r/Documentaries • u/[deleted] • Mar 17 '18

South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA
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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

Why does this get associated with the far-right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

It's dishonest. It's the equivalent of me going into the Appalachian region of America and portraying them as being representative of the state of all white people in America and that they are all oppressed because Obama is the president and because America has affirmative action. It's just as dishonest as using a photo of dog attack victims and claiming they were victims of farm attacks.

The people behind the documentary are known neo Nazis and white supremacists who are part of the global white supremacist movement. They currently have a campaign going on targeting South Africa.

The people featured in the documentary are also known white supremacists and white separatists who choose to live separate) from other South Africans. Volksteun is a Front National project. They weren't forced to live the way they do and their ideology is still the same as what they had during Apartheid. There' a long list of far right white separatist and neo Nazi groups in South Africa that have been active since Apartheid: AWB, Front National, Die Suidlanders, Boere Beskermings Forum, Geloftevolk Republikeine, die Verkenners etc.

It's not an honest portrayal of either poverty in the white community or of poverty in South African in general.

In South Africa today uneducated whites still earn more than university educated blacks.

At top management level, 68.5% of positions are occupied by white South Africans which is more than six times their economically active population

Most whites in SA still earn 6 times more than blacks

Whites have the lowest unemployment of all racial groups, lower than most European countries.

White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

In 2016, 71 people were murdered on farms. This includes all people, irrespective of race, whether they owned the farms, were employed on the farms, or just passing through. It also includes smallholdings, which are mostly inhabited by black people and far more numerous than the large farms owned by white South Africans. 810,000 people in South Africa work on farms. Note that the vast majority of these people are black. That's a murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000. This is more than 3 times lower than the general murder rate of 34.4 per 100,000 - and we're not even talking about white farmers, we're talking about every single person who was killed on a farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Dan Kriek, the president of Agri SA, the country's largest and most influential agricultural organisation, has debunked Afriforum's whitewashed statistics.

Crime doesn't recognise colour. For example, in the Free State we have had 58 farm attacks this year with four murders: two black and two white. We need to be honest about (crime) statistics and not only use it when it suits us.

The fake "white genocide" narrative relies on statistics from Afriforum that originate with the Transvaal Agricultural Union who don't split victims by race, yet right-wing news outlets take them and say that they were all white.

Just a few days ago a black-owned farm was attcked and burned down but the internet was abuzz with white genocide claims relating to it.

Farm murders of all races have been declining for the last 20 years and are half what they were 20 years ago.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

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u/WithFullForce Mar 18 '18

I knew there was something fishy when I saw the text "by the concerned Swedish Public". Like what? I'm concerned?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

White supremacists are really unfair to you Swedes. Somehow you are both the perfect keepers of white goodness and cucked weaklings helping the inferior races infiltrate Europe at the same time.

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u/WithFullForce Mar 18 '18

I don't expect objective or intelligent treatment from <insert color here> supremacists.

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u/Tangerinetrooper Mar 19 '18

Then you haven't met the blue supremacists. We're totally gonna smurf you on your smurf.

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u/AntifaSarqueefian Mar 21 '18

Ancap supremacists totally makes sense though.

If it ain't Ayn Rand, it's boring and bland.

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u/redditfetishist12345 Mar 19 '18

Most of the Asian supremacists over spoken too have been very objective and intelligent. But maybe they only came off that way because I'm beneath them on the pyramid tier of intelligence .

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

Came here to say this. First red flag. Seriously, people should always be wary when Swedish white people talk about race.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

Haha excuse me but what?

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

Swedes, especially online, are often racists. Sweden is a really racist country. In b4 one of these very racist comes and loses their shit.

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u/Username_Check_Out Mar 18 '18

I literally never would’ve guessed that Sweden is racist. You guys are like 7 on human rights ratings. I just assumed you all loved everyone.

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

You might wanna look up The Sweden Democrats and our nazi problem. Lots and lots of scandals piling up. I don’t think Sweden is any different from England.

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u/Ifknloveeatingshit Mar 19 '18

I think it's fair to say your illegal invader problem is a little more thorny.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

The sweden democrats are not even that far right if you compare their views on immigration to other far right partys in the world. Sweden is just super left and has been for decades. The political climate in Sweden right now is awful with people getting called nazis left and right if they don’t agree 100% with the crazy amounts of immigrants we take in.

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

I agree with your first point but I don't think saying that Sweden has a problem with Nazis is a stretch. We do. This past summer they organized public parades almost monthly and were invited to Almedalen, probably the biggest political event in Sweden. Those are the issues I'm referring to.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

I still wouldn’t call sweden ”a really racist country”, I would argue that we are the exact opposite but sure, I can see where you’re coming from and I agree about the nazi problem.

