r/Documentaries Mar 17 '18

South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA
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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

Why does this get associated with the far-right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

It's dishonest. It's the equivalent of me going into the Appalachian region of America and portraying them as being representative of the state of all white people in America and that they are all oppressed because Obama is the president and because America has affirmative action. It's just as dishonest as using a photo of dog attack victims and claiming they were victims of farm attacks.

The people behind the documentary are known neo Nazis and white supremacists who are part of the global white supremacist movement. They currently have a campaign going on targeting South Africa.

The people featured in the documentary are also known white supremacists and white separatists who choose to live separate) from other South Africans. Volksteun is a Front National project. They weren't forced to live the way they do and their ideology is still the same as what they had during Apartheid. There' a long list of far right white separatist and neo Nazi groups in South Africa that have been active since Apartheid: AWB, Front National, Die Suidlanders, Boere Beskermings Forum, Geloftevolk Republikeine, die Verkenners etc.

It's not an honest portrayal of either poverty in the white community or of poverty in South African in general.

In South Africa today uneducated whites still earn more than university educated blacks.

At top management level, 68.5% of positions are occupied by white South Africans which is more than six times their economically active population

Most whites in SA still earn 6 times more than blacks

Whites have the lowest unemployment of all racial groups, lower than most European countries.

White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

In 2016, 71 people were murdered on farms. This includes all people, irrespective of race, whether they owned the farms, were employed on the farms, or just passing through. It also includes smallholdings, which are mostly inhabited by black people and far more numerous than the large farms owned by white South Africans. 810,000 people in South Africa work on farms. Note that the vast majority of these people are black. That's a murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000. This is more than 3 times lower than the general murder rate of 34.4 per 100,000 - and we're not even talking about white farmers, we're talking about every single person who was killed on a farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Dan Kriek, the president of Agri SA, the country's largest and most influential agricultural organisation, has debunked Afriforum's whitewashed statistics.

Crime doesn't recognise colour. For example, in the Free State we have had 58 farm attacks this year with four murders: two black and two white. We need to be honest about (crime) statistics and not only use it when it suits us.

The fake "white genocide" narrative relies on statistics from Afriforum that originate with the Transvaal Agricultural Union who don't split victims by race, yet right-wing news outlets take them and say that they were all white.

Just a few days ago a black-owned farm was attcked and burned down but the internet was abuzz with white genocide claims relating to it.

Farm murders of all races have been declining for the last 20 years and are half what they were 20 years ago.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

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u/Fsypro Mar 18 '18

This is hilarious. Like any of this justifies the genocide of a people. And it is a genocide, you huffing and puffing doesn't change that.

Also fucking hilarious you are comparing a farm being burned during a riot to white farmers being specifically targeted tortured and killed. Totally in the same ballpark there buddy.

And the people you linked not only are not neo nazis, they are not the people responsible for this documentary, so not only do you look like a despicable human being for trying to justify a genocide but you are a piece of shit for making up lies about the creators in an attempt to smear the message being shared.

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u/DarkCrawler_901 Mar 18 '18

There is no way or shape the most priviledged group in a country by FAR is being genocided. Yes there are racist black South Africans, some of who murder people. Genocide would imply widespread persecution at a state level, which would be pretty strange considering how White South Africans are vastly more wealthy and prosperous then any of their fellow citizens. You are a piece of shit for trying to overinflate a problem so you can cry white persecution.

White people continued to steal black land and capital up to 1994. That is not ancient history, it is literally returning stolen property to people who it was taken from by the apartheid state.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 18 '18

Your last point is wrong. What they're trying to do in South Africa is reamend the constitution to allow for land to be expropriated from white farmers. There is no black person alive today who the land necessarily "belongs" to and theyre not making a specific effort to give it back to those people even if it did. Basically what this means is land is going to be taken from whites and given to black farmers, which does just about nothing for the impoverished, homeless black community and only makes an already rich community even richer. At best, these black farmers start producing food which white farmers might not have, but with the droughts going on that will take years before it comes right. There are better solutions out there, like sharing land amongst black and white farmers, but as it currently stands the proposal for land expropriation is bad no matter how you cut it.

There's a reason black farmers are being attacked as much as white farmers. It's because poor black people are the ones hurting the most from "stolen" farm land. Yet what the government is trying to do still wont help poor blacks, and so farmers will still be beaten, raped, and murdered en masse

Edit: To make matters worse, theyre not even returning stolen property or capital like you suggested they would. The amendment specifically only calls for land redistribution. Most of the theft that occured pre-1994 was property-based, so again this does nothing but harm the economy and race-relations.

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u/DarkCrawler_901 Mar 18 '18

White people own 70% of South African farmland. They are 10% of the population. It is a legacy of decades of exploitation and outright theft from people who are still alive, by people who are still alive.

I don't agree with the way Malema and other racist pieces of shit are going at it and I am more or less sure it will be stopped in the courts at the very least, but like on all other sectors of South African economy, the whites have the advantage and it is not fairly gained. Doesn't stop ANC from being useless and corrupt, of course.

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u/Fsypro Mar 18 '18

I didnt realize the people born 20 years ago are responsible for their ancestors exploitation. You wouldn't be justifying murder because of some form of original sin now would you? You people are actually pathetic. Öh sure a genocide is starting but their ancestors were MEAN, so its ok.

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u/rmch99 Mar 18 '18

justifying murder

He said literally nothing about murder in that comment.

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u/Fsypro Mar 18 '18

He said literally nothing about murder in that comment

That's the problem you monumental fucktard.

Yeah right cause his entire comment isn't about downplayng the atrocity of the GENOCID OF WHITE SOUTH AFRICANS. And pretending it isn't happen. I'm sorry but no ones that fucking stupid that they can convince themselves he isn't justifying the genocide.

His entire post is literally a defense of the genocide. Devoid of any context of, changing laws, compensation, or the literal government calling for the genocide of White Farmers. This is all reality, a reality he chose not to share to make it seem like the white farmers aren't being disproportionately and specifically targeted.

It's a fucking disgusting post on the level of people who buried their head in the sand over the Rwanda genocide.

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u/Fsypro Mar 18 '18

Holy fuck this is actually hilarious. Their status has nothing to do with genocide. Do you think only poor people can be murdered? Is that your shit tier justification for the wanton murder of a people? Like you realize the Kulaks were a more privileged group of people in USSR and they got genocided right? Social status is irrelevant here.

Keep justifying/denying genocide. Its a good laugh. You're on the same level as pre WW2 america who went to great lengths to justify why the war wasn't our problem. Or the rest of the world during the Rwanda genocide.

Little protip. Government officials have literally called for the murder of white people. I'd love to see the mental gymnastics to justify that one.