looks far right because the left has gone so far left

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Exactly. When someone was labeled as racist 3 years ago, I thought of the KKK. Now when they say someone's racist I think "huh, he probably said he'd rather hire someone based off of their qualifications."

Same thing with rapist too now. When people used to say "he's a rapist" I thought of... Someone who actually rapes people. Now I just figure she probably regrets making out with someone. We are losing our ability to communicate and that's not good.

College is a hell of a drug.

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Not wanting white people killed is viewed as a far right view by most of reddit.

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The "left" does not want to redefine the word "racism" after they spent the last 10 years academically cutting off access to whites. The closest they come to caring about "real" acts of discrimination is using Palestine as a trinket for their action groups, but they don't even care about that either anymore save for a few human rights councils & academics who will never get a spot on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, NYT,. They are preoccupied with posturing on social media. I don't have any hope for South Africa or Palestine, the people who used to care now worship the CIA and call themselves #theresistance. Lots of people are going to die for many years to come, and very few people will be left to care. Even what happened to Syria/Libya is lost in political bias. Maybe it will be cyclical and people will come back around to caring about those who actually suffer, but I just don't see it in this current climate. I think what is actually cyclical is people's willingness to follow the same policy leaders that led people into these nightmare scenarios. /cynical

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This has been going on in South Africa since apartheid ended but only recently politicized in other countries to further specific ideologies.

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Be careful about videos like this one, there is a lot of truth to this video, and that is what pulls you in. I would advise you to consider the other side of the argument, even if in the end you find it is wrong. This "documentary" does not include the other side at all, there is not one black person in the entire film. There is no discourse or discussion here.

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the other side of the story is the popular narrative though. Everyone knows about white privilege, and systemic racism, and so on. I'd agree with you in general, but right now the situation is a single ideology holds too much power over the popular consciousness, such that it has become lazy and intellectually dishonest.

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Imagine saying this in the context of the holocaust? When a genocide is being committed, there is no "other side".