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u/eggsssssssss Mar 18 '18

I kept upvoting and then unupvoting your comments—I get that you’re just defending swedes against a ridiculous claim, and you’re right to say that sweden isn’t a predominantly right wing country, and that its ridiculous to imply that most swedes are racists or nazis.

But neo nazis and their ilk are constantly on a campaign to gain recruits while mitigating the public backlash through denial and gaslighting. It’s happening in Europe and in America, too. So when you confront people saying shit like “white swedes are all racists”, you can’t also deny or minimize the presence of actual white supremacists unless you want to do their work for them. If you don’t mind the imposition, it’s even better to acknowledge and condemn what white supremacy there is at the same time as you correct clueless exaggerators like that.

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u/Username_Check_Out Mar 18 '18

Also interesting is (I’m looking into this now) the fact that your Democrats are racist and anti immigration and that typically the opposite of our Democrats and that’s our republicans essentially.

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

The Sweden Democrats aren’t actually democrats though. We have the same as you here as far as those definitions go. They just call themselves that. They will appear to cater to the working class because they are most likely to be frustrated.

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u/Username_Check_Out Mar 18 '18

Nazis are a thing still? Mind blown. I’m from the United States and we have huge racism issues too but i guess i was ignorant to the fact that races relation issues weren’t unique to us. I always figured it stemmed from slavery and animosity from that and the civil war.

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u/sacredblasphemies Mar 18 '18

Nazis are a thing still?

Did you miss the rally in Charlottesville last year where white nationalists, KKK, and Neo-Nazis marched with tiki torches chanting Nazi slogans?

It was kinda a big deal.

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u/Username_Check_Out Mar 18 '18

Yeah i saw that but that was fucking insanity how that was even a thing. I’ve never actually seen a nazi as i feel like they would be harassed heavily for well being a Nazi.

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

It’s the influx of immigrants from the Middle East that have caused tension (to put it mildly). A lot of people think we take in too many. But that’s not to discredit what I originally said. The racism here is horrible. I’m surprised people don’t notice this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

Sweden Democrats = Sverigedemokraterna. Social democrats = Socialdemokraterna. You misinterpreted.

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u/dutchyank Mar 18 '18

Oh yeah you're right my mistake, i thought you meant social democrats.

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u/King_Brutus Mar 18 '18

To the average idiot, a few hundred larpers at a rally of nobodies counts as a "Nazi problem".

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u/WithFullForce Mar 18 '18

No that's just you. You are making the same ridiculous claim as the documentary creators when trying to project your opinion on "the public".

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

Except this is my personal opinion and I clearly do not claim that all Swedes share it.

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u/WithFullForce Mar 18 '18

Swedes, especially online, are often racists. Sweden is a really racist country. In b4 one of these very racist comes and loses their shit.

Uh huh. Stated as fact, not opinion. With the added insinuation that disagreeing with you makes one racist.

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

"One of these" Listen, you can try and interpret my words however you want, it's no sweat off my back.

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u/WithFullForce Mar 18 '18

I call it like I see it, and gauging by the reaction you're getting so does the rest of the sub.

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

Forming your own opinion based on actual experience > Forming your opinion based on how popular it is and what you assume to be true. Have a good day!

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u/Anarchisme Mar 18 '18

If you don't like it go back to where you came from shitskin

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

Lol, I’m as white and Swedish as they come, but sure. Thank you for proving my point.

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u/Anarchisme Mar 18 '18

i'm a cuck

i'm not even swedish so whatever. your country is probably the most diversity pushing country in the entire fucking world. to say you're the most racist is ridiculous

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

I never said we are the most racist though, did I?

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u/Anarchisme Mar 18 '18

you said one of the most, you know what you mean. go to eastern or southern europe and cry about how much more 'racist' they are

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u/cherrytwizzlers Mar 18 '18

First of all, you’re not even Swedish by your own admission, and secondly, you don’t get to put words in my mouth. I am not gonna speak on other countries as I do not live there, I suggest you do the same .

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u/MoxieStormborn Mar 19 '18

Haha you sound like such an angry idiot. Good luck with that.

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u/gargoyls Mar 18 '18

Coolest monkey in the jungle lol

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u/The_Masterofbation Mar 18 '18

Anyone can talk about anything. If they're educated and have good points then that's a conversation worth having. If they're ignorant, nationalistic or racist they can be exposed.

Don't discriminate based on someone's skin color or nationality.

People from all walks of life can have valid opinions and points of view on a variety of interests.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

No, it's by the people in Sweden who are also concerned, not all the Swedish people who are all concerned.