r/Documentaries Mar 17 '18

South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA
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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

Why does this get associated with the far-right?

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u/Spitfire_Akagi Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

Liberal people tend to be more about "POC" and giving them advantages over whites, so if there's a case where white people are being persecuted or attacked many will write it off as karma for the slave trade or things like that. Especially liberals around the college age. Not saying all liberals, but out of the political groups who are in support of the genocide, liberals have the most.

I mean we literally had bridges to campus at I think Stanford blocked off by "POC" not allowing white people to cross, and the mostly liberal staff did nothing about it and punished no one.

EDIT: I stand corrected, it was UC Berkeley. I was thinking Stanford from "Disrupting Whiteness" club. Stanford also started a anthropology class called "White Identity Politics" which is reported to cover "How is a concept like white identity to be understood in relation to white nationalism, white supremacy, white privilege and whiteness?" As well as "Students will consider the perils and possibilities of different political practices, including abolishing whiteness or coming to terms with white identity.".

EDIT: THE GUY ABOVE ME CHANGED HIS COMMENT ENTIRELY, NOT SURE HOW TO LOOK UP THE OLD ONE.

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u/robexib Mar 18 '18

There's nothing liberal at providing an advantage to someone at the expense of another, particularly on the basis of an immoveable trait like race.

No matter the beneficiary, no matter the sufferer, this is pure hatred. If it's bad when blacks are the target, it's bad when the whites are, too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Dec 22 '19

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u/robexib Mar 18 '18

They're more marxist than liberal, though.

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u/lexi2706 Mar 18 '18

Some liberals and centrists (more than makes me comfortable) don't seem to understand that though... the perfect example of a supposed "liberal/centrist" in the US who panders to marxists/SJWs & ignores liberal values is Howard Dean. This talk at Kenyon College w/ Steven Pinker & Heather MacDonald is so amazing to watch; Dean was intellectually dishonest throughout the whole discussion. He reminds me of all the well-off, white liberals I meet in LA who hold these illiberal beliefs or panders to the social justice movements yet call themselves moderates or centrists.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

I would bet my life savings that you wouldn't be able to provide a basic definition of Marxism without constantly tabbing to wikipedia.

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u/EddieFender Mar 18 '18

Marxism is when liberals are SJWs. The more SJWs involved, the more Marxist the organization.

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u/robexib Mar 18 '18

Marxism is a collectivist ideology. It's an attempt to equalise status for its intended group, usually by force.

Now, explain to me how VLM isn't precisely that?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

Marxism is an analysis of 19th century capitalism, an economic theory, and a school of historiography. The most common misconception, which you just repeated, is that Marxism is a political program. Marx wrote almost nothing on the subject.

The basic idea of Marxism is that human history is a history of class struggle. Groups with opposed interests fighting for political supremacy: barons and serfs, slaves and aristocrats, and proletarians and bourgeoisie. The fighting classes are defined by the economic means of society. The political dimension is that Marx believed capitalism would create class dynamics which would empower the proletarians to overthrow the bourgeoisie and govern the world in their own interests. I don't see much relation to black lives matter so far.

By the way, it's not hard to see someone as an individual and also recognise that they're part of an economic class with different interests than yourself.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/robexib Mar 18 '18

It's not communist scare, though. They want forced redistribution of power and wealth, in their favour.

How is Marxism not that?

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u/svoodie2 Mar 18 '18

Fuck off. Idpol is liberal bullshit and any serious Marxist will tell you the same.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

Apparently it's not good enough to treat all people equally and give them equal opportunities through the law. Apparently white people need to atone for their historical wrongdoings against POC by handing society over to them and prostrating ourselves in anguish and wailing over the wrongdoings of our ancestors. It's a suicidal thought process that will harm society as a whole and prevents any sort of reconciliation between the groups.

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u/IdiocracyIsProphecy Mar 18 '18

hmmm... that kind of logic is not welcome here. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

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u/souprize Mar 18 '18

Lol my ass.

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u/fifibuci Mar 18 '18

Justice is not retribution (fringe elements and fake news aside).

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u/AtomicFlx Mar 18 '18

Uh, no Black Lives Matter was about police murdering black people, it was/is about police abuse, not "retribution", whatever that means.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

She has <2k twitter followers lol. Definitely an important leader.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

I deny that you can define what BLM 'is about' by the statements of one tiny little regional organiser with less twitter followers than me. Shaun King and DeRay Mckesson have almost a million twitter followers each, and they don't want to disinherit white people, yet you want to define the movement by this nobody in Louisville. Why is that?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

So you're claiming that their lack of denouncement of this nobody is tacit endorsement?

You people are impossible. Blinded by your racism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

I’m black too

I don't believe you

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u/nahuatlwatuwaddle Mar 18 '18

Wow, yes, infantilize the minorities by giving them free stuff, genius.

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u/Phitron Mar 18 '18

This highlights one of the failures of BLM. BLM lacked strong conscientious leadership, which lead to anybody getting on the podium to spew their bullshit. One BLM group's demands would be completely different from another BLM group's demands. So, it's important to note as well that Channelle Helm is not a spokeperson for BLM. It had no spokesperson, no leadership, nothing. It was a mess.

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u/NotVoss Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 18 '18

Every major movement in America is eventually taken over by the worst, most outspoken, members these days. The news decides to prop them up and the viewers eat it up.

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u/AtomicFlx Mar 18 '18

Lol, wow... Leoweekly, a police propaganda site is your source. You aren't even trying.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/AtomicFlx Mar 18 '18

Ok, here is your link.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking

You found one example of a crazy person on a police propaganda site. This is not indicative of the overall BLM movement. Given you also have LEO in your user name it's clear you have an agenda and are trying to paint BLM in a bad light. How about I do the same? How about I find one racist cop and say all cops are racist?

See how that works?

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u/NotVoss Mar 18 '18

Anyone who claims that the news has a liberal bias has never watched their coverage of a liberal movement. Even MSNBC try their damnedest to find the crazies and then sweep the whole thing under the rug as a bunch of headless chickens.

Maybe not at first, but the minute their ratings drop because the consumer has gotten bored of the protest.

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u/Doctor0000 Mar 18 '18

Leoweekly, the most reliable source for news about the black activists who formed out of anger of being shot by... The police.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/Doctor0000 Mar 18 '18

Leoweekly modified the list, patently. The original post still exists.

From Chanelle Helm

That post was not meant for racists. It was meant for a certain type of white people who want to be allies and accomplices. For example If you have no descendants, or you’re just making money off a piece of property because you don’t want it, why not give it to a black or brown family?

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u/JimEfrench Mar 18 '18

"Whatever that means" Gtfoh

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u/orswich Mar 18 '18

Key word is "WAS" about police murdering black people. Has now been hijacked by extremists and has strayed far from the path.

In Toronto they held the gay pride parade hostage (after they were invited as special guests) for hours to get a list of demands (more spaces for gay black teens etc.) And instantly pissed off alot of the gay community who were supportive of thier cause.

Lots of cases around Toronto of BLM just saying crazy shit like "Trudeau is a white supremacist terrorist" (Love or hate the guy, even the far right in Canada knows he aint a white supremacist). And the leader of BLM toronto staged a sit-in protest at a university to say that asking her what happened to 100k she was responsible for (she stole) was racist .

It was a great idea that like alot of movements have been derailed by the loudest idiots in the room.